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Possible I’m wrong? I was going against the Distrowatch details since I was just looking at them a couple hours before I replied: [distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=ubu…](https://distrowatch.com/table-mobile.php?distribution=ubuntu)\n
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I don’t disagree with you but dude people are sick of the politicization of everything and their operating system doesn’t even get onto that radar. They are ignorant and quite happy of it. Please let the pigs eat their shit in peace.\n
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I don’t disagree with you but dude people are sick of the politicization of everything and their operating system doesn’t even get onto that radar. They are ignorant and quite happy of it. Please let the pigs eat their shit in peace.\n
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That said, it is quite telling that Microsoft apparently finds it more advantageous to have two divergent feature sets than to apply the change universally.
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I don’t disagree with you but dude people are sick of the politicization of everything and their operating system doesn’t even get onto that radar. They are ignorant and quite happy of it. Please let the pigs eat their shit in peace.\n
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Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.\n
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Literally everybody does SSH wrong. The point of host keys is to exchange them out-of-band so you know you have the right host on the first connection.\n
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And guess what certificates are.\n
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Also keep in mind that although MS and Apple both publish trusted root lists, Mozilla is also one of, if not the, biggest player. They maintain the list of what ultimately gets distributed as `ca-certificates` in pretty much every Linux distro. It’s also the source of the Python `certifi` trusted root bundle, that required by requests, and probably makes its way into every API script/bot/tool using Python (which is probably most of them).\n
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And there’s literally nothing stopping you from curating your own bundle or asking people to install your cert. And that takes care of the issue of TOFU. The idea being that somebody that accepts your certificate *trusts you* to verify that any entity using a certificate you attach your name to was properly vetted by you or your agents.\n
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You are also welcome to submit your CA to Mozilla for consideration on including it on their master list. They are very transparent about [the process](https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard).\n
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Hell, there’s also nothing stopping you from rolling a CA and using certificates for host and client verification on SSH. Thats actually preferable at-scale.\n
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A lot of major companies also use their own internal CA and bundle their own trusted root into their app or hardware (Sony does this with PlayStation, Amazon does this a lot of AWS Apps like workspaces, etc)\n
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In fact, what you are essentially suggesting is functionally *the exact same thibg* as self-signed certificates. And there’s absolutely (technically) nothing wrong with them. They are perfectly fine, and probably preferable for certain applications (like machine-to-machine communication or a closed environment) because they expire much longer than the 1yr max you can get from most public CAs. But you still aren’t *supposed* to TOFU them. That smacks right in the face of a zero-trust philosophy.\n
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The whole point of certificates is to make up for the issue of TOFU by you instead agreeing that you trust whoever maintains your root store, which is ultimately going to be either your OS or App developer. If you trust them to maintain your OS or essential app, then you should also trust them to maintain a list of companies *they trust* to properly vet their clientele.\n
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And *that* whole process is probably the number one most perfect example of properly working, applied, capitalism. The top-level CAs are *literally* selling honesty. Fucking that up has *huge* business ramifications.\n
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Not to mention, if you don’t trust Bob’s House of Certificate’s, there’s no reason you can’t entrust it from your system. And if you trust Jimbo’s Certificate Authority, you are welcome to tell your system to accept certificates they issue.
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But you only really need one to say it’s authentic. There are levels of validation that require different levels of effort. Domain Validation (DV) is the most simple and requires that you prove you own the domain, which means making a special domain record for them to validate (usually a long string that they provide over their HTTPS site), or by sending an email to the registered domain owner from their WHOIS record. Organization Validation (OV) and extended verification (EV) are the higher tiers, and usually require proof of business ownership and an in-person interview, respectively.\n
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Now, if you want to know if the site was *compromised* or *malicious*, that’s a different problem entirely. Certificates do not and cannot serve that function, and it’s wrong to place that role on CAs. That is a security and threat mitigation problem and is better solved by client-based applications, web filtering services, and next-gen firewalls, that use their own reputation databases for that.\n
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A CA is not expected to prevent me from hosting rootkits. Doesn’t matter if my domain is rootkits-are.us or totallylegitandsafe.net. It’s their job to make sure I own those domains. Nothing more. For a DV cert at least.\n
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Public key cryptography, and certificates in particular, are an amazing system. They don’t need to be scrapped because there’s a ton of misunderstanding as to its role and responsibilities.
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Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.\n
\n
Literally everybody does SSH wrong. The point of host keys is to exchange them out-of-band so you know you have the right host on the first connection.\n
\n
And guess what certificates are.\n
\n
Also keep in mind that although MS and Apple both publish trusted root lists, Mozilla is also one of, if not the, biggest player. They maintain the list of what ultimately gets distributed as `ca-certificates` in pretty much every Linux distro. It’s also the source of the Python `certifi` trusted root bundle, that required by requests, and probably makes its way into every API script/bot/tool using Python (which is probably most of them).\n
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And there’s literally nothing stopping you from curating your own bundle or asking people to install your cert. And that takes care of the issue of TOFU. The idea being that somebody that accepts your certificate *trusts you* to verify that any entity using a certificate you attach your name to was properly vetted by you or your agents.\n
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You are also welcome to submit your CA to Mozilla for consideration on including it on their master list. They are very transparent about [the process](https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard).\n
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Hell, there’s also nothing stopping you from rolling a CA and using certificates for host and client verification on SSH. Thats actually preferable at-scale.\n
\n
A lot of major companies also use their own internal CA and bundle their own trusted root into their app or hardware (Sony does this with PlayStation, Amazon does this a lot of AWS Apps like workspaces, etc)\n
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In fact, what you are essentially suggesting is functionally *the exact same thibg* as self-signed certificates. And there’s absolutely (technically) nothing wrong with them. They are perfectly fine, and probably preferable for certain applications (like machine-to-machine communication or a closed environment) because they expire much longer than the 1yr max you can get from most public CAs. But you still aren’t *supposed* to TOFU them. That smacks right in the face of a zero-trust philosophy.\n
\n
The whole point of certificates is to make up for the issue of TOFU by you instead agreeing that you trust whoever maintains your root store, which is ultimately going to be either your OS or App developer. If you trust them to maintain your OS or essential app, then you should also trust them to maintain a list of companies *they trust* to properly vet their clientele.\n
\n
And *that* whole process is probably the number one most perfect example of properly working, applied, capitalism. The top-level CAs are *literally* selling honesty. Fucking that up has *huge* business ramifications.\n
\n
Not to mention, if you don’t trust Bob’s House of Certificate’s, there’s no reason you can’t entrust it from your system. And if you trust Jimbo’s Certificate Authority, you are welcome to tell your system to accept certificates they issue.
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But you only really need one to say it’s authentic. There are levels of validation that require different levels of effort. Domain Validation (DV) is the most simple and requires that you prove you own the domain, which means making a special domain record for them to validate (usually a long string that they provide over their HTTPS site), or by sending an email to the registered domain owner from their WHOIS record. Organization Validation (OV) and extended verification (EV) are the higher tiers, and usually require proof of business ownership and an in-person interview, respectively.\n
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Now, if you want to know if the site was *compromised* or *malicious*, that’s a different problem entirely. Certificates do not and cannot serve that function, and it’s wrong to place that role on CAs. That is a security and threat mitigation problem and is better solved by client-based applications, web filtering services, and next-gen firewalls, that use their own reputation databases for that.\n
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A CA is not expected to prevent me from hosting rootkits. Doesn’t matter if my domain is rootkits-are.us or totallylegitandsafe.net. It’s their job to make sure I own those domains. Nothing more. For a DV cert at least.\n
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Public key cryptography, and certificates in particular, are an amazing system. They don’t need to be scrapped because there’s a ton of misunderstanding as to its role and responsibilities.
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Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.\n
\n
Literally everybody does SSH wrong. The point of host keys is to exchange them out-of-band so you know you have the right host on the first connection.\n
\n
And guess what certificates are.\n
\n
Also keep in mind that although MS and Apple both publish trusted root lists, Mozilla is also one of, if not the, biggest player. They maintain the list of what ultimately gets distributed as `ca-certificates` in pretty much every Linux distro. It’s also the source of the Python `certifi` trusted root bundle, that required by requests, and probably makes its way into every API script/bot/tool using Python (which is probably most of them).\n
\n
And there’s literally nothing stopping you from curating your own bundle or asking people to install your cert. And that takes care of the issue of TOFU. The idea being that somebody that accepts your certificate *trusts you* to verify that any entity using a certificate you attach your name to was properly vetted by you or your agents.\n
\n
You are also welcome to submit your CA to Mozilla for consideration on including it on their master list. They are very transparent about [the process](https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard).\n
\n
Hell, there’s also nothing stopping you from rolling a CA and using certificates for host and client verification on SSH. Thats actually preferable at-scale.\n
\n
A lot of major companies also use their own internal CA and bundle their own trusted root into their app or hardware (Sony does this with PlayStation, Amazon does this a lot of AWS Apps like workspaces, etc)\n
\n
In fact, what you are essentially suggesting is functionally *the exact same thibg* as self-signed certificates. And there’s absolutely (technically) nothing wrong with them. They are perfectly fine, and probably preferable for certain applications (like machine-to-machine communication or a closed environment) because they expire much longer than the 1yr max you can get from most public CAs. But you still aren’t *supposed* to TOFU them. That smacks right in the face of a zero-trust philosophy.\n
\n
The whole point of certificates is to make up for the issue of TOFU by you instead agreeing that you trust whoever maintains your root store, which is ultimately going to be either your OS or App developer. If you trust them to maintain your OS or essential app, then you should also trust them to maintain a list of companies *they trust* to properly vet their clientele.\n
\n
And *that* whole process is probably the number one most perfect example of properly working, applied, capitalism. The top-level CAs are *literally* selling honesty. Fucking that up has *huge* business ramifications.\n
\n
Not to mention, if you don’t trust Bob’s House of Certificate’s, there’s no reason you can’t entrust it from your system. And if you trust Jimbo’s Certificate Authority, you are welcome to tell your system to accept certificates they issue.
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But you only really need one to say it’s authentic. There are levels of validation that require different levels of effort. Domain Validation (DV) is the most simple and requires that you prove you own the domain, which means making a special domain record for them to validate (usually a long string that they provide over their HTTPS site), or by sending an email to the registered domain owner from their WHOIS record. Organization Validation (OV) and extended verification (EV) are the higher tiers, and usually require proof of business ownership and an in-person interview, respectively.\n
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Now, if you want to know if the site was *compromised* or *malicious*, that’s a different problem entirely. Certificates do not and cannot serve that function, and it’s wrong to place that role on CAs. That is a security and threat mitigation problem and is better solved by client-based applications, web filtering services, and next-gen firewalls, that use their own reputation databases for that.\n
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A CA is not expected to prevent me from hosting rootkits. Doesn’t matter if my domain is rootkits-are.us or totallylegitandsafe.net. It’s their job to make sure I own those domains. Nothing more. For a DV cert at least.\n
\n
Public key cryptography, and certificates in particular, are an amazing system. They don’t need to be scrapped because there’s a ton of misunderstanding as to its role and responsibilities.
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But you only really need one to say it’s authentic. There are levels of validation that require different levels of effort. Domain Validation (DV) is the most simple and requires that you prove you own the domain, which means making a special domain record for them to validate (usually a long string that they provide over their HTTPS site), or by sending an email to the registered domain owner from their WHOIS record. Organization Validation (OV) and extended verification (EV) are the higher tiers, and usually require proof of business ownership and an in-person interview, respectively.\n
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Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.\n
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And guess what certificates are.\n
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And there’s literally nothing stopping you from curating your own bundle or asking people to install your cert. And that takes care of the issue of TOFU. The idea being that somebody that accepts your certificate *trusts you* to verify that any entity using a certificate you attach your name to was properly vetted by you or your agents.\n
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You are also welcome to submit your CA to Mozilla for consideration on including it on their master list. They are very transparent about [the process](https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard).\n
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Hell, there’s also nothing stopping you from rolling a CA and using certificates for host and client verification on SSH. Thats actually preferable at-scale.\n
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Not to mention, if you don’t trust Bob’s House of Certificate’s, there’s no reason you can’t entrust it from your system. And if you trust Jimbo’s Certificate Authority, you are welcome to tell your system to accept certificates they issue.
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But you only really need one to say it’s authentic. There are levels of validation that require different levels of effort. Domain Validation (DV) is the most simple and requires that you prove you own the domain, which means making a special domain record for them to validate (usually a long string that they provide over their HTTPS site), or by sending an email to the registered domain owner from their WHOIS record. Organization Validation (OV) and extended verification (EV) are the higher tiers, and usually require proof of business ownership and an in-person interview, respectively.\n
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Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.\n
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Literally everybody does SSH wrong. The point of host keys is to exchange them out-of-band so you know you have the right host on the first connection.\n
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And guess what certificates are.\n
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And there’s literally nothing stopping you from curating your own bundle or asking people to install your cert. And that takes care of the issue of TOFU. The idea being that somebody that accepts your certificate *trusts you* to verify that any entity using a certificate you attach your name to was properly vetted by you or your agents.\n
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You are also welcome to submit your CA to Mozilla for consideration on including it on their master list. They are very transparent about [the process](https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard).\n
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Hell, there’s also nothing stopping you from rolling a CA and using certificates for host and client verification on SSH. Thats actually preferable at-scale.\n
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In fact, what you are essentially suggesting is functionally *the exact same thibg* as self-signed certificates. And there’s absolutely (technically) nothing wrong with them. They are perfectly fine, and probably preferable for certain applications (like machine-to-machine communication or a closed environment) because they expire much longer than the 1yr max you can get from most public CAs. But you still aren’t *supposed* to TOFU them. That smacks right in the face of a zero-trust philosophy.\n
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\n
And *that* whole process is probably the number one most perfect example of properly working, applied, capitalism. The top-level CAs are *literally* selling honesty. Fucking that up has *huge* business ramifications.\n
\n
Not to mention, if you don’t trust Bob’s House of Certificate’s, there’s no reason you can’t entrust it from your system. And if you trust Jimbo’s Certificate Authority, you are welcome to tell your system to accept certificates they issue.
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But you only really need one to say it’s authentic. There are levels of validation that require different levels of effort. Domain Validation (DV) is the most simple and requires that you prove you own the domain, which means making a special domain record for them to validate (usually a long string that they provide over their HTTPS site), or by sending an email to the registered domain owner from their WHOIS record. Organization Validation (OV) and extended verification (EV) are the higher tiers, and usually require proof of business ownership and an in-person interview, respectively.\n
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Now, if you want to know if the site was *compromised* or *malicious*, that’s a different problem entirely. Certificates do not and cannot serve that function, and it’s wrong to place that role on CAs. That is a security and threat mitigation problem and is better solved by client-based applications, web filtering services, and next-gen firewalls, that use their own reputation databases for that.\n
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A CA is not expected to prevent me from hosting rootkits. Doesn’t matter if my domain is rootkits-are.us or totallylegitandsafe.net. It’s their job to make sure I own those domains. Nothing more. For a DV cert at least.\n
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Public key cryptography, and certificates in particular, are an amazing system. They don’t need to be scrapped because there’s a ton of misunderstanding as to its role and responsibilities.
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Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.\n
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Literally everybody does SSH wrong. The point of host keys is to exchange them out-of-band so you know you have the right host on the first connection.\n
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And guess what certificates are.\n
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Also keep in mind that although MS and Apple both publish trusted root lists, Mozilla is also one of, if not the, biggest player. They maintain the list of what ultimately gets distributed as `ca-certificates` in pretty much every Linux distro. It’s also the source of the Python `certifi` trusted root bundle, that required by requests, and probably makes its way into every API script/bot/tool using Python (which is probably most of them).\n
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And there’s literally nothing stopping you from curating your own bundle or asking people to install your cert. And that takes care of the issue of TOFU. The idea being that somebody that accepts your certificate *trusts you* to verify that any entity using a certificate you attach your name to was properly vetted by you or your agents.\n
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You are also welcome to submit your CA to Mozilla for consideration on including it on their master list. They are very transparent about [the process](https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard).\n
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Hell, there’s also nothing stopping you from rolling a CA and using certificates for host and client verification on SSH. Thats actually preferable at-scale.\n
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A lot of major companies also use their own internal CA and bundle their own trusted root into their app or hardware (Sony does this with PlayStation, Amazon does this a lot of AWS Apps like workspaces, etc)\n
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In fact, what you are essentially suggesting is functionally *the exact same thibg* as self-signed certificates. And there’s absolutely (technically) nothing wrong with them. They are perfectly fine, and probably preferable for certain applications (like machine-to-machine communication or a closed environment) because they expire much longer than the 1yr max you can get from most public CAs. But you still aren’t *supposed* to TOFU them. That smacks right in the face of a zero-trust philosophy.\n
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The whole point of certificates is to make up for the issue of TOFU by you instead agreeing that you trust whoever maintains your root store, which is ultimately going to be either your OS or App developer. If you trust them to maintain your OS or essential app, then you should also trust them to maintain a list of companies *they trust* to properly vet their clientele.\n
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And *that* whole process is probably the number one most perfect example of properly working, applied, capitalism. The top-level CAs are *literally* selling honesty. Fucking that up has *huge* business ramifications.\n
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Not to mention, if you don’t trust Bob’s House of Certificate’s, there’s no reason you can’t entrust it from your system. And if you trust Jimbo’s Certificate Authority, you are welcome to tell your system to accept certificates they issue.
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Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.\n
\n
Literally everybody does SSH wrong. The point of host keys is to exchange them out-of-band so you know you have the right host on the first connection.\n
\n
And guess what certificates are.\n
\n
Also keep in mind that although MS and Apple both publish trusted root lists, Mozilla is also one of, if not the, biggest player. They maintain the list of what ultimately gets distributed as `ca-certificates` in pretty much every Linux distro. It’s also the source of the Python `certifi` trusted root bundle, that required by requests, and probably makes its way into every API script/bot/tool using Python (which is probably most of them).\n
\n
And there’s literally nothing stopping you from curating your own bundle or asking people to install your cert. And that takes care of the issue of TOFU. The idea being that somebody that accepts your certificate *trusts you* to verify that any entity using a certificate you attach your name to was properly vetted by you or your agents.\n
\n
You are also welcome to submit your CA to Mozilla for consideration on including it on their master list. They are very transparent about [the process](https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard).\n
\n
Hell, there’s also nothing stopping you from rolling a CA and using certificates for host and client verification on SSH. Thats actually preferable at-scale.\n
\n
A lot of major companies also use their own internal CA and bundle their own trusted root into their app or hardware (Sony does this with PlayStation, Amazon does this a lot of AWS Apps like workspaces, etc)\n
\n
In fact, what you are essentially suggesting is functionally *the exact same thibg* as self-signed certificates. And there’s absolutely (technically) nothing wrong with them. They are perfectly fine, and probably preferable for certain applications (like machine-to-machine communication or a closed environment) because they expire much longer than the 1yr max you can get from most public CAs. But you still aren’t *supposed* to TOFU them. That smacks right in the face of a zero-trust philosophy.\n
\n
The whole point of certificates is to make up for the issue of TOFU by you instead agreeing that you trust whoever maintains your root store, which is ultimately going to be either your OS or App developer. If you trust them to maintain your OS or essential app, then you should also trust them to maintain a list of companies *they trust* to properly vet their clientele.\n
\n
And *that* whole process is probably the number one most perfect example of properly working, applied, capitalism. The top-level CAs are *literally* selling honesty. Fucking that up has *huge* business ramifications.\n
\n
Not to mention, if you don’t trust Bob’s House of Certificate’s, there’s no reason you can’t entrust it from your system. And if you trust Jimbo’s Certificate Authority, you are welcome to tell your system to accept certificates they issue.
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But you only really need one to say it’s authentic. There are levels of validation that require different levels of effort. Domain Validation (DV) is the most simple and requires that you prove you own the domain, which means making a special domain record for them to validate (usually a long string that they provide over their HTTPS site), or by sending an email to the registered domain owner from their WHOIS record. Organization Validation (OV) and extended verification (EV) are the higher tiers, and usually require proof of business ownership and an in-person interview, respectively.\n
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Now, if you want to know if the site was *compromised* or *malicious*, that’s a different problem entirely. Certificates do not and cannot serve that function, and it’s wrong to place that role on CAs. That is a security and threat mitigation problem and is better solved by client-based applications, web filtering services, and next-gen firewalls, that use their own reputation databases for that.\n
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A CA is not expected to prevent me from hosting rootkits. Doesn’t matter if my domain is rootkits-are.us or totallylegitandsafe.net. It’s their job to make sure I own those domains. Nothing more. For a DV cert at least.\n
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Public key cryptography, and certificates in particular, are an amazing system. They don’t need to be scrapped because there’s a ton of misunderstanding as to its role and responsibilities.
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Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.\n
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Literally everybody does SSH wrong. The point of host keys is to exchange them out-of-band so you know you have the right host on the first connection.\n
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And guess what certificates are.\n
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Also keep in mind that although MS and Apple both publish trusted root lists, Mozilla is also one of, if not the, biggest player. They maintain the list of what ultimately gets distributed as `ca-certificates` in pretty much every Linux distro. It’s also the source of the Python `certifi` trusted root bundle, that required by requests, and probably makes its way into every API script/bot/tool using Python (which is probably most of them).\n
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And there’s literally nothing stopping you from curating your own bundle or asking people to install your cert. And that takes care of the issue of TOFU. The idea being that somebody that accepts your certificate *trusts you* to verify that any entity using a certificate you attach your name to was properly vetted by you or your agents.\n
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You are also welcome to submit your CA to Mozilla for consideration on including it on their master list. They are very transparent about [the process](https://wiki.mozilla.org/CA/Dashboard).\n
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Hell, there’s also nothing stopping you from rolling a CA and using certificates for host and client verification on SSH. Thats actually preferable at-scale.\n
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A lot of major companies also use their own internal CA and bundle their own trusted root into their app or hardware (Sony does this with PlayStation, Amazon does this a lot of AWS Apps like workspaces, etc)\n
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In fact, what you are essentially suggesting is functionally *the exact same thibg* as self-signed certificates. And there’s absolutely (technically) nothing wrong with them. They are perfectly fine, and probably preferable for certain applications (like machine-to-machine communication or a closed environment) because they expire much longer than the 1yr max you can get from most public CAs. But you still aren’t *supposed* to TOFU them. That smacks right in the face of a zero-trust philosophy.\n
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And *that* whole process is probably the number one most perfect example of properly working, applied, capitalism. The top-level CAs are *literally* selling honesty. Fucking that up has *huge* business ramifications.\n
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Not to mention, if you don’t trust Bob’s House of Certificate’s, there’s no reason you can’t entrust it from your system. And if you trust Jimbo’s Certificate Authority, you are welcome to tell your system to accept certificates they issue.
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But you only really need one to say it’s authentic. There are levels of validation that require different levels of effort. Domain Validation (DV) is the most simple and requires that you prove you own the domain, which means making a special domain record for them to validate (usually a long string that they provide over their HTTPS site), or by sending an email to the registered domain owner from their WHOIS record. Organization Validation (OV) and extended verification (EV) are the higher tiers, and usually require proof of business ownership and an in-person interview, respectively.\n
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A CA is not expected to prevent me from hosting rootkits. Doesn’t matter if my domain is rootkits-are.us or totallylegitandsafe.net. It’s their job to make sure I own those domains. Nothing more. For a DV cert at least.\n
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Yeah, except you aren’t supposed to TOFU.\n
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Literally everybody does SSH wrong. The point of host keys is to exchange them out-of-band so you know you have the right host on the first connection.\n
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And guess what certificates are.\n
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\n
Not to mention, if you don’t trust Bob’s House of Certificate’s, there’s no reason you can’t entrust it from your system. And if you trust Jimbo’s Certificate Authority, you are welcome to tell your system to accept certificates they issue.
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There are many Distros out there, but what they all do is make useful and modern systems.\n
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What are your not well known hacks/tricks to make the Linux Desktop experience WAY better and modern?\n
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Here are mine\n
\n
Install a bigger Distro\n
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I dont recommend Ubuntu anymore, as they are simply doing things that are not traditional anymore. Unless they open source their snap store, and allow third party repos, its simply not a free Linux Distro.\n
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\n
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Its not sufficient for everything, but 70% or so of the users could totally have a 90% Flatpak/10% native packages system.\n
\n
This reduces the amount of entropy **drastically**. Entropy means chaos, the randomness that your package manager needs to fight. Every install and removal of a package makes your system diverge from the tested version upstream, and developers will often say “We cant reproduce this issue”.\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
Try OSTree Distros\n
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\n
- Linux User Space: Happy Rebasing to everyone!\n
- Fedora Project Podcast: Silverblue and immutable Desktops\n
\n
To keep it short: Do you know how your system will look like after using it regularily, updating, installing, uninstalling, for many upgrades?\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
For example using Syncthing. Why need a server when you have all your data on two devices that you own. The chance of both breaking is not very high.\n
\n
Or use Nextcloud, maybe combine it with Cryptomator if you dont trust your Server.\n
\n
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\n
Automate entering “sort by price” or “only in 100km range” etc in ebay, or anything else, using “Add Custom Search Engine” and a custom search string.\n
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There are many Distros out there, but what they all do is make useful and modern systems.\n
\n
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\n
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\n
Install a bigger Distro\n
-----------------------\n
\n
I dont recommend Ubuntu anymore, as they are simply doing things that are not traditional anymore. Unless they open source their snap store, and allow third party repos, its simply not a free Linux Distro.\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
Get Flatpak & Flathub\n
-------------------------\n
\n
Having an “out of the box” system helps extremely with updates, package conflicts and all. With Flatpak, you have access to nearly all Graphical Linux Applications (that are widely used and maintained).\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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----------------------\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
Stick to secure defaults\n
------------------------\n
\n
Example: Fedora and others are nearly unique at using SELinux, which is naturally on Android.\n
\n
Also, Distros being very stable with Wayland, Pipewire and other modern standards, are a good indication. Switching from Kubuntu to Fedora-KDE for example was a great step.\n
\n
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\n
Things like hardened kernel, hardened malloc, measured boot, hash authentification (Heads BIOS for example) are not common, which is pretty bad.\n
\n
Try OSTree Distros\n
------------------\n
\n
There are now great talks about different versions of Immutability.\n
\n
- Linux User Space: Happy Rebasing to everyone!\n
- Fedora Project Podcast: Silverblue and immutable Desktops\n
\n
To keep it short: Do you know how your system will look like after using it regularily, updating, installing, uninstalling, for many upgrades?\n
\n
You can be more sure by following the containerization standards, but still the system can not be resetted, and you cant simply display the changes you did to your system.\n
\n
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\n
Automate\n
--------\n
\n
Automate updates, this is so important and poorly not standard. This doesnt mean having to click a button on a store always. I am working on some better system, detecting networks and battery state.\n
\n
Automate backups of important directories to an external Drive.\n
\n
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\n
Or use Nextcloud, maybe combine it with Cryptomator if you dont trust your Server.\n
\n
Automate command line tasks in your shell config.\n
\n
Automate app startups if they take long.\n
\n
Automate your passwords by using a password manager.\n
\n
Automate annoying cookie banner removal using UBlock Origin.\n
\n
Automate entering “sort by price” or “only in 100km range” etc in ebay, or anything else, using “Add Custom Search Engine” and a custom search string.\n
\n
---\n
\n
What are your tips for Linux Desktops?
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Install a bigger Distro\n
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This reduces the amount of entropy **drastically**. Entropy means chaos, the randomness that your package manager needs to fight. Every install and removal of a package makes your system diverge from the tested version upstream, and developers will often say “We cant reproduce this issue”.\n
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\n
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So if you can use VMs with graphical acceleration and have enough RAM, install a very light Desktop on there or even a Window Manager (Fedora Sway spin?).\n
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Its not best to self hack all your security features. Even though MAC address randomization or secure DNS settings are not default poorly.\n
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Things like hardened kernel, hardened malloc, measured boot, hash authentification (Heads BIOS for example) are not common, which is pretty bad.\n
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Try OSTree Distros\n
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There are now great talks about different versions of Immutability.\n
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- Linux User Space: Happy Rebasing to everyone!\n
- Fedora Project Podcast: Silverblue and immutable Desktops\n
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To keep it short: Do you know how your system will look like after using it regularily, updating, installing, uninstalling, for many upgrades?\n
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You can be more sure by following the containerization standards, but still the system can not be resetted, and you cant simply display the changes you did to your system.\n
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With OSTree Distros you can reset, rebase to another system (completely different or simply with some other packages), display every change you did to it, revert the changes to your last boot, keep any image as a backup before experimenting… And all updates and installs are atomic! If something fails, you will have no update, no chance to break at all, even when using rolling git releases or something.\n
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Automate\n
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Automate updates, this is so important and poorly not standard. This doesnt mean having to click a button on a store always. I am working on some better system, detecting networks and battery state.\n
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Automate backups of important directories to an external Drive.\n
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For example using Syncthing. Why need a server when you have all your data on two devices that you own. The chance of both breaking is not very high.\n
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Or use Nextcloud, maybe combine it with Cryptomator if you dont trust your Server.\n
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Automate command line tasks in your shell config.\n
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Automate app startups if they take long.\n
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Automate your passwords by using a password manager.\n
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Automate annoying cookie banner removal using UBlock Origin.\n
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Automate entering “sort by price” or “only in 100km range” etc in ebay, or anything else, using “Add Custom Search Engine” and a custom search string.\n
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\n
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\n
Install a bigger Distro\n
-----------------------\n
\n
I dont recommend Ubuntu anymore, as they are simply doing things that are not traditional anymore. Unless they open source their snap store, and allow third party repos, its simply not a free Linux Distro.\n
\n
But its true that sticking to something “Upstream” helps a lot with stable Experience and Support.\n
\n
I recommend Fedora, and they put a lot of focus on the new, modern Atomic Variants.\n
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You may also stick to Opensuse, Arch or even Debian. Debian will get boring and stay partly broken. Opensuse struggles with adaption sometimes. Arch is Arch…\n
\n
Get Flatpak & Flathub\n
-------------------------\n
\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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\n
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So if you can use VMs with graphical acceleration and have enough RAM, install a very light Desktop on there or even a Window Manager (Fedora Sway spin?).\n
\n
One step below: you can use isolated containers. Toolbox and Distrobox are not suited for that out of the box, but there are ways to isolate its directories and also remove filesystem permissions completely.\n
\n
The last but still useful step is to have Toolbox/Distrobox Containers. It doesnt isolate your filesystem at all, as its primary use case is to have app support from every Linux Distro. So you can use Ubuntu PPA, Arch AUR, Fedora COPR, Opensuse and many more Distro-specific repos.\n
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While thats mostly not needed, you can group your projects here, most common use case is a dev environment with loads of other dependencies, that you dont want to put on your main system.\n
\n
Stick to secure defaults\n
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Example: Fedora and others are nearly unique at using SELinux, which is naturally on Android.\n
\n
Also, Distros being very stable with Wayland, Pipewire and other modern standards, are a good indication. Switching from Kubuntu to Fedora-KDE for example was a great step.\n
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\n
Things like hardened kernel, hardened malloc, measured boot, hash authentification (Heads BIOS for example) are not common, which is pretty bad.\n
\n
Try OSTree Distros\n
------------------\n
\n
There are now great talks about different versions of Immutability.\n
\n
- Linux User Space: Happy Rebasing to everyone!\n
- Fedora Project Podcast: Silverblue and immutable Desktops\n
\n
To keep it short: Do you know how your system will look like after using it regularily, updating, installing, uninstalling, for many upgrades?\n
\n
You can be more sure by following the containerization standards, but still the system can not be resetted, and you cant simply display the changes you did to your system.\n
\n
With OSTree Distros you can reset, rebase to another system (completely different or simply with some other packages), display every change you did to it, revert the changes to your last boot, keep any image as a backup before experimenting… And all updates and installs are atomic! If something fails, you will have no update, no chance to break at all, even when using rolling git releases or something.\n
\n
Automate\n
--------\n
\n
Automate updates, this is so important and poorly not standard. This doesnt mean having to click a button on a store always. I am working on some better system, detecting networks and battery state.\n
\n
Automate backups of important directories to an external Drive.\n
\n
For example using Syncthing. Why need a server when you have all your data on two devices that you own. The chance of both breaking is not very high.\n
\n
Or use Nextcloud, maybe combine it with Cryptomator if you dont trust your Server.\n
\n
Automate command line tasks in your shell config.\n
\n
Automate app startups if they take long.\n
\n
Automate your passwords by using a password manager.\n
\n
Automate annoying cookie banner removal using UBlock Origin.\n
\n
Automate entering “sort by price” or “only in 100km range” etc in ebay, or anything else, using “Add Custom Search Engine” and a custom search string.\n
\n
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What are your tips for Linux Desktops?
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There are many Distros out there, but what they all do is make useful and modern systems.\n
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What are your not well known hacks/tricks to make the Linux Desktop experience WAY better and modern?\n
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Here are mine\n
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Install a bigger Distro\n
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I dont recommend Ubuntu anymore, as they are simply doing things that are not traditional anymore. Unless they open source their snap store, and allow third party repos, its simply not a free Linux Distro.\n
\n
But its true that sticking to something “Upstream” helps a lot with stable Experience and Support.\n
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I recommend Fedora, and they put a lot of focus on the new, modern Atomic Variants.\n
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You may also stick to Opensuse, Arch or even Debian. Debian will get boring and stay partly broken. Opensuse struggles with adaption sometimes. Arch is Arch…\n
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Get Flatpak & Flathub\n
-------------------------\n
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Having an “out of the box” system helps extremely with updates, package conflicts and all. With Flatpak, you have access to nearly all Graphical Linux Applications (that are widely used and maintained).\n
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Its not sufficient for everything, but 70% or so of the users could totally have a 90% Flatpak/10% native packages system.\n
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This reduces the amount of entropy **drastically**. Entropy means chaos, the randomness that your package manager needs to fight. Every install and removal of a package makes your system diverge from the tested version upstream, and developers will often say “We cant reproduce this issue”.\n
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Also at the same time, Flatpaks remove the need of seperate packaging, they have official binaries (`–subsection=verified`). Thus the versions are often newer.\n
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Also, Flatpaks are open, and have easy containerization and permission management.\n
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Containerize workloads\n
----------------------\n
\n
Example: I have a Laptop that does Private, Secure and Work things.\n
\n
Best would be to have isolated containers or even Virtual Machines, if you really dont want other apps spying on something you dont like. This is luckily nearly nonexistent, even though X11 and the lack of SELinux make common Distros not actually secure.\n
\n
So if you can use VMs with graphical acceleration and have enough RAM, install a very light Desktop on there or even a Window Manager (Fedora Sway spin?).\n
\n
One step below: you can use isolated containers. Toolbox and Distrobox are not suited for that out of the box, but there are ways to isolate its directories and also remove filesystem permissions completely.\n
\n
The last but still useful step is to have Toolbox/Distrobox Containers. It doesnt isolate your filesystem at all, as its primary use case is to have app support from every Linux Distro. So you can use Ubuntu PPA, Arch AUR, Fedora COPR, Opensuse and many more Distro-specific repos.\n
\n
While thats mostly not needed, you can group your projects here, most common use case is a dev environment with loads of other dependencies, that you dont want to put on your main system.\n
\n
Stick to secure defaults\n
------------------------\n
\n
Example: Fedora and others are nearly unique at using SELinux, which is naturally on Android.\n
\n
Also, Distros being very stable with Wayland, Pipewire and other modern standards, are a good indication. Switching from Kubuntu to Fedora-KDE for example was a great step.\n
\n
Its not best to self hack all your security features. Even though MAC address randomization or secure DNS settings are not default poorly.\n
\n
Things like hardened kernel, hardened malloc, measured boot, hash authentification (Heads BIOS for example) are not common, which is pretty bad.\n
\n
Try OSTree Distros\n
------------------\n
\n
There are now great talks about different versions of Immutability.\n
\n
- Linux User Space: Happy Rebasing to everyone!\n
- Fedora Project Podcast: Silverblue and immutable Desktops\n
\n
To keep it short: Do you know how your system will look like after using it regularily, updating, installing, uninstalling, for many upgrades?\n
\n
You can be more sure by following the containerization standards, but still the system can not be resetted, and you cant simply display the changes you did to your system.\n
\n
With OSTree Distros you can reset, rebase to another system (completely different or simply with some other packages), display every change you did to it, revert the changes to your last boot, keep any image as a backup before experimenting… And all updates and installs are atomic! If something fails, you will have no update, no chance to break at all, even when using rolling git releases or something.\n
\n
Automate\n
--------\n
\n
Automate updates, this is so important and poorly not standard. This doesnt mean having to click a button on a store always. I am working on some better system, detecting networks and battery state.\n
\n
Automate backups of important directories to an external Drive.\n
\n
For example using Syncthing. Why need a server when you have all your data on two devices that you own. The chance of both breaking is not very high.\n
\n
Or use Nextcloud, maybe combine it with Cryptomator if you dont trust your Server.\n
\n
Automate command line tasks in your shell config.\n
\n
Automate app startups if they take long.\n
\n
Automate your passwords by using a password manager.\n
\n
Automate annoying cookie banner removal using UBlock Origin.\n
\n
Automate entering “sort by price” or “only in 100km range” etc in ebay, or anything else, using “Add Custom Search Engine” and a custom search string.\n
\n
---\n
\n
What are your tips for Linux Desktops?
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There are many Distros out there, but what they all do is make useful and modern systems.\n
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What are your not well known hacks/tricks to make the Linux Desktop experience WAY better and modern?\n
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Here are mine\n
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Install a bigger Distro\n
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I dont recommend Ubuntu anymore, as they are simply doing things that are not traditional anymore. Unless they open source their snap store, and allow third party repos, its simply not a free Linux Distro.\n
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But its true that sticking to something “Upstream” helps a lot with stable Experience and Support.\n
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I recommend Fedora, and they put a lot of focus on the new, modern Atomic Variants.\n
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You may also stick to Opensuse, Arch or even Debian. Debian will get boring and stay partly broken. Opensuse struggles with adaption sometimes. Arch is Arch…\n
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Get Flatpak & Flathub\n
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Having an “out of the box” system helps extremely with updates, package conflicts and all. With Flatpak, you have access to nearly all Graphical Linux Applications (that are widely used and maintained).\n
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Its not sufficient for everything, but 70% or so of the users could totally have a 90% Flatpak/10% native packages system.\n
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This reduces the amount of entropy **drastically**. Entropy means chaos, the randomness that your package manager needs to fight. Every install and removal of a package makes your system diverge from the tested version upstream, and developers will often say “We cant reproduce this issue”.\n
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Also at the same time, Flatpaks remove the need of seperate packaging, they have official binaries (`–subsection=verified`). Thus the versions are often newer.\n
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Also, Flatpaks are open, and have easy containerization and permission management.\n
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Containerize workloads\n
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Example: I have a Laptop that does Private, Secure and Work things.\n
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Best would be to have isolated containers or even Virtual Machines, if you really dont want other apps spying on something you dont like. This is luckily nearly nonexistent, even though X11 and the lack of SELinux make common Distros not actually secure.\n
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So if you can use VMs with graphical acceleration and have enough RAM, install a very light Desktop on there or even a Window Manager (Fedora Sway spin?).\n
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One step below: you can use isolated containers. Toolbox and Distrobox are not suited for that out of the box, but there are ways to isolate its directories and also remove filesystem permissions completely.\n
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The last but still useful step is to have Toolbox/Distrobox Containers. It doesnt isolate your filesystem at all, as its primary use case is to have app support from every Linux Distro. So you can use Ubuntu PPA, Arch AUR, Fedora COPR, Opensuse and many more Distro-specific repos.\n
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While thats mostly not needed, you can group your projects here, most common use case is a dev environment with loads of other dependencies, that you dont want to put on your main system.\n
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Stick to secure defaults\n
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Example: Fedora and others are nearly unique at using SELinux, which is naturally on Android.\n
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Also, Distros being very stable with Wayland, Pipewire and other modern standards, are a good indication. Switching from Kubuntu to Fedora-KDE for example was a great step.\n
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Its not best to self hack all your security features. Even though MAC address randomization or secure DNS settings are not default poorly.\n
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Things like hardened kernel, hardened malloc, measured boot, hash authentification (Heads BIOS for example) are not common, which is pretty bad.\n
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Try OSTree Distros\n
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There are now great talks about different versions of Immutability.\n
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- Linux User Space: Happy Rebasing to everyone!\n
- Fedora Project Podcast: Silverblue and immutable Desktops\n
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To keep it short: Do you know how your system will look like after using it regularily, updating, installing, uninstalling, for many upgrades?\n
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You can be more sure by following the containerization standards, but still the system can not be resetted, and you cant simply display the changes you did to your system.\n
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With OSTree Distros you can reset, rebase to another system (completely different or simply with some other packages), display every change you did to it, revert the changes to your last boot, keep any image as a backup before experimenting… And all updates and installs are atomic! If something fails, you will have no update, no chance to break at all, even when using rolling git releases or something.\n
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Automate\n
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Automate updates, this is so important and poorly not standard. This doesnt mean having to click a button on a store always. I am working on some better system, detecting networks and battery state.\n
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Automate backups of important directories to an external Drive.\n
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For example using Syncthing. Why need a server when you have all your data on two devices that you own. The chance of both breaking is not very high.\n
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Or use Nextcloud, maybe combine it with Cryptomator if you dont trust your Server.\n
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Automate command line tasks in your shell config.\n
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Automate app startups if they take long.\n
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Automate your passwords by using a password manager.\n
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Automate annoying cookie banner removal using UBlock Origin.\n
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Automate entering “sort by price” or “only in 100km range” etc in ebay, or anything else, using “Add Custom Search Engine” and a custom search string.\n
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What are your tips for Linux Desktops?
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That’s great and all…but Alt-Drag is missing.\n
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I’ve honestly been using Linux on and off for nearly 25 years, and daily the past 6 or so…and somehow *just* found out about this, and now my life is changed.
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