GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/m/memes@lemmy.ml/t/11947/Seriously-just-use-they/comment/110476/votes/up

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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context main
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access_denied_url (none)
authenticators
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0.23 ms (none)
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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
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2
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3
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4
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5
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6
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8
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9
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10
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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12
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Access decision log

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ACCESS DENIED
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
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2 DENIED moderate
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ACCESS DENIED
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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3 DENIED edit
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    If someone came to me and said, “they went to the store” my confusion would be due to a lack of context. Who are we even talking about in the first place? In that scenario gender neutral he, which is confusing for a myriad of other reasons and can lead to false assumptions, would be just as confusing.\n
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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