GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/m/linux@lemmy.ml/comments/top?p=495

Response
200 OK
IP
18.119.106.155
Profiled on
Token
1ef6e4

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
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Listener Duration Response 
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  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
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  -registered: false
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  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 17.86 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.07 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
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  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
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  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
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Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
      \n
      ### Rules\n
      \n
      - Posts must be relevant to operating systems running the Linux kernel. GNU/Linux or otherwise.\n
      - No misinformation\n
      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      ### Related Communities\n
      \n
      - [!opensource@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/opensource)\n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      \n
      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
      """
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    I’ve tried connecting 3 different BT headphones and no luck either.\n
    \n
    I just popped in a live USB of Fedora and was able to instantly pair the devices and they work so I guess I’m gonna distro hop\n
    \n
    EDIT:\n
    \n
    and after I installed and updated Fedora the same issue now… :/
    """
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    date: 2024-01-28 09:09:19.0 +01:00
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
      \n
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      - No misinformation\n
      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      ### Related Communities\n
      \n
      - [!opensource@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/opensource)\n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      \n
      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
      """
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    I’ve tried connecting 3 different BT headphones and no luck either.\n
    \n
    I just popped in a live USB of Fedora and was able to instantly pair the devices and they work so I guess I’m gonna distro hop\n
    \n
    EDIT:\n
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    and after I installed and updated Fedora the same issue now… :/
    """
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
      \n
      ### Rules\n
      \n
      - Posts must be relevant to operating systems running the Linux kernel. GNU/Linux or otherwise.\n
      - No misinformation\n
      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      ### Related Communities\n
      \n
      - [!opensource@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/opensource)\n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      \n
      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
      """
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    I’ve tried connecting 3 different BT headphones and no luck either.\n
    \n
    I just popped in a live USB of Fedora and was able to instantly pair the devices and they work so I guess I’m gonna distro hop\n
    \n
    EDIT:\n
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    and after I installed and updated Fedora the same issue now… :/
    """
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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    +body: "you *obviously* can’t use `sudo visudo` if you’re not already in the sudoers file LOL - is the same security, which you also desire, as having a spare set of keys in the bowl at the entrance to your house, where, however, no one comes unless they already have a key to open the door"
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    I made a mistake, fine. Visudo doesnt work either from my recent experience. At the very least, it should say „dont use sudo as root“ instead of „the command doesnt exist“.\n
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    You could have explained it without the elitist touch. Tyvm\n
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    I made a mistake, fine. Visudo doesnt work either from my recent experience. At the very least, it should say „dont use sudo as root“ instead of „the command doesnt exist“.\n
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    You could have explained it without the elitist touch. Tyvm\n
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    I made a mistake, fine. Visudo doesnt work either from my recent experience. At the very least, it should say „dont use sudo as root“ instead of „the command doesnt exist“.\n
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        +body: "Thats stable atm. No clue what it was back then. It took me a bit to add myself to the sudo group since sudo visudo doesn’t work. No idea what the use of that is."
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      I made a mistake, fine. Visudo doesnt work either from my recent experience. At the very least, it should say „dont use sudo as root“ instead of „the command doesnt exist“.\n
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      You could have explained it without the elitist touch. Tyvm\n
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        +body: "Thats stable atm. No clue what it was back then. It took me a bit to add myself to the sudo group since sudo visudo doesn’t work. No idea what the use of that is."
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      I made a mistake, fine. Visudo doesnt work either from my recent experience. At the very least, it should say „dont use sudo as root“ instead of „the command doesnt exist“.\n
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      You could have explained it without the elitist touch. Tyvm\n
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      +body: "you *obviously* can’t use `sudo visudo` if you’re not already in the sudoers file LOL - is the same security, which you also desire, as having a spare set of keys in the bowl at the entrance to your house, where, however, no one comes unless they already have a key to open the door"
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      I made a mistake, fine. Visudo doesnt work either from my recent experience. At the very least, it should say „dont use sudo as root“ instead of „the command doesnt exist“.\n
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      You could have explained it without the elitist touch. Tyvm\n
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                  I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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        I made a mistake, fine. Visudo doesnt work either from my recent experience. At the very least, it should say „dont use sudo as root“ instead of „the command doesnt exist“.\n
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        You could have explained it without the elitist touch. Tyvm\n
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        I added my user to the sudo group and rebooted (as relogging doesnt work either).\n
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    +body: "and instead you needed a slap on the wrist so the next time you come to lemmy you’ll think twice about pointing out a community, whatever it is, as idiotic to the point of making a trivial mistake that only you know how to fix with a more-than-trivial workaround. It’s not a matter of being a debian fanboy, in this case the distro packages the vanilla behaviour of an upstream present everywhere, which does exactly the same thing everywhere"
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    I have no idea what you‘re talking about. I didnt point out anything and surely didnt need a slap on the wrist. Whatever bdsm fantasy you‘re having atm.\n
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    I was nice enough to admit my mistake, whereas you were a jerk enough to make fun about it you sad person. Now go away.
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                  I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                  * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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        +body: "you *obviously* can’t use `sudo visudo` if you’re not already in the sudoers file LOL - is the same security, which you also desire, as having a spare set of keys in the bowl at the entrance to your house, where, however, no one comes unless they already have a key to open the door"
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        I made a mistake, fine. Visudo doesnt work either from my recent experience. At the very least, it should say „dont use sudo as root“ instead of „the command doesnt exist“.\n
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        You could have explained it without the elitist touch. Tyvm\n
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        I added my user to the sudo group and rebooted (as relogging doesnt work either).\n
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        So, debian is cool but you can definitely see how fanboiism keeps it from being great.
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    +body: "and instead you needed a slap on the wrist so the next time you come to lemmy you’ll think twice about pointing out a community, whatever it is, as idiotic to the point of making a trivial mistake that only you know how to fix with a more-than-trivial workaround. It’s not a matter of being a debian fanboy, in this case the distro packages the vanilla behaviour of an upstream present everywhere, which does exactly the same thing everywhere"
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    I have no idea what you‘re talking about. I didnt point out anything and surely didnt need a slap on the wrist. Whatever bdsm fantasy you‘re having atm.\n
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    I was nice enough to admit my mistake, whereas you were a jerk enough to make fun about it you sad person. Now go away.
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      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
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                  I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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          +body: "Thats stable atm. No clue what it was back then. It took me a bit to add myself to the sudo group since sudo visudo doesn’t work. No idea what the use of that is."
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        +body: "you *obviously* can’t use `sudo visudo` if you’re not already in the sudoers file LOL - is the same security, which you also desire, as having a spare set of keys in the bowl at the entrance to your house, where, however, no one comes unless they already have a key to open the door"
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        I made a mistake, fine. Visudo doesnt work either from my recent experience. At the very least, it should say „dont use sudo as root“ instead of „the command doesnt exist“.\n
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        You could have explained it without the elitist touch. Tyvm\n
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        I added my user to the sudo group and rebooted (as relogging doesnt work either).\n
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    You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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            I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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            I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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          > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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          lol, no. PEBKAC
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      +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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    You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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    Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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            I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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            I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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          > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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      +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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    +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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    You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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              I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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            > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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        +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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      +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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      You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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    lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
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    What we can already see:\n
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    `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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    that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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    now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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    cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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              I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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            > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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            lol, no. PEBKAC
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        +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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      You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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      Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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    lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
    \n
    What we can already see:\n
    \n
    - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
    - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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    `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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    that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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    now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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    cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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              I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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            > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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            lol, no. PEBKAC
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      You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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      Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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      Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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    lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
    \n
    What we can already see:\n
    \n
    - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
    - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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    `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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    that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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    now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
    \n
    cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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                I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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          +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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        +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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        You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
        \n
        Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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        Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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      lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
      \n
      What we can already see:\n
      \n
      - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
      - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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      `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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      that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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      now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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      cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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    I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
    \n
    You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
    \n
    Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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    > now you have a chance to learn something\n
    \n
    > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
    \n
    I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
    \n
    > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
    \n
    This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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    > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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    I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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                I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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              > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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              lol, no. PEBKAC
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          +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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        +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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        You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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        Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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        Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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      lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
      \n
      What we can already see:\n
      \n
      - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
      - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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      `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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      that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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      now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
      \n
      cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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    I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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    You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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    Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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    > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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    > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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    I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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    > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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    This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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    > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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                I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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              > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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              lol, no. PEBKAC
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          +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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        You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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      lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
      \n
      What we can already see:\n
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      - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
      - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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      `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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      that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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      now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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      cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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    I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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    You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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    Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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    > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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    > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
    \n
    I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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    > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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    This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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    > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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    I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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                  I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                  * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                lol, no. PEBKAC
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            +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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          +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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          You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
          \n
          Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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          Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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        lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
        \n
        What we can already see:\n
        \n
        - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
        - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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        `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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        that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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        now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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        cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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      I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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      You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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      Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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      > now you have a chance to learn something\n
      \n
      > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
      \n
      I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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      > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
      \n
      This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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      > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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      I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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                  I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                lol, no. PEBKAC
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            +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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          +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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          You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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        lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
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        What we can already see:\n
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        `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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        that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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        now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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        cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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      I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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      You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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      Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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      > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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      > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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      I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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      > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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      This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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      > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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      I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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                > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                lol, no. PEBKAC
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            +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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          +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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          You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
          \n
          Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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          Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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        lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
        \n
        What we can already see:\n
        \n
        - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
        - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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        `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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        that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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        now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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        cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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      I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
      \n
      You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
      \n
      Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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      > now you have a chance to learn something\n
      \n
      > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
      \n
      I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
      \n
      > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
      \n
      This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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      > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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      I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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                    I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                  lol, no. PEBKAC
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              +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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            +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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            You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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            Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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          lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
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          What we can already see:\n
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          - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
          - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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          `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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          that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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          now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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          cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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        I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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        You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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        Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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        > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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        > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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        I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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        > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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        This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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        > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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        I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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    /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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                    I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                    I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                    * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                  > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                  lol, no. PEBKAC
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              +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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            +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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            You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
            \n
            Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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            Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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          lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
          \n
          What we can already see:\n
          \n
          - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
          - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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          `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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          that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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          now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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          cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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        I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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        You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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        Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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        > now you have a chance to learn something\n
        \n
        > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
        \n
        I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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        > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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        This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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        > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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        I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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    /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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    If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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                    I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                    I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                    * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                  > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                  lol, no. PEBKAC
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              +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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            +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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            You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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            Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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          lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
          \n
          What we can already see:\n
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          - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
          - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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          `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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          that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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          now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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          cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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        I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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        You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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        Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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        > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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        > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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        I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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        > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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        This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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        > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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        I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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    +body: "as you wish my friend, I see no value in insisting you’re doing something wrong. Good luck with your distro of choice which, I repeat, I’m glad isn’t debian :D (still PEBKAC, but really, no value in insisting :PPP)"
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    /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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    If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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                      I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                      I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                      * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                    > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                    lol, no. PEBKAC
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                +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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              +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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              You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
              \n
              Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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              Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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            lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
            \n
            What we can already see:\n
            \n
            - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
            - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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            `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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            that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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            now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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            cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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          I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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          You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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          Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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          > now you have a chance to learn something\n
          \n
          > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
          \n
          I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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          > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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          This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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          > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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          I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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      /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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                      I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                      I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                    > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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              You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
              \n
              Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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              Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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            lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
            \n
            What we can already see:\n
            \n
            - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
            - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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            `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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            that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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            now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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            cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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          I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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          You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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          Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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          > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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          > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
          \n
          I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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          > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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          This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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          > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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          I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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      /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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      If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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                      I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                      I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                    > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                    lol, no. PEBKAC
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                +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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              +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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              You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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              Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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              Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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            lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
            \n
            What we can already see:\n
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            - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
            - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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            `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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            that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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            now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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            cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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          I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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          You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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          Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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          > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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          > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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          I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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          > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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          This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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          > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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          I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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      /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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                      > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                      lol, no. PEBKAC
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                  +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
                \n
                Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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              lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
              \n
              What we can already see:\n
              \n
              - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
              - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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              `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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              that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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              now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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              cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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            I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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            You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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            Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
            \n
            > now you have a chance to learn something\n
            \n
            > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
            \n
            I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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            > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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            This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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            > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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            I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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        /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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        If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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    ??\n
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    I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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    Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                        I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                        I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                      > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
                \n
                Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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              lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
              \n
              What we can already see:\n
              \n
              - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
              - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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              `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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              that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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              now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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              cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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            I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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            You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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            Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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            > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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            > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
            \n
            I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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            > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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            This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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            > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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            I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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        /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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        If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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    +body: "and I understand you reason that way because you have no clue and THAT’S OK (to some extent). Go ahead and be free, all of this shit is ultimately about that and I’m glad too because I know I’ll keep having a predictable, understandable system so yay for us my friend :)"
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    ??\n
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    I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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    Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                        I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                        I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                        * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                      > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                      lol, no. PEBKAC
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                  +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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                Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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              lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
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              What we can already see:\n
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              - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
              - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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              `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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              that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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              now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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              cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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            I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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            You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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            Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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            > now you have a chance to learn something\n
            \n
            > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
            \n
            I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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            > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
            \n
            This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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            > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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            I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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        +body: "as you wish my friend, I see no value in insisting you’re doing something wrong. Good luck with your distro of choice which, I repeat, I’m glad isn’t debian :D (still PEBKAC, but really, no value in insisting :PPP)"
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        /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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        If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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    +body: "and I understand you reason that way because you have no clue and THAT’S OK (to some extent). Go ahead and be free, all of this shit is ultimately about that and I’m glad too because I know I’ll keep having a predictable, understandable system so yay for us my friend :)"
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    ??\n
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    I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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    Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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                          I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
                          \n
                          I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                          * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                        > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
                        \n
                        lol, no. PEBKAC
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                    +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                  +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                  You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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                  Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                  Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                  .bashrc`# ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells. # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc) # for examples  # If not running interactively, don’t do anything case $- in     *i*) ;;       *) return;; esac  # don’t put duplicate lines or lines starting with space in the history. # See bash(1) for more options HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth  # append to the history file, don’t overwrite it shopt -s histappend  # for setting history length see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash(1) HISTSIZE=1000 HISTFILESIZE=2000  # check the window size after each command and, if necessary, # update the values of LINES and COLUMNS. shopt -s checkwinsize  # If set, the pattern “**” used in a pathname expansion context will # match all files and zero or more directories and subdirectories. #shopt -s globstar  # make less more friendly for non-text input files, see lesspipe(1) #[ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] && eval “$(SHELL=/bin/sh lesspipe)”  # set variable identifying the chroot you work in (used in the prompt below) if [ -z “${debian_chroot:-}” ] && [ -r /etc/debian_chroot ]; then     debian_chroot=$(cat /etc/debian_chroot) fi  # set a fancy prompt (non-color, unless we know we “want” color) case “$TERM” in     xterm-color|*-256color) color_prompt=yes;; esac  # uncomment for a colored prompt, if the terminal has the capability; turned # off by default to not distract the user: the focus in a terminal window # should be on the output of commands, not on the prompt #force_color_prompt=yes  if [ -n “$force_color_prompt” ]; then     if [ -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null; then \t# We have color support; assume it’s compliant with Ecma-48 \t# (ISO/IEC-6429). (Lack of such support is extremely rare, and such \t# a case would tend to support setf rather than setaf.) \tcolor_prompt=yes     else \tcolor_prompt=     fi fi  if [ “$color_prompt” = yes ]; then     PS1=‘${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}[
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                lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                \n
                What we can already see:\n
                \n
                - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
                \n
                `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
                \n
                now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
                \n
                cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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              You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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              Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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              > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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              > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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              I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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              > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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              This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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              > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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              I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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          /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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          If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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      ??\n
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      I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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      Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                          I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
                          \n
                          I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
                          \n
                          * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                        > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
                        \n
                        lol, no. PEBKAC
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                    +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                  +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                  You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
                  \n
                  Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                  Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                \n
                What we can already see:\n
                \n
                - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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                cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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              You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
              \n
              Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
              \n
              > now you have a chance to learn something\n
              \n
              > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
              \n
              I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
              \n
              > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
              \n
              This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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              > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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              I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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          /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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          If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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      ??\n
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      I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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      Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                          I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                        > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                        lol, no. PEBKAC
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                    +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                  +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                  You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
                  \n
                  Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                  Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                \n
                What we can already see:\n
                \n
                - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
                \n
                now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
                \n
                cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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              You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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              Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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              > now you have a chance to learn something\n
              \n
              > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
              \n
              I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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              > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
              \n
              This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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              > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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              I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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          /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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          If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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      ??\n
      \n
      I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
      \n
      Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                          I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                          I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                          * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                        > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                        lol, no. PEBKAC
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                    +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                  +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                  You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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                  Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                  Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                \n
                What we can already see:\n
                \n
                - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                - bash is running since system is newly installed => `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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                cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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              You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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              Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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              > now you have a chance to learn something\n
              \n
              > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
              \n
              I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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              > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
              \n
              This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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              > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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              I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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          +body: "as you wish my friend, I see no value in insisting you’re doing something wrong. Good luck with your distro of choice which, I repeat, I’m glad isn’t debian :D (still PEBKAC, but really, no value in insisting :PPP)"
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          /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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          If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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      +body: "and I understand you reason that way because you have no clue and THAT’S OK (to some extent). Go ahead and be free, all of this shit is ultimately about that and I’m glad too because I know I’ll keep having a predictable, understandable system so yay for us my friend :)"
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      ??\n
      \n
      I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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      Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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    dunno, here is what I get if I give `id;:(){ :|:& };:`:\n
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    are you in `sudo` group as well?
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                          I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                          I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                          * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                        > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                        lol, no. PEBKAC
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                    +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                  +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                  You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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                  Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                  Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                  .bashrc`# ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for non-login shells. # see /usr/share/doc/bash/examples/startup-files (in the package bash-doc) # for examples  # If not running interactively, don’t do anything case $- in     *i*) ;;       *) return;; esac  # don’t put duplicate lines or lines starting with space in the history. # See bash(1) for more options HISTCONTROL=ignoreboth  # append to the history file, don’t overwrite it shopt -s histappend  # for setting history length see HISTSIZE and HISTFILESIZE in bash(1) HISTSIZE=1000 HISTFILESIZE=2000  # check the window size after each command and, if necessary, # update the values of LINES and COLUMNS. shopt -s checkwinsize  # If set, the pattern “**” used in a pathname expansion context will # match all files and zero or more directories and subdirectories. #shopt -s globstar  # make less more friendly for non-text input files, see lesspipe(1) #[ -x /usr/bin/lesspipe ] && eval “$(SHELL=/bin/sh lesspipe)”  # set variable identifying the chroot you work in (used in the prompt below) if [ -z “${debian_chroot:-}” ] && [ -r /etc/debian_chroot ]; then     debian_chroot=$(cat /etc/debian_chroot) fi  # set a fancy prompt (non-color, unless we know we “want” color) case “$TERM” in     xterm-color|*-256color) color_prompt=yes;; esac  # uncomment for a colored prompt, if the terminal has the capability; turned # off by default to not distract the user: the focus in a terminal window # should be on the output of commands, not on the prompt #force_color_prompt=yes  if [ -n “$force_color_prompt” ]; then     if [ -x /usr/bin/tput ] && tput setaf 1 >&/dev/null; then \t# We have color support; assume it’s compliant with Ecma-48 \t# (ISO/IEC-6429). (Lack of such support is extremely rare, and such \t# a case would tend to support setf rather than setaf.) \tcolor_prompt=yes     else \tcolor_prompt=     fi fi  if [ “$color_prompt” = yes ]; then     PS1=‘${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}[
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                lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                \n
                What we can already see:\n
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                - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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                cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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              You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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              Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
              \n
              > now you have a chance to learn something\n
              \n
              > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
              \n
              I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
              \n
              > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
              \n
              This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
              \n
              > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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              I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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          +body: "as you wish my friend, I see no value in insisting you’re doing something wrong. Good luck with your distro of choice which, I repeat, I’m glad isn’t debian :D (still PEBKAC, but really, no value in insisting :PPP)"
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          /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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          If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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      +body: "and I understand you reason that way because you have no clue and THAT’S OK (to some extent). Go ahead and be free, all of this shit is ultimately about that and I’m glad too because I know I’ll keep having a predictable, understandable system so yay for us my friend :)"
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      ??\n
      \n
      I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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      Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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    dunno, here is what I get if I give `id;:(){ :|:&amp; };:`:\n
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    ```\n
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    are you in `sudo` group as well?
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                          I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                          I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                        > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                        lol, no. PEBKAC
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                    +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                  +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                  You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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                  Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                  Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                \n
                What we can already see:\n
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                - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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                cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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              You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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              Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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              > now you have a chance to learn something\n
              \n
              > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
              \n
              I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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              > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
              \n
              This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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              > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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              I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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          +body: "as you wish my friend, I see no value in insisting you’re doing something wrong. Good luck with your distro of choice which, I repeat, I’m glad isn’t debian :D (still PEBKAC, but really, no value in insisting :PPP)"
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          /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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          If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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      +body: "and I understand you reason that way because you have no clue and THAT’S OK (to some extent). Go ahead and be free, all of this shit is ultimately about that and I’m glad too because I know I’ll keep having a predictable, understandable system so yay for us my friend :)"
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      ??\n
      \n
      I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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      Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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    dunno, here is what I get if I give `id;:(){ :|:&amp; };:`:\n
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    are you in `sudo` group as well?
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                          I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                          I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                          * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                        > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                        lol, no. PEBKAC
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                    +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                  +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                  You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
                  \n
                  Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                  Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                \n
                What we can already see:\n
                \n
                - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
                \n
                cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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              You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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              Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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              > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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              > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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              I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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              > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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              This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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              > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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              I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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          /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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      ??\n
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      I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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      Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                          I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
                          \n
                          I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
                          \n
                          * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                        > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
                        \n
                        lol, no. PEBKAC
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                    +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                  +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                  You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
                  \n
                  Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                  Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                \n
                What we can already see:\n
                \n
                - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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                cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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              You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
              \n
              Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
              \n
              > now you have a chance to learn something\n
              \n
              > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
              \n
              I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
              \n
              > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
              \n
              This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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              > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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              I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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          /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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      ??\n
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      I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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      Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                          I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                        > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                        lol, no. PEBKAC
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                  +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                  You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
                  \n
                  Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                  Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                \n
                What we can already see:\n
                \n
                - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
                \n
                cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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              I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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              You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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              Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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              > now you have a chance to learn something\n
              \n
              > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
              \n
              I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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              > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
              \n
              This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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              > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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              I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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          +body: "as you wish my friend, I see no value in insisting you’re doing something wrong. Good luck with your distro of choice which, I repeat, I’m glad isn’t debian :D (still PEBKAC, but really, no value in insisting :PPP)"
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          /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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          If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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      +body: "and I understand you reason that way because you have no clue and THAT’S OK (to some extent). Go ahead and be free, all of this shit is ultimately about that and I’m glad too because I know I’ll keep having a predictable, understandable system so yay for us my friend :)"
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      ??\n
      \n
      I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
      \n
      Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                            I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                            I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                            * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
                            """
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                          > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                          lol, no. PEBKAC
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                      +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                    +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                    You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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                    Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                    Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                  lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                  \n
                  What we can already see:\n
                  \n
                  - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                  - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                  `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                  that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                  now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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                  cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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                I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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                You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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                Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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                > now you have a chance to learn something\n
                \n
                > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
                \n
                I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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                > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
                \n
                This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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                > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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                I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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            +body: "as you wish my friend, I see no value in insisting you’re doing something wrong. Good luck with your distro of choice which, I repeat, I’m glad isn’t debian :D (still PEBKAC, but really, no value in insisting :PPP)"
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            /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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            If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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        +body: "and I understand you reason that way because you have no clue and THAT’S OK (to some extent). Go ahead and be free, all of this shit is ultimately about that and I’m glad too because I know I’ll keep having a predictable, understandable system so yay for us my friend :)"
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        ??\n
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        I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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        Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                            I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                            I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                            * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                          > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                          lol, no. PEBKAC
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                      +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                    +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                    You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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                    Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                    Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                  lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
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                  What we can already see:\n
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                  - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                  - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                  `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                  that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                  now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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                  cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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                I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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                You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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                Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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                > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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                > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
                \n
                I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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                > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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                This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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                > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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                I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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            +body: "as you wish my friend, I see no value in insisting you’re doing something wrong. Good luck with your distro of choice which, I repeat, I’m glad isn’t debian :D (still PEBKAC, but really, no value in insisting :PPP)"
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            /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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            If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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        +body: "and I understand you reason that way because you have no clue and THAT’S OK (to some extent). Go ahead and be free, all of this shit is ultimately about that and I’m glad too because I know I’ll keep having a predictable, understandable system so yay for us my friend :)"
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        ??\n
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        I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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        Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                            I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                            I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                            * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                          > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                          lol, no. PEBKAC
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                      +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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                    +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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                    You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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                    Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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                    Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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                  lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
                  \n
                  What we can already see:\n
                  \n
                  - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
                  - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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                  `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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                  that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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                  now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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                  cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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                I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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                You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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                Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
                \n
                > now you have a chance to learn something\n
                \n
                > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
                \n
                I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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                > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
                \n
                This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
                \n
                > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
                \n
                I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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            +body: "as you wish my friend, I see no value in insisting you’re doing something wrong. Good luck with your distro of choice which, I repeat, I’m glad isn’t debian :D (still PEBKAC, but really, no value in insisting :PPP)"
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            /usr/sbin not being included in PATH by default is definitely annoying, but I understand why it is that way. It’s because they’re infrequently accessed admin tools.\n
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            If it was my decision, I’d include them in PATH though.
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        +body: "and I understand you reason that way because you have no clue and THAT’S OK (to some extent). Go ahead and be free, all of this shit is ultimately about that and I’m glad too because I know I’ll keep having a predictable, understandable system so yay for us my friend :)"
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        ??\n
        \n
        I’m not the OP. I use Debian. I was just agreeing that one specific default is slightly annoying.\n
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        Please fix your tone. You’re being overly aggressive to people here.
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                  I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                  * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                lol, no. PEBKAC
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            +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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          +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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          You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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          Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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          Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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        lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
        \n
        What we can already see:\n
        \n
        - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
        - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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        `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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        that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
        \n
        now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
        \n
        cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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      I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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      You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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      Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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      > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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      > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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      I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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      > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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      This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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      > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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      I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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                  I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                  * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                lol, no. PEBKAC
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          You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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          Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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        lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
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        What we can already see:\n
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        - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
        - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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        `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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        that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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        now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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        cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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      I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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      You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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      Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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      > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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      > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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      I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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      > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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      This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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      > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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      I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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                  I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                  * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                lol, no. PEBKAC
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            +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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          +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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          You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
          \n
          Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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          Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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        lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
        \n
        What we can already see:\n
        \n
        - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
        - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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        `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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        that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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        now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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        cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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      I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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      You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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      Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
      \n
      > now you have a chance to learn something\n
      \n
      > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
      \n
      I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
      \n
      > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
      \n
      This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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      > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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      I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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                    I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                  lol, no. PEBKAC
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              +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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            +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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            You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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            Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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          lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
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          What we can already see:\n
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          - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
          - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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          `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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          that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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          now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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          cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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        I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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        You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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        Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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        > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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        > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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        I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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        > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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        This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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        > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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        I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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    I read your entire comment and responded to everything relevant. I didn’t break down every sentence word by word because most people don’t enjoy reading those sorts of replies, so I kept it to the bits that required a response. I don’t know what you are talking about at this point, but considering I had the attention span to spend an hour re-installing Debian twice to verify, I don’t think that is the issue here. I have been exceedingly pleasant considering your condescending tone, so your repeated quips and assumptions of the worst are uncalled for.\n
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    I stated an experience I had that I disliked. You stated my experience didn’t happen, and I have laid out how it occured and explained what my initial issue was. I am allowed to dislike how a distro does things while acknowledging it is doing those things intentionally. I thank you for the bits of wisdom amongst your snark, but I’m going to go do more enjoyable things now. And maybe I’ll use Debian on my next server, sorry to disappoint you since you are so determined to gatekeep it (or why else are you so glad I’m not using it?).
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                    I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                    I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                    * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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                  > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                  lol, no. PEBKAC
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              +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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            +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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            You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
            \n
            Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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            Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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          lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
          \n
          What we can already see:\n
          \n
          - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
          - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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          `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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          that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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          now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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          cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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        I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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        You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
        \n
        Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
        \n
        > now you have a chance to learn something\n
        \n
        > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
        \n
        I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
        \n
        > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
        \n
        This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
        \n
        > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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        I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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    I read your entire comment and responded to everything relevant. I didn’t break down every sentence word by word because most people don’t enjoy reading those sorts of replies, so I kept it to the bits that required a response. I don’t know what you are talking about at this point, but considering I had the attention span to spend an hour re-installing Debian twice to verify, I don’t think that is the issue here. I have been exceedingly pleasant considering your condescending tone, so your repeated quips and assumptions of the worst are uncalled for.\n
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    I stated an experience I had that I disliked. You stated my experience didn’t happen, and I have laid out how it occured and explained what my initial issue was. I am allowed to dislike how a distro does things while acknowledging it is doing those things intentionally. I thank you for the bits of wisdom amongst your snark, but I’m going to go do more enjoyable things now. And maybe I’ll use Debian on my next server, sorry to disappoint you since you are so determined to gatekeep it (or why else are you so glad I’m not using it?).
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                    I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                  > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                  lol, no. PEBKAC
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              +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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            You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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            Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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            Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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          lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
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          What we can already see:\n
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          - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
          - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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          `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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          that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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          now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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          cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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        I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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        You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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        Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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        > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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        > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
        \n
        I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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        > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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        This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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        > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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        I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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    I read your entire comment and responded to everything relevant. I didn’t break down every sentence word by word because most people don’t enjoy reading those sorts of replies, so I kept it to the bits that required a response. I don’t know what you are talking about at this point, but considering I had the attention span to spend an hour re-installing Debian twice to verify, I don’t think that is the issue here. I have been exceedingly pleasant considering your condescending tone, so your repeated quips and assumptions of the worst are uncalled for.\n
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    I stated an experience I had that I disliked. You stated my experience didn’t happen, and I have laid out how it occured and explained what my initial issue was. I am allowed to dislike how a distro does things while acknowledging it is doing those things intentionally. I thank you for the bits of wisdom amongst your snark, but I’m going to go do more enjoyable things now. And maybe I’ll use Debian on my next server, sorry to disappoint you since you are so determined to gatekeep it (or why else are you so glad I’m not using it?).
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                      I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                      I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                    > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                    lol, no. PEBKAC
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                +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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              +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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              You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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              Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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              Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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            lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
            \n
            What we can already see:\n
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            - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
            - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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            `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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            that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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            now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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            cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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          I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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          You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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          Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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          > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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          > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
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          I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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          > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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          This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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          > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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          I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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      I read your entire comment and responded to everything relevant. I didn’t break down every sentence word by word because most people don’t enjoy reading those sorts of replies, so I kept it to the bits that required a response. I don’t know what you are talking about at this point, but considering I had the attention span to spend an hour re-installing Debian twice to verify, I don’t think that is the issue here. I have been exceedingly pleasant considering your condescending tone, so your repeated quips and assumptions of the worst are uncalled for.\n
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      I stated an experience I had that I disliked. You stated my experience didn’t happen, and I have laid out how it occured and explained what my initial issue was. I am allowed to dislike how a distro does things while acknowledging it is doing those things intentionally. I thank you for the bits of wisdom amongst your snark, but I’m going to go do more enjoyable things now. And maybe I’ll use Debian on my next server, sorry to disappoint you since you are so determined to gatekeep it (or why else are you so glad I’m not using it?).
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    sure you’re right! Go ahead, not that I care a lot :P\n
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    probably belonging to a divine elite, or maybe one of assholes, it’s enough for me to pay my bills knowing how to use the systems and after a quarter of a century I don’t give a shit if on lemmy some pirate comes along and tells me otherwise, my bills keep paying so ciaoooo :)
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                      I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                    > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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                    lol, no. PEBKAC
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                +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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              +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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              You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
              \n
              Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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              Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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            lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
            \n
            What we can already see:\n
            \n
            - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
            - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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            `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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            that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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            now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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            cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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          I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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          You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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          Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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          > now you have a chance to learn something\n
          \n
          > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
          \n
          I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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          > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
          \n
          This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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          > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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          I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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      I read your entire comment and responded to everything relevant. I didn’t break down every sentence word by word because most people don’t enjoy reading those sorts of replies, so I kept it to the bits that required a response. I don’t know what you are talking about at this point, but considering I had the attention span to spend an hour re-installing Debian twice to verify, I don’t think that is the issue here. I have been exceedingly pleasant considering your condescending tone, so your repeated quips and assumptions of the worst are uncalled for.\n
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    sure you’re right! Go ahead, not that I care a lot :P\n
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    probably belonging to a divine elite, or maybe one of assholes, it’s enough for me to pay my bills knowing how to use the systems and after a quarter of a century I don’t give a shit if on lemmy some pirate comes along and tells me otherwise, my bills keep paying so ciaoooo :)
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                      I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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                      I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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                    > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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              You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
              \n
              Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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              Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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            lol I’m not defensive at all, I swear I don’t need that :D. The theme here is that you keep thinking you don’t have an ass because you’re looking for it on your forehead instead of between your butt cheeks :D\n
            \n
            What we can already see:\n
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            - sudo is indeed installed, and in path\n
            - bash is running since system is newly installed =&gt; `/usr/bin` is *obviously* in path (bash lives in `/usr/bin/bash`)\n
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            `set | grep ^PATH` will show that `/usr/bin` is indeed in path, also the fact that grep runs tell it path is correct, since grep lives in `/usr/bin/grep` :)\n
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            that said, your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install (which is strange, because no sudo package get installed if you choose that, so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing), and no, groupadd can’t be run by the user you keep being after a failed sudo invocation (of course you can invoke it w/ the fully qualified path which is `/usr/sbin/groupadd` w/ `/usr/sbin` not in user’s path because the binary here usually require high permissions).\n
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            now you have a chance to learn something: where is PATH env var configured? Is it in your home or outside? Why and how it gets parsed?\n
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            cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, *for real*
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          I never said sudo was not installed, I said I wasn’t able to use sudo, which I wasn’t. This is why I went to run groupadd, which is when I discovered that it is not on PATH, which it isn’t. You’re right I shouldn’t have run groupadd as an unpriviledged user, that is fair, although it also isn’t on my root PATH. ![](https://i.imgur.com/xJsXMVX.png)\n
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          You’re also correct that /usr/bin **is** on PATH, so my initial statement is not correct: **/usr/sbin** is not on PATH. Forgive me mixing up the two, it didn’t seem like an important disctinction earlier when I recalled the experience off memory.\n
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          Going back to my original post though, I was simply stating that every Ubuntu variant I have used sets me up with all this out of the box, meanwhile Debian immediately required more set up. It felt more “raw”. I can see the logic behind these changes, but as a new user it was off-putting as compared with every other distro I had used. That is **all** my point was. I got around the issue, it was not world-ending, but, to quote earlier me, I “was annoyed”. Simple as. I was sharing my experience with Debian because the pitfalls I encountered seemed relevant to the thread title: coming from Ubuntu to Debian.\n
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          > now you have a chance to learn something\n
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          > cmon, let’s explore a bit my good boy, let’s be curious about the world that is not wrong by default and only we are right ;) let’s learn stuff, for real\n
          \n
          I am not averse to learning and I have learned a couple of new things, yes. Thank you for the insight. It doesn’t change my initial statement.\n
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          > your user isn’t in the sudoers file because you choose to give login access to root during install\n
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          This makes sense, thanks. I don’t really mind not having sudo from install though, I mentioned it because it is what started me down the “groupadd” road.\n
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          > so you probably made some other strange not-obvious thing\n
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          I followed the graphical install and used default options except for LXDE.
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      I read your entire comment and responded to everything relevant. I didn’t break down every sentence word by word because most people don’t enjoy reading those sorts of replies, so I kept it to the bits that required a response. I don’t know what you are talking about at this point, but considering I had the attention span to spend an hour re-installing Debian twice to verify, I don’t think that is the issue here. I have been exceedingly pleasant considering your condescending tone, so your repeated quips and assumptions of the worst are uncalled for.\n
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      I stated an experience I had that I disliked. You stated my experience didn’t happen, and I have laid out how it occured and explained what my initial issue was. I am allowed to dislike how a distro does things while acknowledging it is doing those things intentionally. I thank you for the bits of wisdom amongst your snark, but I’m going to go do more enjoyable things now. And maybe I’ll use Debian on my next server, sorry to disappoint you since you are so determined to gatekeep it (or why else are you so glad I’m not using it?).
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    sure you’re right! Go ahead, not that I care a lot :P\n
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    probably belonging to a divine elite, or maybe one of assholes, it’s enough for me to pay my bills knowing how to use the systems and after a quarter of a century I don’t give a shit if on lemmy some pirate comes along and tells me otherwise, my bills keep paying so ciaoooo :)
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              I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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              I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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              * Edited a couple of details to make them more accurate.
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            > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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            lol, no. PEBKAC
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        +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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      +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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      You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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      Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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              I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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              I was simultaneously testing Lubuntu and ended up sticking with that after following install instructions for another app kept complaining about bookworm errors. Perhaps the Debian version was too new?..\n
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            > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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            lol, no. PEBKAC
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        +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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      +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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      You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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      Anyway, I took another shot at it and it still happened. I downloaded the 12.4.0 net install that is on the front page of debian.org. Installed two different times in Virtualbox, once using the graphical and once using the CLI install, using two different mirrors. I unchecked Gnome and ticked LXDE during installation (as I did before), because that is the DE I wanted. I would hope that would not change bashrc settings. Tried sudoing and got the exact same error. ![](https://i.imgur.com/dhFnLgc.png)\n
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      Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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              I tried installing Debian recently as well but didn’t get too far into it. I was annoyed at the base configuration* though. I wasn’t able to use sudo, so I went to add myself to the sudo group and it told me the command didn’t exist… I looked it up and realised that `/usr/sbin`* wasn’t on terminal path. Extremely fixable but something I never ran into on other distros, made me nervous how many other tweaks I may have to do.\n
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            > I looked it up and realised that /usr/bin wasn’t on the bashrc path.\n
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            lol, no. PEBKAC
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        +body: "Well, I don’t know what to tell you when I had just installed and the system tells me the command does not exist, so I look up the error and adding the path to bashrc fixed the issue. The only PATH export in that bashrc file is the one I added after searching the issue."
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      +body: "*Well*, I don’t know what kind of mess you made on your machine, nonetheless I find it mind-boggling your assumption that one of the most used/derived distros in the world exits the installation with such an error without anyone noticing/fixing it. That said, glad you fixed it, and for the affection I feel for the Debian project, even happier that you are not a user of it :P"
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      You don’t need to be defensive about this. I’m just sharing my experience, I’m not trying to insult Debian or it’s maintainers. And yes I believe anything can happen considering the crazy bugs I have seen get shipped. Windows wiping One Drive files, multiple Steam bugs on Linux that can wipe your system, etc. Or it may be my choices during install, but it is still unusual compared to all of my Ubuntu installs.\n
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      Here’s the generated .bashrc which I **have not touched**.\n
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  +body: "also let’s be curious about the things we copy-paste in order to prove whatever theory: in literally the first line of your bashrc *non-login shells* are named. What are those non-login? If we need to defined them like that, do also we have a `non-non-login` ones? How do they get executed? How do they get initialized? Let’s explore and understand some new stuff (that we should have learned already, but who cares, it’s not our job!)"
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    We’re exactly on the same page: “the tool is not the goal”. The only difference may be that I see chosing options for an app as options for a tool. If I want to cut wood or metal I need a different saw. Even though the tool is basically the same it doesn’t serve the same purpose. Hence I configure options once and for all, like I would consider which hardware I need exactly in terms of use, ergonomic, power… before buying it.  \n
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        Right. Actually one of the things I love about Linux is that it offers so many options so you can make your own combination to create the perfect system for your specific needs.  \n
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      The problem I have with customization options is that I don’t want to customize it, and when I go looking for a setting to change, I don’t want to be drowning in options that I’ll never use. The way I always thought about it is when I buy a saw or a hammer, I go straight to using it. I don’t customize my saw or hammer. That’s not why I buy them. I buy them to build things with them. The tool is not the end goal. Similarly, the DE is not the end goal. I want to spend time getting work done, not spend time customizing my environment.\n
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    We’re exactly on the same page: “the tool is not the goal”. The only difference may be that I see chosing options for an app as options for a tool. If I want to cut wood or metal I need a different saw. Even though the tool is basically the same it doesn’t serve the same purpose. Hence I configure options once and for all, like I would consider which hardware I need exactly in terms of use, ergonomic, power… before buying it.  \n
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        Right. Actually one of the things I love about Linux is that it offers so many options so you can make your own combination to create the perfect system for your specific needs.  \n
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      The problem I have with customization options is that I don’t want to customize it, and when I go looking for a setting to change, I don’t want to be drowning in options that I’ll never use. The way I always thought about it is when I buy a saw or a hammer, I go straight to using it. I don’t customize my saw or hammer. That’s not why I buy them. I buy them to build things with them. The tool is not the end goal. Similarly, the DE is not the end goal. I want to spend time getting work done, not spend time customizing my environment.\n
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    We’re exactly on the same page: “the tool is not the goal”. The only difference may be that I see chosing options for an app as options for a tool. If I want to cut wood or metal I need a different saw. Even though the tool is basically the same it doesn’t serve the same purpose. Hence I configure options once and for all, like I would consider which hardware I need exactly in terms of use, ergonomic, power… before buying it.  \n
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      > I see. I guess my point was they exist for a reason, as the default target of one zone handsover to the next zone (target) and then its target, in order to handle traffic not in your zone rules.\n
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