GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/m/linux@lemmy.ml/t/12367/Canonical-lifts-lid-on-more-Ubuntu-Core-Desktop-details

Response
200 OK
IP
18.191.254.139
Profiled on
Token
258507

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
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  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
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Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
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  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
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  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
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  -registered: false
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  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
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 0.16 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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 0.04 ms (none) 
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  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
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}
 0.00 ms (none) 
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  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
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      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      ### Related Communities\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
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      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
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      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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Show voter details
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    > “like Android/ios”\n
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    > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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        > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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        > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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        > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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    Forget selling it.  \n
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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      Forget selling it.  \n
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    How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
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              I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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            > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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        Forget selling it.  \n
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      How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
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              I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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            > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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        Forget selling it.  \n
        I think they’re going to get everyone trapped in the ecosystem, and then they’ll start charging for access to the source.
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      How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
      This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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                As the article says, it could well be the thing that actually justifies Canonical’s dogged perseverance with snaps in the first place.
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              I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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            > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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        Forget selling it.  \n
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                  I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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              > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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              No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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          Forget selling it.  \n
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        How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
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                I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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              > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                  I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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              > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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          Forget selling it.  \n
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        How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
        This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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                  I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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            Forget selling it.  \n
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          How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
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                  I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            Forget selling it.  \n
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                  I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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            Forget selling it.  \n
            I think they’re going to get everyone trapped in the ecosystem, and then they’ll start charging for access to the source.
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          How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
          This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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    > Then I guess it’s a good thing they don’t control all other Linux distros.\n
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                    I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                  > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                  No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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              Forget selling it.  \n
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            How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
            This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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      > Then I guess it’s a good thing they don’t control all other Linux distros.\n
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                    I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                  > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                  No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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              Forget selling it.  \n
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            How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
            This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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      > Then I guess it’s a good thing they don’t control all other Linux distros.\n
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                    I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                  > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                  No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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              Forget selling it.  \n
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            How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
            This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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      > Then I guess it’s a good thing they don’t control all other Linux distros.\n
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                        I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                        As the article says, it could well be the thing that actually justifies Canonical’s dogged perseverance with snaps in the first place.
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                      I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                    > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                    No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                +body: "Exactly. I feel they want to sell it to a big player, but no big player will touch it unless they can fully control it. Hence snap as part of that plan. Ubuntu is a hell no for me."
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                Forget selling it.  \n
                I think they’re going to get everyone trapped in the ecosystem, and then they’ll start charging for access to the source.
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              How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
              This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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        > Then I guess it’s a good thing they don’t control all other Linux distros.\n
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        But they would to a degree if the Snap Store would actually succeed becoming the Linux app store (like Steam is for games but that’s more because all other vendors don’t care to make a Linux client).
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                        I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                      I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                    > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                    No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                Forget selling it.  \n
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              How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
              This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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        > Then I guess it’s a good thing they don’t control all other Linux distros.\n
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                        I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                        As the article says, it could well be the thing that actually justifies Canonical’s dogged perseverance with snaps in the first place.
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                      I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                    > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                    No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                Forget selling it.  \n
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              How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
              This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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                          I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                        I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                      > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                      No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                  Forget selling it.  \n
                  I think they’re going to get everyone trapped in the ecosystem, and then they’ll start charging for access to the source.
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                How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
                This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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                        I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
                        But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?
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                      > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                      No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                  Forget selling it.  \n
                  I think they’re going to get everyone trapped in the ecosystem, and then they’ll start charging for access to the source.
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                How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
                This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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          > Then I guess it’s a good thing they don’t control all other Linux distros.\n
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          But they would to a degree if the Snap Store would actually succeed becoming the Linux app store (like Steam is for games but that’s more because all other vendors don’t care to make a Linux client).
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                          I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                          As the article says, it could well be the thing that actually justifies Canonical’s dogged perseverance with snaps in the first place.
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                        I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
                        But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?
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                      > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                      No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                      Therefore: Fuck Snap.
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                  Forget selling it.  \n
                  I think they’re going to get everyone trapped in the ecosystem, and then they’ll start charging for access to the source.
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                How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
                This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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          > Then I guess it’s a good thing they don’t control all other Linux distros.\n
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          But they would to a degree if the Snap Store would actually succeed becoming the Linux app store (like Steam is for games but that’s more because all other vendors don’t care to make a Linux client).
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                    I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                  I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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            Forget selling it.  \n
            I think they’re going to get everyone trapped in the ecosystem, and then they’ll start charging for access to the source.
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          How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
          This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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                  I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            Forget selling it.  \n
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                    I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                  I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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            Forget selling it.  \n
            I think they’re going to get everyone trapped in the ecosystem, and then they’ll start charging for access to the source.
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          How would they trap everyone in the ecosystem?  \n
          This isn’t Apple, there’s a gajillon other ways of getting software you can use on every single linux distro.
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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      Forget selling it.  \n
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            I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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      Forget selling it.  \n
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    From reading this that’s not the whole story. Someone working at canonical successfully made a version of snap that could use alternative stores, but the default version does not allow it\n
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        > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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    From reading this that’s not the whole story. Someone working at canonical successfully made a version of snap that could use alternative stores, but the default version does not allow it\n
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        > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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        > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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        Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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        > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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        Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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      From reading this that’s not the whole story. Someone working at canonical successfully made a version of snap that could use alternative stores, but the default version does not allow it\n
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            > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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          > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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          Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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                I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                As the article says, it could well be the thing that actually justifies Canonical’s dogged perseverance with snaps in the first place.
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              I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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            > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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          > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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          Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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              I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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            > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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          > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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          Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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        From reading this that’s not the whole story. Someone working at canonical successfully made a version of snap that could use alternative stores, but the default version does not allow it\n
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        > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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      > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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        > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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        > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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        Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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    You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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    This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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            I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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        > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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        Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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    You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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    This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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    In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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          > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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    You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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    This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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                I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                As the article says, it could well be the thing that actually justifies Canonical’s dogged perseverance with snaps in the first place.
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              I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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            > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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          > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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          Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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      You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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      This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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      In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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              I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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            > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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          > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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      You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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                I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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              I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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            > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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          > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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          Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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      You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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      This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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                  I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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              > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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            Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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        You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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                  I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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              > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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            Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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        You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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                I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
                But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?
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              > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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            > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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            Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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        You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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        This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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        In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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                > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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              > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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              Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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          You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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          This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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          In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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                > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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              > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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              Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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          You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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          This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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          In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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                > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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              > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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              Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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          You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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          This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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          In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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                  > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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                Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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            You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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            This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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            In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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                    I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                  > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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                Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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            You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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            This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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            In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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                      I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                    I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                  > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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                Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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            You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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            This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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            In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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                        I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                        As the article says, it could well be the thing that actually justifies Canonical’s dogged perseverance with snaps in the first place.
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                      I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                    > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                    No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                  > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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                  Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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              You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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              This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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              In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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    I was referring to snapd, which is the thing that actually has the hard limit on a single repository. That’s fully open source (and there’s one major fork of it out in the wild, in the form of Ubuntu Touch’s click). The tooling for creating snap packages is also all open source.\n
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                        I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                        As the article says, it could well be the thing that actually justifies Canonical’s dogged perseverance with snaps in the first place.
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                      I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                    > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                    No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                  > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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                  Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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              You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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              This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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              In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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    I was referring to snapd, which is the thing that actually has the hard limit on a single repository. That’s fully open source (and there’s one major fork of it out in the wild, in the form of Ubuntu Touch’s click). The tooling for creating snap packages is also all open source.\n
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    The APIs which snapd uses to interact with its repo are also open source. While there’s no turnkey Snap Store code for cloning the existing website, it’s pretty trivial to slap those APIs on a bog standard file server if you just want to host a repo.\n
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    Not open-sourcing the website code is a dick move, but there’s nothing about the current set up that would act as an obstacle for anyone wanting to fork snap *if that’s what they wanted to do*. It’s just with flatpak existing, there’s not a lot of point in doing so right now.
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                        I know this thread is likely to quickly descend into 50 variants of “ew, snap”, but it’s a good write up of what is really a pretty interesting novel approach to the immutable desktop world.\n
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                        As the article says, it could well be the thing that actually justifies Canonical’s dogged perseverance with snaps in the first place.
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                      I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                    > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                    No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                  > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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                  Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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              You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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              This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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              In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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    I was referring to snapd, which is the thing that actually has the hard limit on a single repository. That’s fully open source (and there’s one major fork of it out in the wild, in the form of Ubuntu Touch’s click). The tooling for creating snap packages is also all open source.\n
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                    I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                  > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                  No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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                > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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                Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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            You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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                    I actually don’t understand the issue people have with Snaps. The main gripe seems to be “It’s controlled by Canonical”.  \n
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                  > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                  No. You can add any other repository to apt, rpm, Flatpak, etc. You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software, hoping that all developers have no alternative but to publish software on the Snap store (ideally only there) which works best on Ubuntu.\n
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            You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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                  > But why is it an issue that Canonical controls a source of software for their own OS? Isn’t that the same with every distro’s repository?\n
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                > You cannot do the same with Snap and that’s by design. Canonical wants to be the sole gatekeeper of Linux software\n
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                Then why did they publish source code and documentation for all parts of it, so you can [create your own snap store](https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/10/snap_without_ubuntu_tools/)?
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            You can; the issue is that you can’t add two snap repositories at once.\n
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            This is functionally pretty much the same thing, as nobody is likely to want to use snap while locking themselves out of the main snap repository, but it’s still important to make the distinction.\n
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            In theory I guess there’s nothing stopping you setting up a mirror of the main snap repo with automatic package scraping, but nobody’s really bothered exploring it seeing as no distro other than Ubuntu has taken any interest in running snap.
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