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Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name

Security enabled

Stateless

Configuration

Key	Value
provider	security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context	main
entry_point	App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker	App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler	(none)
access_denied_url	(none)
authenticators	[`"two_factor" "remember_me" "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator" "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator" "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator" "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator" "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"`]

Listeners

Listener	Duration	Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723`-map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …} -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -httpPort: 80 -httpsPort: 443`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …} -sessionKey: "_security_main" -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …} -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …} -registered: false -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …} -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}}	0.24 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584`-authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582`-twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …} -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}`}	0.04 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …} -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -options: [ "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token" "csrf_token_id" => "logout" "logout_path" => "app_logout" ] -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …} -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …} -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy


"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

#	Voter class
1	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2	"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5	"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6	"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7	"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8	"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9	"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10	"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11	"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12	"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13	"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14	"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log


null
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2309
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2661 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2301 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2612 …}
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  +url: null
  +body: """
    How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
    \n
    **example:** I’d love to switch to Signal only but everyone I know only uses WhatsApp. I’ve mentioned switching to people in the past but it’s always the same response (I don’t have anything to hide)
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 57
  +favouriteCount: 64
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1722499106 {#2711
    date: 2024-08-01 09:58:26.0 +02:00
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  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
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  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2719 …}
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  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2723 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2725 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2727 …}
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      +user: App\Entity\User {#265 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2309 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2301 …}
      +image: null
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      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2297 …}
      +body: "Open street map data is created by volunteers. Where I live, you can practically put in any address into OsmAnd and it’ll know it. Maybe you live too far out. Or there aren’t enough people contributing in your area. Putting in the house numbers is a tedious task."
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        "@shortwavesurfer@monero.town"
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        date: 2023-12-01 11:52:16.0 +01:00
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      +image: null
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      +score: 0
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        date: 2023-12-01 16:47:08.0 +01:00
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      +ip: null
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        "@h3ndrik@feddit.de"
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      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1702523397 {#2317
        date: 2023-12-14 04:09:57.0 +01:00
      }
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        date: 2023-12-01 16:47:08.0 +01:00
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  +editedAt: null
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    date: 2023-12-01 01:36:11.0 +01:00
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}
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2309
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2661 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2301 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2612 …}
  +slug: "Switching-to-more-privacy-friendly-alternatives"
  +title: "Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
    \n
    **example:** I’d love to switch to Signal only but everyone I know only uses WhatsApp. I’ve mentioned switching to people in the past but it’s always the same response (I don’t have anything to hide)
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 57
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  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1722499106 {#2711
    date: 2024-08-01 09:58:26.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2716 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2719 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2721 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2723 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2725 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2727 …}
  +children: [
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2291
      +user: App\Entity\User {#265 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2309 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2301 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2302 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2297 …}
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      +isAdult: false
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      +score: 0
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        date: 2023-12-01 11:52:16.0 +01:00
      }
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      +tags: null
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        "@governorkeagan@lemdro.id"
        "@hperrin@lemmy.world"
        "@GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org"
        "@shortwavesurfer@monero.town"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2320 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2322 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2312 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2307 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2308 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2304 …}
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      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1702492543 {#2298
        date: 2023-12-13 19:35:43.0 +01:00
      }
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        date: 2023-12-01 11:52:16.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 184360
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2309 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2301 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2316 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2297 …}
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      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
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      +score: 0
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        date: 2023-12-01 16:47:08.0 +01:00
      }
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      +tags: null
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        "@hperrin@lemmy.world"
        "@GenderNeutralBro@lemmy.sdf.org"
        "@shortwavesurfer@monero.town"
        "@h3ndrik@feddit.de"
      ]
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      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2282 …}
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    date: 2023-12-01 01:36:11.0 +01:00
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}
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2301 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2612 …}
  +slug: "Switching-to-more-privacy-friendly-alternatives"
  +title: "Switching to more privacy friendly alternatives"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    How have others gotten friends/family to make the switch? I’ve been doing a cleanup of my digital life over the last year or so and am trying to move to using more privacy friendly alternatives where possible.\n
    \n
    **example:** I’d love to switch to Signal only but everyone I know only uses WhatsApp. I’ve mentioned switching to people in the past but it’s always the same response (I don’t have anything to hide)
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
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  +hasEmbed: false
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    date: 2024-08-01 09:58:26.0 +02:00
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  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2727 …}
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2309 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2301 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2302 …}
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        date: 2023-12-01 11:52:16.0 +01:00
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        date: 2023-12-01 11:52:16.0 +01:00
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      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2316 …}
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    Maybe you want one of the turnkey solutions. There are several solutions that offer you a NAS box with everything pre-configured and a management web-interface. Assembling a RAID and creating a network share is just a few clicks with those. And they should come with documentation.\n
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    Two questions.\n
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    My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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        That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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        That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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          I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
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          You could use something like:\n
          \n
          [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
          \n
          and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
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          Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
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          [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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          I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
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          I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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        I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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        So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
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        And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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        Thx for the additional links!\n
        \n
        I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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        Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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        But it’s different now.
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    Two questions.\n
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    My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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    “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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    First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
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    Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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        That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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        That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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          I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
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          You could use something like:\n
          \n
          [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
          \n
          and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
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          Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
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          [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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          I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
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          I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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        I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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        So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
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        And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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        Thx for the additional links!\n
        \n
        I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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        Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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        But it’s different now.
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  +slug: "A-question-about-secure-chats"
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    Two questions.\n
    \n
    My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
    \n
    “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
    \n
    First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
    \n
    Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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        That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
        \n
        That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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          I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
          \n
          You could use something like:\n
          \n
          [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
          \n
          and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
          \n
          Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
          \n
          [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
          \n
          I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
          \n
          I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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        I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
        \n
        So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
        \n
        And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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        Thx for the additional links!\n
        \n
        I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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        Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
        \n
        But it’s different now.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
      \n
      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
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      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
            \n
            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
            \n
            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
            \n
            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
            \n
            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
          \n
          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
          \n
          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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          But it’s different now.
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    That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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    That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
      \n
      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
      \n
      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
      \n
      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
            \n
            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
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            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
            \n
            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
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            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
          \n
          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
          \n
          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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          But it’s different now.
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    That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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    That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
      \n
      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
            \n
            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
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            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
            \n
            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
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            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
          \n
          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
          \n
          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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          But it’s different now.
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    That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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    That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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      Two questions.\n
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
            \n
            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
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            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
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            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
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            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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          But it’s different now.
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    I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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    So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
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    And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
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            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
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            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
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            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
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            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
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            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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          But it’s different now.
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    I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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    So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
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    And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
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      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
          \n
          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
            \n
            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
            \n
            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
            \n
            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
            \n
            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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          But it’s different now.
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    I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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    So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
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    And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
      \n
      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
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      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
            \n
            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
            \n
            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
            \n
            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
            \n
            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
            \n
            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
          \n
          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
          \n
          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
          \n
          But it’s different now.
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    Thx for the additional links!\n
    \n
    I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
      \n
      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
      \n
      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
      \n
      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
          \n
          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
            \n
            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
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            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
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            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
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            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
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          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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    Thx for the additional links!\n
    \n
    I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
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            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
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            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
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            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
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            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
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            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
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            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
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          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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          But it’s different now.
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    Thx for the additional links!\n
    \n
    I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
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      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
            \n
            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
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            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
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            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
            \n
            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
            \n
            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
          \n
          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
          \n
          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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    Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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    But it’s different now.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
      \n
      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
      \n
      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
          \n
          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
            \n
            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
            \n
            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
            \n
            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
            \n
            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
            \n
            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
          \n
          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
          \n
          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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    Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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    But it’s different now.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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            I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
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            You could use something like:\n
            \n
            [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
            \n
            and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
            \n
            Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
            \n
            [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
            \n
            I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
            \n
            I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
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          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
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          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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    Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
    \n
    But it’s different now.
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
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      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
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          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
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          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
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          But it’s different now.
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    I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
    \n
    You could use something like:\n
    \n
    [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
    \n
    and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
    \n
    Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
    \n
    [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
    \n
    I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
    \n
    I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
    """
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    +slug: "A-question-about-secure-chats"
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      Two questions.\n
      \n
      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
      \n
      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
      \n
      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
      \n
      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
          \n
          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
          \n
          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
          \n
          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
          \n
          But it’s different now.
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    I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
    \n
    You could use something like:\n
    \n
    [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
    \n
    and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
    \n
    Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
    \n
    [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
    \n
    I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
    \n
    I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
    """
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    +slug: "A-question-about-secure-chats"
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      Two questions.\n
      \n
      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
      \n
      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
      \n
      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
      \n
      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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          That’s not correct. WA claims to use end-to-end encryption. I have no reason to doubt that. It probably arrives encrypted at the servers, not as clear-text.\n
          \n
          That’d also align with the business-model of big tech. They do lots of things with meta-data. And algorithms can infer lots of important things just by looking at that. I wouldn’t be surprised if they really don’t care about the exact content of WA messages.
          """
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          I don’t want to sound overly negative here. But that idea is more a hypothetical proposal “we should do something about it” at this point. There is a working group [mimi](https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/mimi/about/). But not even a draft or technical proposal, yet. And interoperability is hard, and they also want to come up with a solution that makes it secure, the messages confidential and maybe grant anonymous access. These problems aren’t solved at all as of today. On top you have to deal with spam, malicious servers, users, lawful interception and all kinds of things in a distributed platform. Then they need to come up with a text for the regulation. Write it, discuss and do several revisions, debate it. And there will be lobbyism against it and court cases because it cuts into the business model of large companies. Then it has to be adopted into national legislation and it will get a grace period.\n
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          So if you want to wait 'til 2029 (or so) to reply to your mom, go ahead and wait for the EU. I don’t have a crystal ball to be sure, but I highly doubt that this will happen in the next few years.\n
          \n
          And on top, there is no guarantee that it turns out good or usable in the first place. There is a lot of lobbyism happening in the EU. Especially by big tech. They’ll find a way to make it a thing that just connects Apple, Meta and Google and exclude independant or secure services.
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          Thx for the additional links!\n
          \n
          I’m curious what Meta is going to unveil. Usually big tech companies get ahead of legislation, in order to set a standard they like, or to prevent possible more strict regulation from happening. We see the same thing with AI and practically everything the big tech companies lobby for. I’m a bit wary.
          """
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          Yeah. I think they partnered with the makers of Signal and took the encryption from Signal back in 2014 or 2015. I still remember the first of my friends adopting WA and it had zero encryption or protection against impersonating people. I used XMPP (Jabber) back then and just shook my head.\n
          \n
          But it’s different now.
          """
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    I case they’re set on WhatsApp:\n
    \n
    You could use something like:\n
    \n
    [github.com/mautrix/whatsapp](https://github.com/mautrix/whatsapp)\n
    \n
    and bridge WA to a secure Matrix server of your choice. That way you can have a secure environment and they can use whatever they like.\n
    \n
    Here is an overview table about messengers, in case you want to compare them and have more arguments in the discussion:\n
    \n
    [www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html](https://www.messenger-matrix.de/messenger-matrix-en.html)\n
    \n
    I wouldn’t consider WA secure. They do tracking, they have your phone numbers and those of all of your friends and know exactly who you talk to, when, and how often. Even if they don’t know the content of the message because it’s encrypted, that’s a lot of information for the algorithm to feed on. Apart from that, I’m not sure if they have access to the encryption keys. They might be able to decrypt everything if they want.\n
    \n
    I’m sure someone wrote a lengthy blog article about WA. But unless someone does a proper security audit including where the encryption keys are stored and the implications of that and how extra features like breaking encryption in case someone flags an inappropriate post turns out… The ‘it’s safe’ is just a claim by your brother or Meta. You’re free to believe in anything you want. But it’s not necessarily true.
    """
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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  +slug: "details-summary-HTML-tags-treated-as-literals-BUG-or-SUE"
  +title: "details-summary HTML tags treated as literals (~~BUG or~~ SUE)"
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  +body: """
    I have noticed that some posts on some Lemmy instances created by others have successfully made use of the **details/summary** tags which gives an arrow that expands.\n
    \n
    When I [tried it here](https://slrpnk.net/post/4470763), the tags are just literally printed. Am I doing something wrong (i.e. stupid user error), or is this functionality instance or version dependent?
    """
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        I think you need to use Markdown and not bracketed tags.\n
        \n
        Try the spoiler format:\n
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        [join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html)\n
        \n
        You can also have a look at how other people did it. There should be a button somewhere to view the source text of any post or comment. In the Lemmy web-interface this button is hidden behind the three dots icon.
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    I have noticed that some posts on some Lemmy instances created by others have successfully made use of the **details/summary** tags which gives an arrow that expands.\n
    \n
    When I [tried it here](https://slrpnk.net/post/4470763), the tags are just literally printed. Am I doing something wrong (i.e. stupid user error), or is this functionality instance or version dependent?
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        I think you need to use Markdown and not bracketed tags.\n
        \n
        Try the spoiler format:\n
        \n
        [join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html)\n
        \n
        You can also have a look at how other people did it. There should be a button somewhere to view the source text of any post or comment. In the Lemmy web-interface this button is hidden behind the three dots icon.
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    I have noticed that some posts on some Lemmy instances created by others have successfully made use of the **details/summary** tags which gives an arrow that expands.\n
    \n
    When I [tried it here](https://slrpnk.net/post/4470763), the tags are just literally printed. Am I doing something wrong (i.e. stupid user error), or is this functionality instance or version dependent?
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        I think you need to use Markdown and not bracketed tags.\n
        \n
        Try the spoiler format:\n
        \n
        [join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html)\n
        \n
        You can also have a look at how other people did it. There should be a button somewhere to view the source text of any post or comment. In the Lemmy web-interface this button is hidden behind the three dots icon.
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      I have noticed that some posts on some Lemmy instances created by others have successfully made use of the **details/summary** tags which gives an arrow that expands.\n
      \n
      When I [tried it here](https://slrpnk.net/post/4470763), the tags are just literally printed. Am I doing something wrong (i.e. stupid user error), or is this functionality instance or version dependent?
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    I think you need to use Markdown and not bracketed tags.\n
    \n
    Try the spoiler format:\n
    \n
    [join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html)\n
    \n
    You can also have a look at how other people did it. There should be a button somewhere to view the source text of any post or comment. In the Lemmy web-interface this button is hidden behind the three dots icon.
    """
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      I have noticed that some posts on some Lemmy instances created by others have successfully made use of the **details/summary** tags which gives an arrow that expands.\n
      \n
      When I [tried it here](https://slrpnk.net/post/4470763), the tags are just literally printed. Am I doing something wrong (i.e. stupid user error), or is this functionality instance or version dependent?
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    I think you need to use Markdown and not bracketed tags.\n
    \n
    Try the spoiler format:\n
    \n
    [join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/users/02-media.html)\n
    \n
    You can also have a look at how other people did it. There should be a button somewhere to view the source text of any post or comment. In the Lemmy web-interface this button is hidden behind the three dots icon.
    """
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        I don’t think so. I can’t find any good information about those new ‘open-source’ kernel modules in any of the Linux wikis. Just news articles from 2022. Something isn’t right there. It’s either a marketing stunt and nothing changed or something else. I would dig deeper if I were you.\n
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        Intel Arc got really bad performance reviews. It’s not worth spending lots of money on them. But fortunately they’re cheap because the gamers don’t buy them (for that reason). I live with the iGPU that’s part of my CPU. It’s alright since I don’t play modern games anyways.\n
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        But you missed AMD. There are some laptops available with the Ryzen 7040 series and it seems to be a fast CPU. They also made the integrated graphics way faster than before, albeit probably still not on the level for proper gaming. But I bet there are desktop replacements out there that combine it with an AMD GPU.
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    I don’t think so. I can’t find any good information about those new ‘open-source’ kernel modules in any of the Linux wikis. Just news articles from 2022. Something isn’t right there. It’s either a marketing stunt and nothing changed or something else. I would dig deeper if I were you.\n
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    Intel Arc got really bad performance reviews. It’s not worth spending lots of money on them. But fortunately they’re cheap because the gamers don’t buy them (for that reason). I live with the iGPU that’s part of my CPU. It’s alright since I don’t play modern games anyways.\n
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    But you missed AMD. There are some laptops available with the Ryzen 7040 series and it seems to be a fast CPU. They also made the integrated graphics way faster than before, albeit probably still not on the level for proper gaming. But I bet there are desktop replacements out there that combine it with an AMD GPU.
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      Wow. 1983 was the year they launched [Bildschirmtext](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildschirmtext) here. I remember my dad doing banking stuff with that in the 90s. What kind of services were available in Ottawa at that time? [Telidon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telidon)? Wikipedia says it closed in 1985.\n
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      Wow. 1983 was the year they launched [Bildschirmtext](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildschirmtext) here. I remember my dad doing banking stuff with that in the 90s. What kind of services were available in Ottawa at that time? [Telidon](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telidon)? Wikipedia says it closed in 1985.\n
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