GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/u/@acchariya@lemmy.world/active

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.194
Profiled on
Token
2d96b9

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 0.70 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.04 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1620
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2470 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1621 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1732 …}
  +slug: "How-are-you-all-making-it-right-now-with-grocery"
  +title: "How are you all making it right now with grocery store prices?"
  +url: null
  +body: "I don’t know how they think we’re all going to survive with these prices."
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 108
  +favouriteCount: 223
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1729574713 {#1402
    date: 2024-10-22 07:25:13.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1404 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2024 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2018 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2011 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2021 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2029 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1613
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1620 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1621 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: "Spending a few hundred a week for the two of us to eat a basic equivalent diet to that available in Europe. I brought back all my shampoo, body wash, moisturizers, etc in a 50 lb suitcase which I loaded up at carrefour on my last trip to France."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 5
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1706489901 {#1596
        date: 2024-01-29 01:58:21.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@return2ozma@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1555 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1556 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1554 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1562 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1566 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1548 …}
      -id: 348480
      -bodyTs: "'50':35 'avail':20 'back':25 'basic':15 'bodi':29 'brought':24 'carrefour':43 'diet':17 'eat':13 'equival':16 'etc':32 'europ':22 'franc':49 'hundr':4 'last':46 'lb':36 'load':40 'moistur':31 'shampoo':28 'spend':1 'suitcas':37 'trip':47 'two':9 'us':11 'wash':30 'week':6"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemmy.world/comment/7114066"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706489901 {#1604
        date: 2024-01-29 01:58:21.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 348480
    }
  ]
  -id: 33728
  -titleTs: "'groceri':10 'make':5 'price':12 'right':7 'store':11"
  -bodyTs: "'go':11 'know':4 'price':16 're':9 'surviv':13 'think':7"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1706570895
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/11307754"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706484495 {#2462
    date: 2024-01-29 00:28:15.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1620
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2470 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1621 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1732 …}
  +slug: "How-are-you-all-making-it-right-now-with-grocery"
  +title: "How are you all making it right now with grocery store prices?"
  +url: null
  +body: "I don’t know how they think we’re all going to survive with these prices."
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 108
  +favouriteCount: 223
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1729574713 {#1402
    date: 2024-10-22 07:25:13.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1404 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2024 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2018 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2011 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2021 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2029 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1613
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1620 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1621 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: "Spending a few hundred a week for the two of us to eat a basic equivalent diet to that available in Europe. I brought back all my shampoo, body wash, moisturizers, etc in a 50 lb suitcase which I loaded up at carrefour on my last trip to France."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 5
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1706489901 {#1596
        date: 2024-01-29 01:58:21.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@return2ozma@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1555 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1556 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1554 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1562 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1566 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1548 …}
      -id: 348480
      -bodyTs: "'50':35 'avail':20 'back':25 'basic':15 'bodi':29 'brought':24 'carrefour':43 'diet':17 'eat':13 'equival':16 'etc':32 'europ':22 'franc':49 'hundr':4 'last':46 'lb':36 'load':40 'moistur':31 'shampoo':28 'spend':1 'suitcas':37 'trip':47 'two':9 'us':11 'wash':30 'week':6"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemmy.world/comment/7114066"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706489901 {#1604
        date: 2024-01-29 01:58:21.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 348480
    }
  ]
  -id: 33728
  -titleTs: "'groceri':10 'make':5 'price':12 'right':7 'store':11"
  -bodyTs: "'go':11 'know':4 'price':16 're':9 'surviv':13 'think':7"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1706570895
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/11307754"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706484495 {#2462
    date: 2024-01-29 00:28:15.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1620
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2470 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1621 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1732 …}
  +slug: "How-are-you-all-making-it-right-now-with-grocery"
  +title: "How are you all making it right now with grocery store prices?"
  +url: null
  +body: "I don’t know how they think we’re all going to survive with these prices."
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 108
  +favouriteCount: 223
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1729574713 {#1402
    date: 2024-10-22 07:25:13.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1404 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2024 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2018 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2011 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2021 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2029 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1613
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1620 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1621 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: "Spending a few hundred a week for the two of us to eat a basic equivalent diet to that available in Europe. I brought back all my shampoo, body wash, moisturizers, etc in a 50 lb suitcase which I loaded up at carrefour on my last trip to France."
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 5
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1706489901 {#1596
        date: 2024-01-29 01:58:21.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@return2ozma@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1555 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1556 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1554 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1562 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1566 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1548 …}
      -id: 348480
      -bodyTs: "'50':35 'avail':20 'back':25 'basic':15 'bodi':29 'brought':24 'carrefour':43 'diet':17 'eat':13 'equival':16 'etc':32 'europ':22 'franc':49 'hundr':4 'last':46 'lb':36 'load':40 'moistur':31 'shampoo':28 'spend':1 'suitcas':37 'trip':47 'two':9 'us':11 'wash':30 'week':6"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemmy.world/comment/7114066"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706489901 {#1604
        date: 2024-01-29 01:58:21.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 348480
    }
  ]
  -id: 33728
  -titleTs: "'groceri':10 'make':5 'price':12 'right':7 'store':11"
  -bodyTs: "'go':11 'know':4 'price':16 're':9 'surviv':13 'think':7"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1706570895
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/11307754"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706484495 {#2462
    date: 2024-01-29 00:28:15.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
6 DENIED moderate 
App\Entity\EntryComment {#1613
  +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
  +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1620
    +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2470 …}
    +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1621 …}
    +image: null
    +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1732 …}
    +slug: "How-are-you-all-making-it-right-now-with-grocery"
    +title: "How are you all making it right now with grocery store prices?"
    +url: null
    +body: "I don’t know how they think we’re all going to survive with these prices."
    +type: "article"
    +lang: "en"
    +isOc: false
    +hasEmbed: false
    +commentCount: 108
    +favouriteCount: 223
    +score: 0
    +isAdult: false
    +sticky: false
    +lastActive: DateTime @1729574713 {#1402
      date: 2024-10-22 07:25:13.0 +02:00
    }
    +ip: null
    +adaAmount: 0
    +tags: null
    +mentions: null
    +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1404 …}
    +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2024 …}
    +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2018 …}
    +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2011 …}
    +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2021 …}
    +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2029 …}
    +children: [
      App\Entity\EntryComment {#1613}
    ]
    -id: 33728
    -titleTs: "'groceri':10 'make':5 'price':12 'right':7 'store':11"
    -bodyTs: "'go':11 'know':4 'price':16 're':9 'surviv':13 'think':7"
    +cross: false
    +upVotes: 0
    +downVotes: 0
    +ranking: 1706570895
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/11307754"
    +editedAt: null
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706484495 {#2462
      date: 2024-01-29 00:28:15.0 +01:00
    }
    +__isInitialized__: true
     …2
  }
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1621 …}
  +image: null
  +parent: null
  +root: null
  +body: "Spending a few hundred a week for the two of us to eat a basic equivalent diet to that available in Europe. I brought back all my shampoo, body wash, moisturizers, etc in a 50 lb suitcase which I loaded up at carrefour on my last trip to France."
  +lang: "en"
  +isAdult: false
  +favouriteCount: 5
  +score: 0
  +lastActive: DateTime @1706489901 {#1596
    date: 2024-01-29 01:58:21.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +tags: null
  +mentions: [
    "@return2ozma@lemmy.world"
  ]
  +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1555 …}
  +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1556 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1554 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1562 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1566 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1548 …}
  -id: 348480
  -bodyTs: "'50':35 'avail':20 'back':25 'basic':15 'bodi':29 'brought':24 'carrefour':43 'diet':17 'eat':13 'equival':16 'etc':32 'europ':22 'franc':49 'hundr':4 'last':46 'lb':36 'load':40 'moistur':31 'shampoo':28 'spend':1 'suitcas':37 'trip':47 'two':9 'us':11 'wash':30 'week':6"
  +ranking: 0
  +commentCount: 0
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/comment/7114066"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706489901 {#1604
    date: 2024-01-29 01:58:21.0 +01:00
  }
  +"title": 348480
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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    I know this isn’t *strictly* piracy related, I apologise, but I think it is tangentally related in that piracy protects you from data theft by avoiding the services the biggest thieves operate. Also, I feel like people here might be very interested in this take.\n
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    Apparently, the “legal” data brokerage industry was worth $319 billion in 2021, and is predicted to be worth $545 billion in 2028.[^1]\n
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    Meanwhile, in 2021 there were only 7.9 billion people in the world[^2] - many of whom do not have internet access or have very little data being traded. If we generously assume 6 billion people have equal volumes of data being traded, that means **each person’s data is worth $53.17 per year on the market.**\n
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    Data is effectively stolen from people. We do not get anything in return for it. We may be offered access to a website free of charge, but that is a separate transaction - it is not appropriate for another transaction to be hidden in the fine print of the terms and conditions. When you buy insurance, the key terms have to be front and centre - you pay x, you get y service. Not “You can have y for free!!! ^(But^ ^also^ ^you^ ^give^ ^us^ ^x^ ^for^ ^free.)^” You’re supposed to be able to compare the value of the things being traded.\n
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    To run the other numbers to check, the global population in 2028 is predicted to be 8.4 billion - a growth of 6.329%. So our 6 billion population would become 6.38 billion, and with the $545 billion market value an individual’s data would be worth $85.43 on the market, or $65.71 to the individual. The value of user data is predicted to rise.\n
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    Obviously that 6 billion population figure I used is an approximation - a blind one at that. To give a worst case valuation for 2021, if we assume all 7.9 billion people equally have data being traded, then an individual’s data is worth $40.38 on the market, and $31.06 to the user. These are the minimum values, averaged evenly across the entire global population.\n
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    When Google and Facebook started out, data had very little value - there was no market for it. Thus it seemed reasonable to let them just take it, even if maybe it could be worth something. The service they offered was new and novel, a shiny new toy for everyone to play with. They then used this data to become some of the wealthiest businesses in the world. Now, even big players like Microsoft have joined in, in spite of the fact that their main products are paid products.\n
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    One form of bank fraud is where the criminal takes pennies out of multiple accounts, the idea being that people won’t notice such a small debit, and banks might write it off as some kind of error. This has been legislated against and proven illegal - yet these assholes take $40 each from *everyone* and get away with it!\n
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    [^1]:[knowledge-sourcing.com/…/global-data-broker-marke…](https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) Edit: lmao we broke it [web.archive.org/web/…/global-data-broker-market](https://web.archive.org/web/20240107042301/https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) …or did they maybe take it down?? /tinfoil Edit2: it’s back up lol [^2]:[www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/](https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/)
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    I know this isn’t *strictly* piracy related, I apologise, but I think it is tangentally related in that piracy protects you from data theft by avoiding the services the biggest thieves operate. Also, I feel like people here might be very interested in this take.\n
    \n
    Apparently, the “legal” data brokerage industry was worth $319 billion in 2021, and is predicted to be worth $545 billion in 2028.[^1]\n
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    Meanwhile, in 2021 there were only 7.9 billion people in the world[^2] - many of whom do not have internet access or have very little data being traded. If we generously assume 6 billion people have equal volumes of data being traded, that means **each person’s data is worth $53.17 per year on the market.**\n
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    Data is effectively stolen from people. We do not get anything in return for it. We may be offered access to a website free of charge, but that is a separate transaction - it is not appropriate for another transaction to be hidden in the fine print of the terms and conditions. When you buy insurance, the key terms have to be front and centre - you pay x, you get y service. Not “You can have y for free!!! ^(But^ ^also^ ^you^ ^give^ ^us^ ^x^ ^for^ ^free.)^” You’re supposed to be able to compare the value of the things being traded.\n
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    [^1]:[knowledge-sourcing.com/…/global-data-broker-marke…](https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) Edit: lmao we broke it [web.archive.org/web/…/global-data-broker-market](https://web.archive.org/web/20240107042301/https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) …or did they maybe take it down?? /tinfoil Edit2: it’s back up lol [^2]:[www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/](https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/)
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    I know this isn’t *strictly* piracy related, I apologise, but I think it is tangentally related in that piracy protects you from data theft by avoiding the services the biggest thieves operate. Also, I feel like people here might be very interested in this take.\n
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    Apparently, the “legal” data brokerage industry was worth $319 billion in 2021, and is predicted to be worth $545 billion in 2028.[^1]\n
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      I know this isn’t *strictly* piracy related, I apologise, but I think it is tangentally related in that piracy protects you from data theft by avoiding the services the biggest thieves operate. Also, I feel like people here might be very interested in this take.\n
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      Apparently, the “legal” data brokerage industry was worth $319 billion in 2021, and is predicted to be worth $545 billion in 2028.[^1]\n
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      Meanwhile, in 2021 there were only 7.9 billion people in the world[^2] - many of whom do not have internet access or have very little data being traded. If we generously assume 6 billion people have equal volumes of data being traded, that means **each person’s data is worth $53.17 per year on the market.**\n
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      I know this isn’t *strictly* piracy related, I apologise, but I think it is tangentally related in that piracy protects you from data theft by avoiding the services the biggest thieves operate. Also, I feel like people here might be very interested in this take.\n
      \n
      Apparently, the “legal” data brokerage industry was worth $319 billion in 2021, and is predicted to be worth $545 billion in 2028.[^1]\n
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      Meanwhile, in 2021 there were only 7.9 billion people in the world[^2] - many of whom do not have internet access or have very little data being traded. If we generously assume 6 billion people have equal volumes of data being traded, that means **each person’s data is worth $53.17 per year on the market.**\n
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      When Google and Facebook started out, data had very little value - there was no market for it. Thus it seemed reasonable to let them just take it, even if maybe it could be worth something. The service they offered was new and novel, a shiny new toy for everyone to play with. They then used this data to become some of the wealthiest businesses in the world. Now, even big players like Microsoft have joined in, in spite of the fact that their main products are paid products.\n
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      One form of bank fraud is where the criminal takes pennies out of multiple accounts, the idea being that people won’t notice such a small debit, and banks might write it off as some kind of error. This has been legislated against and proven illegal - yet these assholes take $40 each from *everyone* and get away with it!\n
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      [^1]:[knowledge-sourcing.com/…/global-data-broker-marke…](https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) Edit: lmao we broke it [web.archive.org/web/…/global-data-broker-market](https://web.archive.org/web/20240107042301/https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) …or did they maybe take it down?? /tinfoil Edit2: it’s back up lol [^2]:[www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/](https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/)
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      I know this isn’t *strictly* piracy related, I apologise, but I think it is tangentally related in that piracy protects you from data theft by avoiding the services the biggest thieves operate. Also, I feel like people here might be very interested in this take.\n
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      Apparently, the “legal” data brokerage industry was worth $319 billion in 2021, and is predicted to be worth $545 billion in 2028.[^1]\n
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      To run the other numbers to check, the global population in 2028 is predicted to be 8.4 billion - a growth of 6.329%. So our 6 billion population would become 6.38 billion, and with the $545 billion market value an individual’s data would be worth $85.43 on the market, or $65.71 to the individual. The value of user data is predicted to rise.\n
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      [^1]:[knowledge-sourcing.com/…/global-data-broker-marke…](https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) Edit: lmao we broke it [web.archive.org/web/…/global-data-broker-market](https://web.archive.org/web/20240107042301/https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) …or did they maybe take it down?? /tinfoil Edit2: it’s back up lol [^2]:[www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/](https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/)
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      I know this isn’t *strictly* piracy related, I apologise, but I think it is tangentally related in that piracy protects you from data theft by avoiding the services the biggest thieves operate. Also, I feel like people here might be very interested in this take.\n
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      Apparently, the “legal” data brokerage industry was worth $319 billion in 2021, and is predicted to be worth $545 billion in 2028.[^1]\n
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      I know this isn’t *strictly* piracy related, I apologise, but I think it is tangentally related in that piracy protects you from data theft by avoiding the services the biggest thieves operate. Also, I feel like people here might be very interested in this take.\n
      \n
      Apparently, the “legal” data brokerage industry was worth $319 billion in 2021, and is predicted to be worth $545 billion in 2028.[^1]\n
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      [^1]:[knowledge-sourcing.com/…/global-data-broker-marke…](https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) Edit: lmao we broke it [web.archive.org/web/…/global-data-broker-market](https://web.archive.org/web/20240107042301/https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) …or did they maybe take it down?? /tinfoil Edit2: it’s back up lol [^2]:[www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/](https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/)
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      I know this isn’t *strictly* piracy related, I apologise, but I think it is tangentally related in that piracy protects you from data theft by avoiding the services the biggest thieves operate. Also, I feel like people here might be very interested in this take.\n
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      Apparently, the “legal” data brokerage industry was worth $319 billion in 2021, and is predicted to be worth $545 billion in 2028.[^1]\n
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      Meanwhile, in 2021 there were only 7.9 billion people in the world[^2] - many of whom do not have internet access or have very little data being traded. If we generously assume 6 billion people have equal volumes of data being traded, that means **each person’s data is worth $53.17 per year on the market.**\n
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      Data is effectively stolen from people. We do not get anything in return for it. We may be offered access to a website free of charge, but that is a separate transaction - it is not appropriate for another transaction to be hidden in the fine print of the terms and conditions. When you buy insurance, the key terms have to be front and centre - you pay x, you get y service. Not “You can have y for free!!! ^(But^ ^also^ ^you^ ^give^ ^us^ ^x^ ^for^ ^free.)^” You’re supposed to be able to compare the value of the things being traded.\n
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      To run the other numbers to check, the global population in 2028 is predicted to be 8.4 billion - a growth of 6.329%. So our 6 billion population would become 6.38 billion, and with the $545 billion market value an individual’s data would be worth $85.43 on the market, or $65.71 to the individual. The value of user data is predicted to rise.\n
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      Obviously that 6 billion population figure I used is an approximation - a blind one at that. To give a worst case valuation for 2021, if we assume all 7.9 billion people equally have data being traded, then an individual’s data is worth $40.38 on the market, and $31.06 to the user. These are the minimum values, averaged evenly across the entire global population.\n
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      When Google and Facebook started out, data had very little value - there was no market for it. Thus it seemed reasonable to let them just take it, even if maybe it could be worth something. The service they offered was new and novel, a shiny new toy for everyone to play with. They then used this data to become some of the wealthiest businesses in the world. Now, even big players like Microsoft have joined in, in spite of the fact that their main products are paid products.\n
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      One form of bank fraud is where the criminal takes pennies out of multiple accounts, the idea being that people won’t notice such a small debit, and banks might write it off as some kind of error. This has been legislated against and proven illegal - yet these assholes take $40 each from *everyone* and get away with it!\n
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      [^1]:[knowledge-sourcing.com/…/global-data-broker-marke…](https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) Edit: lmao we broke it [web.archive.org/web/…/global-data-broker-market](https://web.archive.org/web/20240107042301/https://www.knowledge-sourcing.com/report/global-data-broker-market) …or did they maybe take it down?? /tinfoil Edit2: it’s back up lol [^2]:[www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/](https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2021/)
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    [tartle.co](https://tartle.co)
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