GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/9996/If-BT-over-Tor-is-bad-for-privacy-why-VPN/votes/down

Response
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IP
3.147.55.32
Profiled on
Token
37e1c5

Security

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Firewall

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Security enabled
Stateless

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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      ### Loot, Pillage, & Plunder\n
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      - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
      - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
      - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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    This is an continuation of my [last post](https://lemmy.ml/post/7505468), specifically a [comment](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5514226) from @rufus@discuss.tchncs.de:\n
    \n
    > It will never get recommended. It’s bad for the network and bad for your privacy.\n
    \n
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3 DENIED edit 
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      \n
      ### Rules • [Full Version](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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      **2**. Don’t request invites, trade, sell, or self-promote\n
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      \n
      ### Loot, Pillage, & Plunder\n
      \n
      - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
      - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
      - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
      - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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      \n
      💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
      \n
      [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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    This is an continuation of my [last post](https://lemmy.ml/post/7505468), specifically a [comment](https://lemmy.ml/comment/5514226) from @rufus@discuss.tchncs.de:\n
    \n
    > It will never get recommended. It’s bad for the network and bad for your privacy.\n
    \n
    Excluding that doing so is bad for the network, why it is “private” using VPN but not Tor, inferring from [common consensus](https://www.techradar.com/vpn/torrenting-safely-with-vpn). The main point in the blog post is a protocol level problem:\n
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    > apparently in some cases uTorrent, BitSpirit, and libTorrent simply write your IP address directly into the information they send to the tracker and/or to other peers\n
    \n
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      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      ### Rules • [Full Version](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
      \n
      **1**. Posts must be related to the discussion of digital piracy\n
      \n
      **2**. Don’t request invites, trade, sell, or self-promote\n
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      \n
      ### Loot, Pillage, & Plunder\n
      \n
      - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
      - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
      - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
      - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
      \n
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      \n
      💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
      \n
      [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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