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    Greetings fellow Lemmings,\n
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    I know this is a community that has a strong backbone in the Software and Technology space. I am a returning student in my mid-30’s that is returning to college as a way to pursue a career change. I am looking to crowdsource opinions from experienced tech professionals so I can make good quality, informed decisions about how I move forward with my educational and career goals.\n
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    With that being said my question is how would you proceed between the programs I have linked below? I am starting at a STEM focused community college (***Bellevue College***) in the Pacific Northwest. My long term goal is to either transfer to another four year institution (like ***UW Bothell***) grade permitting, or perhaps finish a four year degree from this institution. This is where your advice comes in, and where I believe I need better outside perspective to make a good decision.\n
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    **Option #1 (Software Development - Application Development Track)**This is where I have been leaning because it seems to afford me the largest number of future options with the direction I take my education. Most importantly I think it sets me up in the best position to make the potential transition to the University of Washington Bothell’s Computer Science & Software Engineering program. The Application Development track has a stronger focus on C# & .NET framework programming languages, which seems to provide a better foundation for more potential job opportunities at the moment.\n
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    **Option #2 (Software Development - Artificial Intelligence Track)**Artificial Intelligence is obviously the buzzword of the moment. However, I am wondering if I am robbing myself of options by over-specializing this early in the process, and I also have concerns about focusing my learning process so heavily on Python when that seems to be something that is not used as a standard backbone language for more enterprise level businesses. I also don’t have any interest in the robotics area of this degree, as I don’t see that as being something I would look to pursue in my career. I do want to be conscientious about learning whatever is going to provide me the most future utility, therefore, I am wondering if this is the way to go for that reason.\n
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    [Link to Program Information](https://catalog.bellevuecollege.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=12&poid=2932&returnto=594)\n
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    Ultimately, I am open to any and all advice, recommendations, and wisdom that my fellow Lemmings have to provide. My previous background was in a completely unrelated field, but I have always had a passion for technology and I am a quick learner with a lean lifestyle and no external distractions. Completing this process and securing employment will be my focus 100% for the next 3-4 years. With that in mind, tell me what you think.\n
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    - Where should I go with my education?\n
    - What pitfalls should I avoid?\n
    - When should I specialize?\n
    - Am I crazy for doing this later in life?\n
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    **Hit me with anything you’ve got Lemmy, it is all appreciated!**\n
    \n
    **Edit:** I’m watching the NFC Championship Game, but I will respond to all of you as soon as it is over. Really appreciate all the responses so far!
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