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affirmative Strategy
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    [toolbox](https://containertoolbx.org/) is preinstalled on fedora silverblue/kinoite whereas distrobox isn’t. What’s the advantage of one vs the other? Why is toolbox preinstalled and not distrobox?\n
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    sure,\n
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    I already liked fedora for choosing sane (imo) defaults for the most part. I got to know the atomic builds just a few weeks ago. The advantage the atomic versions have over the traditional builds are that they are reproducible which is huge advantage for maintainers. Hence, it’s not directly an advantage for me but reduced workload for others.\n
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    The update process is much easier than with workstation as you just have to restart the system “without having to update”. It’s like android in this case, you just restart and have an updated system. Moreover, I can just switch to another system underneath without breaking the rest of the system. Although it might be better to have an additional layer in between the base OS, the DE and (graphical) applications.\n
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    Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    Ubuntu, then Debian on my University computers, broken every weeks with dpkg killed while updating (students don’t care properly shutting down computers).\n
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    Ubuntu, then Debian on my University computers, broken every weeks with dpkg killed while updating (students don’t care properly shutting down computers).\n
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    Ubuntu, then Debian on my University computers, broken every weeks with dpkg killed while updating (students don’t care properly shutting down computers).\n
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    Since we migrated to Silverblue, it just works. We can downgrade the system at any point in time, even previous release. Apps can be individually downgraded, locked at any point in history. Totally not doable with a traditional package manager.
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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    I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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    > chief among them “increased security”\n
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    Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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    > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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    Hmm…,:\n
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    - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
    - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
    - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
    - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
    - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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    > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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    It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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    I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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    > chief among them “increased security”\n
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    Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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    > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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    Hmm…,:\n
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    - atomicity; nope\n
    - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
    - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
    - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
    - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
    - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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    > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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    It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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    I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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    > chief among them “increased security”\n
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    Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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    > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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    Hmm…,:\n
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    - atomicity; nope\n
    - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
    - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
    - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
    - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
    - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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    > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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    It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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          Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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      > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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      I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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      > chief among them “increased security”\n
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      Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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      > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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      Hmm…,:\n
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      - atomicity; nope\n
      - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
      - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
      - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
      - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
      - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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      > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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      It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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          Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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      > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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      I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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      > chief among them “increased security”\n
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      Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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      - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
      - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
      - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
      - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
      - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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      > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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      It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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          Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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      > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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      I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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      > chief among them “increased security”\n
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      Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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      > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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      - atomicity; nope\n
      - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
      - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
      - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
      - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
      - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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      > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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      It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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    +body: "I really wanted to avoid a debate (doubly so in a thread where some dude just wanted some help), which is why I’m trying not to engage the various answers I got; though just one thing since I apparently can’t help myself: Qubes, which you cite, is indeed an example of such improved security done *correctly*, through an hypervisor and a solid implementation; not cgroups, some duct-tape and the same kernel, and thinking your security has improved. Thanks again, at any rate."
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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    +body: "I really wanted to avoid a debate (doubly so in a thread where some dude just wanted some help), which is why I’m trying not to engage the various answers I got; though just one thing since I apparently can’t help myself: Qubes, which you cite, is indeed an example of such improved security done *correctly*, through an hypervisor and a solid implementation; not cgroups, some duct-tape and the same kernel, and thinking your security has improved. Thanks again, at any rate."
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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