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    Note that a fallacy is a reasoning flaw; sometimes the goal might be to trick you, indeed. But sometimes it’s just a brainfart… or you might be dealing with something worse, like sheer irrationality. That said:\n
    \n
    - look for the conclusion. What is the point that the writer is delivering? (Note: you might find multiple conclusions. That’s OK.)\n
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    - look for the arguments used to feed premises into the core argument. Which are they?\n
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    Then try to formalise the arguments that you found into “premise 1, premise 2, conclusion” in your head or in a text editor. Are the premises solid? Do you actually agree with them? And do they actually lead into the conclusion? If something smells fishy, you probably got a fallacy.\n
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    Get used to at least a few “big” types of fallacies. There are lists across the internet, do read a few of them; you don’t need to memorise names, just to understand *what* is wrong with that fallacious reasoning. This pic has a few of them, I think that it’s good reference material, specially at the start:\n
    \n
    ![](https://www.pesec.no/content/images/size/w1460/2020/03/School-Of-Thought---Fallacies-Poster.png)\n
    \n
    In special I’ve noticed that a few types of fallacy are *really common* on the internet:\n
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    - **red herring** - bringing irrelevant shit up as if it supported the conclusion, when it doesn’t matter. In special, I see **appeal to emotion** (claiming that something is false/true because it makes you feel really bad/good) all the time.\n
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    - **four terms** - exploiting multiple meanings associated with the same word to create an argument like “A is B¹, B² is C, thus A is C”.\n
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    Get used to at least a few “big” types of fallacies. There are lists across the internet, do read a few of them; you don’t need to memorise names, just to understand *what* is wrong with that fallacious reasoning. This pic has a few of them, I think that it’s good reference material, specially at the start:\n
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    \n
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    - **four terms** - exploiting multiple meanings associated with the same word to create an argument like “A is B¹, B² is C, thus A is C”.\n
    \n
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    - "Trust me" - red herring, specially appeal to emotion (once you contradict the argument there’s a good chance that the other will create drama because you didn’t blindly trust them, so the whole thing boils down to “accept this as true otherwise you’ll hear my meltdown”).\n
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    Note that a fallacy is a reasoning flaw; sometimes the goal might be to trick you, indeed. But sometimes it’s just a brainfart… or you might be dealing with something worse, like sheer irrationality. That said:\n
    \n
    - look for the conclusion. What is the point that the writer is delivering? (Note: you might find multiple conclusions. That’s OK.)\n
    - look at what’s being used to support that conclusion. What is the core argument?\n
    - look for the arguments used to feed premises into the core argument. Which are they?\n
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    Then try to formalise the arguments that you found into “premise 1, premise 2, conclusion” in your head or in a text editor. Are the premises solid? Do you actually agree with them? And do they actually lead into the conclusion? If something smells fishy, you probably got a fallacy.\n
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    Get used to at least a few “big” types of fallacies. There are lists across the internet, do read a few of them; you don’t need to memorise names, just to understand *what* is wrong with that fallacious reasoning. This pic has a few of them, I think that it’s good reference material, specially at the start:\n
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    ![](https://www.pesec.no/content/images/size/w1460/2020/03/School-Of-Thought---Fallacies-Poster.png)\n
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    In special I’ve noticed that a few types of fallacy are *really common* on the internet:\n
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    - **genetic fallacy** - claiming that an argument is true or false because of its origin. Includes **ad hominem, appeal to nature, appeal to authority, ad populum**, etc.\n
    - **red herring** - bringing irrelevant shit up as if it supported the conclusion, when it doesn’t matter. In special, I see **appeal to emotion** (claiming that something is false/true because it makes you feel really bad/good) all the time.\n
    - **oversimplification** - disregarding key details that either stain the premises or show that they don’t necessarily lead to conclusion. **False dichotomy** (“if X is true, Y is false” in situations where both can be true or false) is a specially common type of oversimplification.\n
    - **strawman** - distortion of an opposing argument into a way that is easier to beat. Again, notice that “intention” doesn’t matter; only that the opposing argument isn’t being addressed.\n
    - **moving goalposts** - when you counter an argument, the person plops another in its place, without acknowledging that it’s a new argument. Often relies heavily on **ad hoc** (making stuff up on the spot to shield an argument)\n
    - **four terms** - exploiting multiple meanings associated with the same word to create an argument like “A is B¹, B² is C, thus A is C”.\n
    \n
    There are also some “markers” that smell fallacy for me from a distance. You should not trust them (as they might be present where there’s no fallacy, or they might be absent even when the associated fallacy pops up); however, if you find those you should look for the associated fallacy:\n
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    - “As a” at the start of a text - genetic fallacy, specially appeal to authority\n
    - "Trust me" - red herring, specially appeal to emotion (once you contradict the argument there’s a good chance that the other will create drama because you didn’t blindly trust them, so the whole thing boils down to “accept this as true otherwise you’ll hear my meltdown”).\n
    - “I don’t understand” followed by a counter-argument - strawman. Specially common in Reddit.\n
    - “Actually” - red herring through trivia that is completely irrelevant in the context.
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