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    Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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    Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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        Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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    In some contexts.\n
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                You want open source treated well? Remove IP protections from closed-source projects.\n
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                It’s like patents versus trade secrets. If you show your work and agree to let anyone play with it, there are incentives provided. If you rely on secrecy… and people figure it out anyway… tough shit.
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        Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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                You want open source treated well? Remove IP protections from closed-source projects.\n
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                It’s like patents versus trade secrets. If you show your work and agree to let anyone play with it, there are incentives provided. If you rely on secrecy… and people figure it out anyway… tough shit.
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        Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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    In some contexts.\n
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                  You want open source treated well? Remove IP protections from closed-source projects.\n
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          Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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      In some contexts.\n
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      Is there a particular goal for this rhetorical poking?
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                  You want open source treated well? Remove IP protections from closed-source projects.\n
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                  It’s like patents versus trade secrets. If you show your work and agree to let anyone play with it, there are incentives provided. If you rely on secrecy… and people figure it out anyway… tough shit.
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          Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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      In some contexts.\n
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      Is there a particular goal for this rhetorical poking?
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                  You want open source treated well? Remove IP protections from closed-source projects.\n
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                  It’s like patents versus trade secrets. If you show your work and agree to let anyone play with it, there are incentives provided. If you rely on secrecy… and people figure it out anyway… tough shit.
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          Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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      In some contexts.\n
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      Is there a particular goal for this rhetorical poking?
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                    You want open source treated well? Remove IP protections from closed-source projects.\n
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                    It’s like patents versus trade secrets. If you show your work and agree to let anyone play with it, there are incentives provided. If you rely on secrecy… and people figure it out anyway… tough shit.
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            Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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            Please be advised I won’t give two shits about any hair-splitting over the word “owns.”
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        In some contexts.\n
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        Is there a particular goal for this rhetorical poking?
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    Sorry, it just sounds like it was leading to some “ah-HA!” reversal, being so brief and general in response to normative statements about a complex topic.\n
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    Removing DRM is generally somewhere between outright illegal and getting attacked by flesh-eating lawyers.\n
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    Blizzard killed an independent Warcraft / Starcraft server called BNetD.\n
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    Nintendo’s whole attitude toward emulation is infuriating nonsense pushing for digital art to slowly rot.
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                    You want open source treated well? Remove IP protections from closed-source projects.\n
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                    It’s like patents versus trade secrets. If you show your work and agree to let anyone play with it, there are incentives provided. If you rely on secrecy… and people figure it out anyway… tough shit.
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            Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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        In some contexts.\n
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        Is there a particular goal for this rhetorical poking?
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    Sorry, it just sounds like it was leading to some “ah-HA!” reversal, being so brief and general in response to normative statements about a complex topic.\n
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    Removing DRM is generally somewhere between outright illegal and getting attacked by flesh-eating lawyers.\n
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    Blizzard killed an independent Warcraft / Starcraft server called BNetD.\n
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      > Perens says there are several pressing problems that the open source community needs to address.\n
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      > Whether it can or not, Perens argues that the GPL isn’t enough. “The GPL is designed not as a contract but as a license. What Richard Stallman was thinking was he didn’t want to take away anyone’s rights. He only wanted to grant rights. So it’s not a contract. It’s a license. Well, we can’t do that anymore. We need enforceable contract terms.”
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                    You want open source treated well? Remove IP protections from closed-source projects.\n
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                    It’s like patents versus trade secrets. If you show your work and agree to let anyone play with it, there are incentives provided. If you rely on secrecy… and people figure it out anyway… tough shit.
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            Reverse-engineering. Binary patches. Basically a free-for-all for anyone who owns a legal copy of a thing.\n
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            Please be advised I won’t give two shits about any hair-splitting over the word “owns.”
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        In some contexts.\n
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        Is there a particular goal for this rhetorical poking?
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    Sorry, it just sounds like it was leading to some “ah-HA!” reversal, being so brief and general in response to normative statements about a complex topic.\n
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    Removing DRM is generally somewhere between outright illegal and getting attacked by flesh-eating lawyers.\n
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    Blizzard killed an independent Warcraft / Starcraft server called BNetD.\n
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    Nintendo’s whole attitude toward emulation is infuriating nonsense pushing for digital art to slowly rot.
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        - [Free Software Foundation](https://www.fsf.org/)\n
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