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        So, I know very little and have a poor understanding of the software licenses, hence why I’m asking.\n
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        I have a ‘smart’ thermostat that came with the new HVAC system. It is the [AprilAire 8920W](https://www.aprilaire.com/whole-house-products/thermostats/old-wifi-thermostat/model-8920w). It has a touchscreen, connects to wifi, does lots of ‘computer’ things. I cannot imagine that this furnace company built their own OS and kernel and everything else from scratch; it seems most likely it is running linux, yea? And with that, includes libraries and other tools that are under some version of the GPL, yea?\n
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        I went down the router rabbit-hole some weeks ago and found the firmware for routers available on the Linksys website, the Linksys site has this [‘GPL Code Center’](https://www.linksys.com/ca/support-article/?articleNum=50485). I’m finding nothing of the sort from AprilAire, though…\n
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      Not necessarily. There are other operating systems and frameworks for embedded devices. Especially for commercial products. It doesn’t have to be something like Linux and GPL code.\n
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      [en.wikipedia.org/…/Comparison_of_real-time_operat…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_real-time_operating_systems)\n
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      This is a list of many other choices with many of them having non-copyleft licenses. And a thermostat is a comparatively simple device. They could also have implemented most things themselves and just taken a network-stack to connect it to the outside world. (I think network is something that is very complex and companies just buy a solution instead of writing all of that code.)
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        So, I know very little and have a poor understanding of the software licenses, hence why I’m asking.\n
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        I have a ‘smart’ thermostat that came with the new HVAC system. It is the [AprilAire 8920W](https://www.aprilaire.com/whole-house-products/thermostats/old-wifi-thermostat/model-8920w). It has a touchscreen, connects to wifi, does lots of ‘computer’ things. I cannot imagine that this furnace company built their own OS and kernel and everything else from scratch; it seems most likely it is running linux, yea? And with that, includes libraries and other tools that are under some version of the GPL, yea?\n
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        I went down the router rabbit-hole some weeks ago and found the firmware for routers available on the Linksys website, the Linksys site has this [‘GPL Code Center’](https://www.linksys.com/ca/support-article/?articleNum=50485). I’m finding nothing of the sort from AprilAire, though…\n
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        So, if we assume that my ‘smart’ thermostat is running Linux (and, say, busybox, a common GPL-ed tool on small systems, like routers), they are obligated to provide the code for at least those pieces of software, right? They need to give me a CD or have a page on their website (and include the link in the manual) and all that?\n
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        Do they need to give me access to the entire firmware as well? The router folks do, but you also sometimes need to re-install the firmware manually, so that may not be a license issue.\n
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        However, how would we know if they are violating a license if we don’t know what is running on it?\n
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        I’m curious about how the GPL / copy-left licenses work, and wondering if I found someone who is violating it. I also want to hack the thermostat to control it without the motherfuckin’ cloud, but that is a bit separate.
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      Not necessarily. There are other operating systems and frameworks for embedded devices. Especially for commercial products. It doesn’t have to be something like Linux and GPL code.\n
      \n
      [en.wikipedia.org/…/Comparison_of_real-time_operat…](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_real-time_operating_systems)\n
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      This is a list of many other choices with many of them having non-copyleft licenses. And a thermostat is a comparatively simple device. They could also have implemented most things themselves and just taken a network-stack to connect it to the outside world. (I think network is something that is very complex and companies just buy a solution instead of writing all of that code.)
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