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Response
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IP
18.118.255.51
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45f3ae

Security

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Firewall

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Stateless

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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2 
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5 
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7 
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      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
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      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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      ### Related Communities\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS DENIED 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
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    With those however, they never ran on Linux. This situation is different because *it did run*. I’ve only used Zoom once, so no clue if it worked excellently or if it was “meh”, but it sounds like it did the job before.\n
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      Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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    > how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?\n
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      > how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?\n
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        Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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      > how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?\n
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        Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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      > how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?\n
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        Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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      > how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?\n
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    That interface is let any random app take screenshots of anything running on the same server without any way for the user to know it happens.\n
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        Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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        Again, none of that is a failure of Wayland, it’s a failure of Zoom to run on Wayland. One day, and this is in the next 5 years, Wayland-only apps will refuse to run on X.Org and the situation will be reversed.\n
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      > how do you expect them to fix Zoom? Acquire the company and take it behind the shed?\n
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    The author’s [argument from self-appointed authority](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority) tone aside, I dug into the only two verifiable pieces of evidence cited. These are almost impenetrable to the outsider, and even with plenty of coding experience behind me, I’m having to go deep to make sense of any of it. After all, sometimes, bugs and design decisions are the result of a best effort in the situation at hand and not necessarily evidence of negligence, incompetence, or bad architecture. There’s also something to be said for organizing labor, focusing effort on what matters, and triaging the backlog.\n
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    - [gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/…/diffs](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/4157/diffs)\n
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      TL;DR: the author needs to do a better job of citing sources and building an argument.\n
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      The author’s [argument from self-appointed authority](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority) tone aside, I dug into the only two verifiable pieces of evidence cited. These are almost impenetrable to the outsider, and even with plenty of coding experience behind me, I’m having to go deep to make sense of any of it. After all, sometimes, bugs and design decisions are the result of a best effort in the situation at hand and not necessarily evidence of negligence, incompetence, or bad architecture. There’s also something to be said for organizing labor, focusing effort on what matters, and triaging the backlog.\n
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      The original author really needs to pony up a deeper digest of the project, with many more verifiable links to back up the various quality claims. If anyone is going to take this seriously, a proper postmortem is a better way to go. Cite the version reviewed, link to every flaw you can find, suggest ways to improve things, and keep it blameless. Instead, this reads like cherry picking two whole things on the public bug tracker and then making unsubstantiated claims that’s a part of a bigger pattern.\n
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      2. The first article smells like inadequate QA for cases like placing Wayland programs in the background, which is not typically done for GUI apps under normal usage (IMO).\n
      3. The second article is a two-line change that I suppose highlights how ill-suited C is for this kind of software. Developer chatter on the MR suggests that the internal API could use some safeguards and sanity checks.\n
      4. 162 open issues, 259 closed, oldest still open is five years old. Not great, but not terrible.\n
      5. None of this is particularly egregious, considering the age of the project and the use it enjoys today.\n
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      Links:\n
      \n
      - [gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/…/159](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/159)\n
      - [gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/…/diffs](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/4157/diffs)\n
      - [gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues)
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      TL;DR: the author needs to do a better job of citing sources and building an argument.\n
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      The author’s [argument from self-appointed authority](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority) tone aside, I dug into the only two verifiable pieces of evidence cited. These are almost impenetrable to the outsider, and even with plenty of coding experience behind me, I’m having to go deep to make sense of any of it. After all, sometimes, bugs and design decisions are the result of a best effort in the situation at hand and not necessarily evidence of negligence, incompetence, or bad architecture. There’s also something to be said for organizing labor, focusing effort on what matters, and triaging the backlog.\n
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      The original author really needs to pony up a deeper digest of the project, with many more verifiable links to back up the various quality claims. If anyone is going to take this seriously, a proper postmortem is a better way to go. Cite the version reviewed, link to every flaw you can find, suggest ways to improve things, and keep it blameless. Instead, this reads like cherry picking two whole things on the public bug tracker and then making unsubstantiated claims that’s a part of a bigger pattern.\n
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      2. The first article smells like inadequate QA for cases like placing Wayland programs in the background, which is not typically done for GUI apps under normal usage (IMO).\n
      3. The second article is a two-line change that I suppose highlights how ill-suited C is for this kind of software. Developer chatter on the MR suggests that the internal API could use some safeguards and sanity checks.\n
      4. 162 open issues, 259 closed, oldest still open is five years old. Not great, but not terrible.\n
      5. None of this is particularly egregious, considering the age of the project and the use it enjoys today.\n
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      Links:\n
      \n
      - [gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/…/159](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues/159)\n
      - [gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/…/diffs](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wlroots/wlroots/-/merge_requests/4157/diffs)\n
      - [gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues](https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland/-/issues)
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      TL;DR: the author needs to do a better job of citing sources and building an argument.\n
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      The author’s [argument from self-appointed authority](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority) tone aside, I dug into the only two verifiable pieces of evidence cited. These are almost impenetrable to the outsider, and even with plenty of coding experience behind me, I’m having to go deep to make sense of any of it. After all, sometimes, bugs and design decisions are the result of a best effort in the situation at hand and not necessarily evidence of negligence, incompetence, or bad architecture. There’s also something to be said for organizing labor, focusing effort on what matters, and triaging the backlog.\n
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      4. 162 open issues, 259 closed, oldest still open is five years old. Not great, but not terrible.\n
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    > aren’t any devs working on X.\n
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    > aren’t any devs working on X.\n
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    > It really is a “rock and a hard place” …\n
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    Yeah. I hope it’s just a vocal minority but it’s depressing when you see people act like this in the wild.
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        My thoughts on this? I think people should care less about what software other people use.\n
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        Man, display servers look hard to develop and I’m glad we have two amazing/successful projects to choose between! I think the devs who work on X are doing an amazing job and it’s amazing to see how passionate the devs/users are for Wayland.\n
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        > The Devs who work on X are doing an amazing job\n
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        There aren’t any Devs working on X. That’s the whole problem. Xorg is the most modern and most popular implementation of X, was started in 2004, it no longer has any permanent maintainers, and it hasn’t been updated since 2018. Nobody alive fully understands the whole codebase, it is an unholy mess of multiple forks and multiple versions of many different projects all smushed together. There is no more room for innovation on Xorg because any time anybody fixes a bug or adds a feature, it breaks something totally unrelated. All of the big players who used to pay developers to maintain it, no longer do. Partly because they can’t find anyone willing to do it.\n
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        > The Devs who work on X are doing an amazing job\n
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    Don’t know anything avout xorg development although I’m profitting for years off it now. Just wanted to chime in and say that the Arch maintainers put out updates pretty constantly. If the code isn’t worked on anymore then what’s happening there?\n
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        > The Devs who work on X are doing an amazing job\n
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    Don’t know anything avout xorg development although I’m profitting for years off it now. Just wanted to chime in and say that the Arch maintainers put out updates pretty constantly. If the code isn’t worked on anymore then what’s happening there?\n
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