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Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name

Security enabled

Stateless

Configuration

Key	Value
provider	security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context	main
entry_point	App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker	App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler	(none)
access_denied_url	(none)
authenticators	[`"two_factor" "remember_me" "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator" "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator" "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator" "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator" "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"`]

Listeners

Listener	Duration	Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723`-map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …} -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -httpPort: 80 -httpsPort: 443`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …} -sessionKey: "_security_main" -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …} -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …} -registered: false -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …} -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}}	15.98 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584`-authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582`-twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …} -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}`}	0.08 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …} -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -options: [ "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token" "csrf_token_id" => "logout" "logout_path" => "app_logout" ] -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …} -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …} -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy


"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

#	Voter class
1	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2	"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5	"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6	"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7	"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8	"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9	"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10	"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11	"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12	"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13	"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14	"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log


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      ##### ⚓ Community devoted to in-depth debate on topics concerning digital piracy, ethical problems, and legal advancements.\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      ### Rules • [Full Version](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
      \n
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      \n
      **2**. Don’t request invites, trade, sell, or self-promote\n
      \n
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      \n
      **4**. Don’t submit low-quality posts, be entitled, or harass others\n
      \n
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      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      [![](https://a.imagem.app/oZoQ1v.png)](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/10901)\n
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n
      \n
      ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
      \n
      - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
      - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
      - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
      - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
      \n
      [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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      ##### ⚓ Community devoted to in-depth debate on topics concerning digital piracy, ethical problems, and legal advancements.\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      ### Rules • [Full Version](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
      \n
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      \n
      **2**. Don’t request invites, trade, sell, or self-promote\n
      \n
      **3**. Don’t request or link to specific pirated titles, including DMs\n
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      **4**. Don’t submit low-quality posts, be entitled, or harass others\n
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      **5**. Don’t post questions already answered. READ THE [WIKI](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/10901)\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      [![](https://a.imagem.app/oZoQ1v.png)](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/10901)\n
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n
      \n
      ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
      \n
      - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
      - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
      - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
      - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
      \n
      [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
      \n
      ---
      """
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  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#266
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      ##### ⚓ Community devoted to in-depth debate on topics concerning digital piracy, ethical problems, and legal advancements.\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      ### Rules • [Full Version](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
      \n
      **1**. Posts must be related to the discussion of digital piracy\n
      \n
      **2**. Don’t request invites, trade, sell, or self-promote\n
      \n
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      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      [![](https://a.imagem.app/oZoQ1v.png)](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/10901)\n
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n
      \n
      ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
      \n
      - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
      - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
      - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
      - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
      \n
      [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
null
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
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        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
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        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
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        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
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        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
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        [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ### Rules • [Full Version](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
        \n
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        [![](https://a.imagem.app/oZoQ1v.png)](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/10901)\n
        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n
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        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
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        [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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    HTTPS does enforce at least one sided authentication though. In the scenario the service they access is most likely being hosted by a server that does authenticate via X.509 cert.\n
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        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        \n
        ---\n
        \n
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        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n
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        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
        \n
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        💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
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        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
        \n
        [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ### Rules • [Full Version](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        ---\n
        \n
        [![](https://a.imagem.app/oZoQ1v.png)](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/10901)\n
        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n
        \n
        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
        \n
        [![Ko-Fi](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/4a2f073a-3dd8-492a-942d-72bd929c9f1d.png)](https://ko-fi.com/dbzer0)[![Liberapay](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/pictrs/image/eec4659d-39be-4fc9-bc9e-66a96285ea2c.png)](https://liberapay.com/db0/)\n
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        ##### ⚓ Community devoted to in-depth debate on topics concerning digital piracy, ethical problems, and legal advancements.\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ### Rules • [Full Version](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
        \n
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        ---\n
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        [![](https://a.imagem.app/oZoQ1v.png)](https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/10901)\n
        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------\n
        \n
        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
        \n
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        \n
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        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
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        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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        \n
        ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
        \n
        - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
        - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
        - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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        \n
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        - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
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    \n
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    \n
    ### Loot, Pillage, &amp; Plunder\n
    \n
    - [📜 Megathread](https://rentry.co/megathread)\n
    - [🪶 FAQ](https://rentry.co/piracy-faq)\n
    - [🪶 ISP Complaints](https://rentry.co/piracy-isp-complaints)\n
    - [🪶 Rules](https://rentry.co/piracy-rules)\n
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    \n
    💰 Please help cover server costs.\n
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