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      Has anybody had a conversation about implementing non-federated communities or is that even a possibility with activitypub? I would love to have native beehaw communities that are only accessible by logged-in beehaw users, but still retain federation for some of my more niche communities that may not have a large enough audience here.\n
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    there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      Beehaw was around much before the current “population explosion” of the Fediverse, though, and by all accounts was doing just fine. Naturally it didn’t have as much content as it currently does, but the sort of reddit-esque content flood that some people seem to need really isn’t a requisite for sites to thrive.\n
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    Yea for sure …\n
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      Beehaw was around much before the current “population explosion” of the Fediverse, though, and by all accounts was doing just fine. Naturally it didn’t have as much content as it currently does, but the sort of reddit-esque content flood that some people seem to need really isn’t a requisite for sites to thrive.\n
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    Yea for sure …\n
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    I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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    These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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            I’m new to the fediverse and chose to join Beehaw because the community interactions feel positive like an active private forum that I’m on, but with the structural flexibility of a federated platform.\n
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            There is definitely a tone change between local communities and the outside federated feed, but I worry that secession and isolation will lead to community atrophy— it’s already a small instance and without the cross-pollination of outside users and content it may not have enough momentum to succeed
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      Beehaw was around much before the current “population explosion” of the Fediverse, though, and by all accounts was doing just fine. Naturally it didn’t have as much content as it currently does, but the sort of reddit-esque content flood that some people seem to need really isn’t a requisite for sites to thrive.\n
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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              +body: "@admin@beehaw.org does Lemmy have any opt-in federation system? Like, only allow certain remote servers to connect? Maybe that would be a viable alternative"
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          +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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        +body: "We simply need a lot more moderation tools than the current set of lemmy devs are willing to create, and many of them see some of the requests as frivolous or not in line with their personal beliefs on how the website mechanics should work. There’s also a metric ton of bugs, potential legal issues with how the platform deals with federation and malicious and abhorrent material, and the issue of the code of choice this website runs on not being a particularly popular or easy to pick up coding language meaning less access to talent to fix or work on new things. We’ve been talking about potentially moving platforms for some time now and with time there are just more discoveries of new issues."
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          +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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          +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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        +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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    I will be honest with you, I do not think that it would be a good use of your time. This has been unfolding for a long time and its clear that there are both coding and ideological issues with lemmy as a platform (there’s plenty of discussions of this which have unfolded in the chat and beehaw support communities which I would suggest reading up on). However, if you are committed to making lemmy as a whole a better place, here’s a truncated list of some of the still existing issues:\n
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    I will be honest with you, I do not think that it would be a good use of your time. This has been unfolding for a long time and its clear that there are both coding and ideological issues with lemmy as a platform (there’s plenty of discussions of this which have unfolded in the chat and beehaw support communities which I would suggest reading up on). However, if you are committed to making lemmy as a whole a better place, here’s a truncated list of some of the still existing issues:\n
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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            +body: "@admin@beehaw.org does Lemmy have any opt-in federation system? Like, only allow certain remote servers to connect? Maybe that would be a viable alternative"
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        +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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      +body: "We simply need a lot more moderation tools than the current set of lemmy devs are willing to create, and many of them see some of the requests as frivolous or not in line with their personal beliefs on how the website mechanics should work. There’s also a metric ton of bugs, potential legal issues with how the platform deals with federation and malicious and abhorrent material, and the issue of the code of choice this website runs on not being a particularly popular or easy to pick up coding language meaning less access to talent to fix or work on new things. We’ve been talking about potentially moving platforms for some time now and with time there are just more discoveries of new issues."
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    I will be honest with you, I do not think that it would be a good use of your time. This has been unfolding for a long time and its clear that there are both coding and ideological issues with lemmy as a platform (there’s plenty of discussions of this which have unfolded in the chat and beehaw support communities which I would suggest reading up on). However, if you are committed to making lemmy as a whole a better place, here’s a truncated list of some of the still existing issues:\n
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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              +body: "@admin@beehaw.org does Lemmy have any opt-in federation system? Like, only allow certain remote servers to connect? Maybe that would be a viable alternative"
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          +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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        +body: "We simply need a lot more moderation tools than the current set of lemmy devs are willing to create, and many of them see some of the requests as frivolous or not in line with their personal beliefs on how the website mechanics should work. There’s also a metric ton of bugs, potential legal issues with how the platform deals with federation and malicious and abhorrent material, and the issue of the code of choice this website runs on not being a particularly popular or easy to pick up coding language meaning less access to talent to fix or work on new things. We’ve been talking about potentially moving platforms for some time now and with time there are just more discoveries of new issues."
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      +body: "What in particular? Maybe these could be addressed as a fork. I would be willing to contribute to the extent I can"
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      I will be honest with you, I do not think that it would be a good use of your time. This has been unfolding for a long time and its clear that there are both coding and ideological issues with lemmy as a platform (there’s plenty of discussions of this which have unfolded in the chat and beehaw support communities which I would suggest reading up on). However, if you are committed to making lemmy as a whole a better place, here’s a truncated list of some of the still existing issues:\n
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      - There are not enough federation options to deal effectively with current problems, at minimum: \n
          1. One-way federation to protect our site culture\n
          2. Exemption from all feed & media reject to handle pornography\n
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    Thanks for the thorough answer. I’ll have to do some thinking.\n
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    Where are these discussions happening? I haven’t seen much on the Lemmy instance itself until like yesterday.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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              +body: "@admin@beehaw.org does Lemmy have any opt-in federation system? Like, only allow certain remote servers to connect? Maybe that would be a viable alternative"
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          +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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        +body: "We simply need a lot more moderation tools than the current set of lemmy devs are willing to create, and many of them see some of the requests as frivolous or not in line with their personal beliefs on how the website mechanics should work. There’s also a metric ton of bugs, potential legal issues with how the platform deals with federation and malicious and abhorrent material, and the issue of the code of choice this website runs on not being a particularly popular or easy to pick up coding language meaning less access to talent to fix or work on new things. We’ve been talking about potentially moving platforms for some time now and with time there are just more discoveries of new issues."
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      I will be honest with you, I do not think that it would be a good use of your time. This has been unfolding for a long time and its clear that there are both coding and ideological issues with lemmy as a platform (there’s plenty of discussions of this which have unfolded in the chat and beehaw support communities which I would suggest reading up on). However, if you are committed to making lemmy as a whole a better place, here’s a truncated list of some of the still existing issues:\n
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          1. One-way federation to protect our site culture\n
          2. Exemption from all feed & media reject to handle pornography\n
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      - The modlog does not work in a chronological fashion and does not allow to filter actions by instance or per community\n
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      - If you get site-banned from an instance and you are from another instance, you can still post on the community and people from your instance can see and interact with your posts
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    Thanks for the thorough answer. I’ll have to do some thinking.\n
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    Where are these discussions happening? I haven’t seen much on the Lemmy instance itself until like yesterday.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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          +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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        +body: "We simply need a lot more moderation tools than the current set of lemmy devs are willing to create, and many of them see some of the requests as frivolous or not in line with their personal beliefs on how the website mechanics should work. There’s also a metric ton of bugs, potential legal issues with how the platform deals with federation and malicious and abhorrent material, and the issue of the code of choice this website runs on not being a particularly popular or easy to pick up coding language meaning less access to talent to fix or work on new things. We’ve been talking about potentially moving platforms for some time now and with time there are just more discoveries of new issues."
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      I will be honest with you, I do not think that it would be a good use of your time. This has been unfolding for a long time and its clear that there are both coding and ideological issues with lemmy as a platform (there’s plenty of discussions of this which have unfolded in the chat and beehaw support communities which I would suggest reading up on). However, if you are committed to making lemmy as a whole a better place, here’s a truncated list of some of the still existing issues:\n
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          2. Exemption from all feed & media reject to handle pornography\n
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    Thanks for the thorough answer. I’ll have to do some thinking.\n
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    Where are these discussions happening? I haven’t seen much on the Lemmy instance itself until like yesterday.
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                +body: "@admin@beehaw.org does Lemmy have any opt-in federation system? Like, only allow certain remote servers to connect? Maybe that would be a viable alternative"
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            +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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          +body: "We simply need a lot more moderation tools than the current set of lemmy devs are willing to create, and many of them see some of the requests as frivolous or not in line with their personal beliefs on how the website mechanics should work. There’s also a metric ton of bugs, potential legal issues with how the platform deals with federation and malicious and abhorrent material, and the issue of the code of choice this website runs on not being a particularly popular or easy to pick up coding language meaning less access to talent to fix or work on new things. We’ve been talking about potentially moving platforms for some time now and with time there are just more discoveries of new issues."
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        +body: "What in particular? Maybe these could be addressed as a fork. I would be willing to contribute to the extent I can"
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        I will be honest with you, I do not think that it would be a good use of your time. This has been unfolding for a long time and its clear that there are both coding and ideological issues with lemmy as a platform (there’s plenty of discussions of this which have unfolded in the chat and beehaw support communities which I would suggest reading up on). However, if you are committed to making lemmy as a whole a better place, here’s a truncated list of some of the still existing issues:\n
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            1. One-way federation to protect our site culture\n
            2. Exemption from all feed & media reject to handle pornography\n
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        - The modlog does not work in a chronological fashion and does not allow to filter actions by instance or per community\n
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        - If you get site-banned from an instance and you are from another instance, you can still post on the community and people from your instance can see and interact with your posts
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      Thanks for the thorough answer. I’ll have to do some thinking.\n
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      Where are these discussions happening? I haven’t seen much on the Lemmy instance itself until like yesterday.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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      Let’s go back to the holiday meals for a moment and imagine having an **open** invitation for **anyone** to join. What do you think the outcomes would be?\n
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            +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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          +body: "We simply need a lot more moderation tools than the current set of lemmy devs are willing to create, and many of them see some of the requests as frivolous or not in line with their personal beliefs on how the website mechanics should work. There’s also a metric ton of bugs, potential legal issues with how the platform deals with federation and malicious and abhorrent material, and the issue of the code of choice this website runs on not being a particularly popular or easy to pick up coding language meaning less access to talent to fix or work on new things. We’ve been talking about potentially moving platforms for some time now and with time there are just more discoveries of new issues."
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        +body: "What in particular? Maybe these could be addressed as a fork. I would be willing to contribute to the extent I can"
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        I will be honest with you, I do not think that it would be a good use of your time. This has been unfolding for a long time and its clear that there are both coding and ideological issues with lemmy as a platform (there’s plenty of discussions of this which have unfolded in the chat and beehaw support communities which I would suggest reading up on). However, if you are committed to making lemmy as a whole a better place, here’s a truncated list of some of the still existing issues:\n
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            1. One-way federation to protect our site culture\n
            2. Exemption from all feed & media reject to handle pornography\n
        - Purging posts and comments does not purge associated images\n
        - Reports are not sent to the right places (example: we don’t get reports about our users’ off-instance activity and reports are not sent to moderators which are off-instance)\n
        - The modlog does not work in a chronological fashion and does not allow to filter actions by instance or per community\n
        - Moderators are exposed to graphic images because a banned user’s description is still visible\n
        - If you are a mod of a community, and you get banned from that community you mod, you can still take mod actions\n
        - If you get site-banned from an instance and you are from another instance, you can still post on the community and people from your instance can see and interact with your posts
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      Thanks for the thorough answer. I’ll have to do some thinking.\n
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      Where are these discussions happening? I haven’t seen much on the Lemmy instance itself until like yesterday.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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            +body: "@sarmale@lemmy.zip exactly. I saw on r/RedditAlternatives that someone created a Lemmy instance that was defederated from everyone - so it is possible to turn your Lemmy server into a walled garden. Maybe an allowlist would make for a better middle ground."
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          +body: "We simply need a lot more moderation tools than the current set of lemmy devs are willing to create, and many of them see some of the requests as frivolous or not in line with their personal beliefs on how the website mechanics should work. There’s also a metric ton of bugs, potential legal issues with how the platform deals with federation and malicious and abhorrent material, and the issue of the code of choice this website runs on not being a particularly popular or easy to pick up coding language meaning less access to talent to fix or work on new things. We’ve been talking about potentially moving platforms for some time now and with time there are just more discoveries of new issues."
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        I will be honest with you, I do not think that it would be a good use of your time. This has been unfolding for a long time and its clear that there are both coding and ideological issues with lemmy as a platform (there’s plenty of discussions of this which have unfolded in the chat and beehaw support communities which I would suggest reading up on). However, if you are committed to making lemmy as a whole a better place, here’s a truncated list of some of the still existing issues:\n
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        - There are not enough federation options to deal effectively with current problems, at minimum: \n
            1. One-way federation to protect our site culture\n
            2. Exemption from all feed & media reject to handle pornography\n
        - Purging posts and comments does not purge associated images\n
        - Reports are not sent to the right places (example: we don’t get reports about our users’ off-instance activity and reports are not sent to moderators which are off-instance)\n
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