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Firewall

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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    \n
    Call it buddhism, christianity or whatever, but it seems like we need to believe in something like that.\n
    \n
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    \n
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    Im not religious, not in the sense that i follow any particular religion.\n
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    But it seems to me, analyzing the history of humanity across multiple cultures, that we humans have fundamentally a “spiritual need”, a need to believe into something that is bigger than us, that lies on a superior level of existence.\n
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    Call it buddhism, christianity or whatever, but it seems like we need to believe in something like that.\n
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    To an extent, i believe it has to do with us being moral animals and having a natural need for justice. We want to believe that justice exists in this world and a religion and its rules is a way to a just world. Because bad people go to hell, or are victims of karma.\n
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    The second problem with religion (and here i’m going on a tangent that doesn’t have much to do with the question at hand) is that it usually makes a validity claim for eternity, i.e. religion asserts that its rules and knowledge are valid forever (literally set in stone). This has done more harm than good to our improving of our set of guiding moral principles.\n
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