GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/m/privacy@lemmy.ml/t/23647/-/newest

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.97
Profiled on
Token
62f18c

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 21.25 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.07 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
App\Entity\Entry {#2419
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1970 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#265
    +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#246 …}
    +name: "privacy@lemmy.ml"
    +title: "privacy"
    +description: """
      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
      """
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    +postCount: 6
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    +isAdult: false
    +customCss: null
    +lastActive: DateTime @1729582580 {#275
      date: 2024-10-22 09:36:20.0 +02:00
    }
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    -id: 85
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    +apFollowersUrl: "https://lemmy.ml/c/privacy/followers"
    +apInboxUrl: "https://lemmy.ml/inbox"
    +apDomain: "lemmy.ml"
    +apPreferredUsername: "privacy"
    +apDiscoverable: true
    +apManuallyApprovesFollowers: null
    +privateKey: null
    +publicKey: null
    +apFetchedAt: DateTime @1729583592 {#269
      date: 2024-10-22 09:53:12.0 +02:00
    }
    +apDeletedAt: null
    +apTimeoutAt: null
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699780272 {#271
      date: 2023-11-12 10:11:12.0 +01:00
    }
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  +image: null
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  +slug: "Can-Apps-Share-Data-Back-n-Forth-on-GrapheneOS"
  +title: "Can Apps Share Data Back n Forth on GrapheneOS?"
  +url: null
  +body: "Say I have Google Camera installed with network permissions revoked. Say I also install Play Services which does have network access. Would Google Camera be able to share data about my pictures to Play Services which would then phone home to Google?"
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 23
  +favouriteCount: 33
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1707752112 {#2414
    date: 2024-02-12 16:35:12.0 +01:00
  }
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  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
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  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1973 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1959 …}
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  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2442 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2440 …}
  +children: []
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  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1703185139
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  +apId: "https://lemm.ee/post/18606808"
  +editedAt: null
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    date: 2023-12-20 19:58:59.0 +01:00
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
App\Entity\Entry {#2419
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1970 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#265
    +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#246 …}
    +name: "privacy@lemmy.ml"
    +title: "privacy"
    +description: """
      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
      """
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    +entryCommentCount: 7684
    +postCount: 6
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    +isAdult: false
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    +lastActive: DateTime @1729582580 {#275
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    }
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    +tags: null
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    +moderatorRequests: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#222 …}
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    +apInboxUrl: "https://lemmy.ml/inbox"
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    +privateKey: null
    +publicKey: null
    +apFetchedAt: DateTime @1729583592 {#269
      date: 2024-10-22 09:53:12.0 +02:00
    }
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    +apTimeoutAt: null
    +visibility: "visible             "
    +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1699780272 {#271
      date: 2023-11-12 10:11:12.0 +01:00
    }
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  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1915 …}
  +slug: "Can-Apps-Share-Data-Back-n-Forth-on-GrapheneOS"
  +title: "Can Apps Share Data Back n Forth on GrapheneOS?"
  +url: null
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  +cross: false
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    date: 2023-12-20 19:58:59.0 +01:00
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
App\Entity\Entry {#2419
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1970 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#265
    +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#246 …}
    +name: "privacy@lemmy.ml"
    +title: "privacy"
    +description: """
      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
      """
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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        There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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            There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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            There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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            They discourage fdroid because it’s not very secure, until it ever gets better\n
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            There’s the secure Accrescent, but it has almost no apps in it\n
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          I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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            There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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            They discourage fdroid because it’s not very secure, until it ever gets better\n
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            There’s the secure Accrescent, but it has almost no apps in it\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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          They discourage fdroid because it’s not very secure, until it ever gets better\n
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          There’s the secure Accrescent, but it has almost no apps in it\n
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        I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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        Because in my current opinion and approach, if you vet your apps and practice good digital hygiene, then FOSS>GOOGL/Alphabet for nearly everything from a privacy and security perspective.\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
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        There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        +body: "This is why I don’t like Graphene os. Its encourages using proprietary apps that over Foss. With a Foss camera app from F-droid you don’t need play services and the app with do exactly what its meant to do, nothing more."
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        There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        They discourage fdroid because it’s not very secure, until it ever gets better\n
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        There’s the secure Accrescent, but it has almost no apps in it\n
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        (Yeah, but actually you can just use obtainium, this is probably the future)
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      I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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      I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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    That is old(ish) news. And f-droid have since then implemented allowing [reproducible builds](https://f-droid.org/docs/Reproducible_Builds/)\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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        I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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    That is old(ish) news. And f-droid have since then implemented allowing [reproducible builds](https://f-droid.org/docs/Reproducible_Builds/)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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          +body: "This is why I don’t like Graphene os. Its encourages using proprietary apps that over Foss. With a Foss camera app from F-droid you don’t need play services and the app with do exactly what its meant to do, nothing more."
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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          They discourage fdroid because it’s not very secure, until it ever gets better\n
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          There’s the secure Accrescent, but it has almost no apps in it\n
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        I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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        I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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        Because in my current opinion and approach, if you vet your apps and practice good digital hygiene, then FOSS>GOOGL/Alphabet for nearly everything from a privacy and security perspective.\n
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        Edit: if I misunderstood and you were saying don’t use G playstore or Aurora AND don’t use F-Droid, then may I ask where are you getting your apps, other than directly from the devs page or github and so on?
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    That is old(ish) news. And f-droid have since then implemented allowing [reproducible builds](https://f-droid.org/docs/Reproducible_Builds/)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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          There’s the secure Accrescent, but it has almost no apps in it\n
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        I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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        ### Related communities\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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          +body: "This is why I don’t like Graphene os. Its encourages using proprietary apps that over Foss. With a Foss camera app from F-droid you don’t need play services and the app with do exactly what its meant to do, nothing more."
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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        I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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        I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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    +body: "Here is one brief video explaining some of F Droids security issues: [youtu.be/lAbgeJau3eE&t=305](https://youtu.be/lAbgeJau3eE&t=305)piped link: [piped.video/watch?v=lAbgeJau3eE&t=314](https://piped.video/watch?v=lAbgeJau3eE&t=314)"
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        +body: "This is why I don’t like Graphene os. Its encourages using proprietary apps that over Foss. With a Foss camera app from F-droid you don’t need play services and the app with do exactly what its meant to do, nothing more."
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        There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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        They discourage fdroid because it’s not very secure, until it ever gets better\n
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        There’s the secure Accrescent, but it has almost no apps in it\n
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        (Yeah, but actually you can just use obtainium, this is probably the future)
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      I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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      I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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      Because in my current opinion and approach, if you vet your apps and practice good digital hygiene, then FOSS>GOOGL/Alphabet for nearly everything from a privacy and security perspective.\n
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      Edit: if I misunderstood and you were saying don’t use G playstore or Aurora AND don’t use F-Droid, then may I ask where are you getting your apps, other than directly from the devs page or github and so on?
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    I’m a little bit too late 🤪\n
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    I personally don’t use anything of google, browsing and trying apps from fdroid, and have obtainium for the ones I usually use\n
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    But Graphene’s approach is all about security, and privacy only after it So they recommend the most secure options first, and don’t recommend minor options So, their current opinion on fdroid that it’s less secure than googlag’s store, so a more secure option would be googlag, or that second store that has 3 apps in it\n
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    But it’s for “marketplace” apps, so obtainium not in the scope, but kinda should be (we just need to rethink where we get our apps from)
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        There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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    I’m a little bit too late 🤪\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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          There’s the secure Accrescent, but it has almost no apps in it\n
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        I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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        I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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          There’s gos’ camera already preinstalled, no need to download anything 🫣\n
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          They discourage fdroid because it’s not very secure, until it ever gets better\n
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          There’s the secure Accrescent, but it has almost no apps in it\n
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        I’d like to see some evidence that F-Droid is less secure (or privacy respecting) than using the big Gs playstore or services, which many, if not most, playstore apps depend on to function.\n
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        I mean this sincerely and respectfully. I’d love to look onto it.\n
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        Because in my current opinion and approach, if you vet your apps and practice good digital hygiene, then FOSS>GOOGL/Alphabet for nearly everything from a privacy and security perspective.\n
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      I’m a little bit too late 🤪\n
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      I personally don’t use anything of google, browsing and trying apps from fdroid, and have obtainium for the ones I usually use\n
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      But Graphene’s approach is all about security, and privacy only after it So they recommend the most secure options first, and don’t recommend minor options So, their current opinion on fdroid that it’s less secure than googlag’s store, so a more secure option would be googlag, or that second store that has 3 apps in it\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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