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      \n
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      \n
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      \n
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          Please use spoiler tags whenever commenting a spoiler in a non-spoiler thread. Most of the Lemmy clients don’t support this but we want to get into the habit as clients will be supporting in the future.\n
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    Literally every single person knew what the movie was supposed to be: a superhero movie. An action/adventure movie with excitement, a few mild scares, some laughs, explosions, fights, etc. Sure, within the genre there can be “light-hearted, mostly comedy romp” and “dark, gritty, shades of grey” tones of film within it, but zero people are walking into this one expecting Pride and Prejudice, and it’s silly at best to suggest otherwise.\n
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