GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/search/top?p=8&q=community%40instance

Response
200 OK
IP
3.15.215.190
Profiled on
Token
68e469

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 0.16 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.04 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1649
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2609 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1412 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2649 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2535 …}
  +slug: "Waiting"
  +title: "Waiting"
  +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f72db193-1de8-4745-bcb7-6feb3e040489.jpeg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 47
  +favouriteCount: 453
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1702493583 {#2644
    date: 2023-12-13 19:53:03.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2651 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2653 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2655 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2657 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2659 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2661 …}
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    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1652
      +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1655 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1649 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1412 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1651 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1651 …}
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      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1663 …}
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        Ha, this is me. I did exactly that (with a community for the TV show Andor) and am guilty of the behaviour you describe.\n
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        I’ve probably been thinking along the same lines as you and OP though, 'cos I deleted the community a couple of days ago. I realized that if I had something more to say about that show, it doesn’t belong in it’s own niche community, or ‘Star Wars TV’, or ‘Star Wars’, or even ‘Television’. Perhaps a ‘Movies&TV’ comm, although - at this rate - maybe even ‘entertainment’ would be best.\n
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    As I watch The Internet look like it’s starting to adopt a new phase (let’s call it federation writ large), I’m watching for signs of both success and struggle. I have some strong opinions of features and functionality lacking in the current suite of UIs that might help adoption, but thing I’ve been thinking about more recently is the effects of premature fragmentation.\n
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        Ha, this is me. I did exactly that (with a community for the TV show Andor) and am guilty of the behaviour you describe.\n
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    As I watch The Internet look like it’s starting to adopt a new phase (let’s call it federation writ large), I’m watching for signs of both success and struggle. I have some strong opinions of features and functionality lacking in the current suite of UIs that might help adoption, but thing I’ve been thinking about more recently is the effects of premature fragmentation.\n
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        Ha, this is me. I did exactly that (with a community for the TV show Andor) and am guilty of the behaviour you describe.\n
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      As I watch The Internet look like it’s starting to adopt a new phase (let’s call it federation writ large), I’m watching for signs of both success and struggle. I have some strong opinions of features and functionality lacking in the current suite of UIs that might help adoption, but thing I’ve been thinking about more recently is the effects of premature fragmentation.\n
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      Like so many things, it boils down to a problem of discovery. By discovery, I mean the user’s ability to find posts and topics that they want to read and engage with.\n
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      If lemmy had 10 users, we would not need separate topics. It’d probably be a few posts a day, tops, and it’d be easy enough to just scan through and see if anything of interest was being discussed. That could probably scale up a bit - let’s call it 100 users just for discussion. 100 users, 10-15 posts per day. Somewhere beyond that, you’d probably want to start some kind of classification. It would need to be at a fairly high level, like tech and politics. I’m thinking of things like 90s era slashdot. The point I’m making is that 1000 users would be too few to fragment the tech topic/tag into separate operating systems, much less specific flavors or versions of Linux.\n
      \n
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      What I’m getting to is that it may be that one of the strengths of a service like lemmy, which allows for an almost unlimited expansion of communities including duplications, is not applying the concept of a fitness function, and actually can make things harder to discover and thus the service harder to use, reducing the ability to recruit and retain users. It reduces the average number of posts per topic and increases noise both in search and in the feed. I’ve ended up defaulting my clients to basically showing /all and sorting by recent just to make sure I’m not missing anything interesting, then blocking communities one by one. That’s not sustainable or friendly to more casual users. It’s definitely not the Apollo-on-Reddit kind of UX.\n
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      I’m not sure what can or should be done, given both the architecture and philosophy. I’m just thinking about how things like network theory can inform how this sort of thing can be optimized.
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    Ha, this is me. I did exactly that (with a community for the TV show Andor) and am guilty of the behaviour you describe.\n
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    I’ve probably been thinking along the same lines as you and OP though, 'cos I deleted the community a couple of days ago. I realized that if I had something more to say about that show, it doesn’t belong in it’s own niche community, or ‘Star Wars TV’, or ‘Star Wars’, or even ‘Television’. Perhaps a ‘Movies&TV’ comm, although - at this rate - maybe even ‘entertainment’ would be best.\n
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    I’m starting to think that instances that limit community creation to admins have the right idea (e.g. Beehaw, or - to use a non-federated example - tildes).\n
    \n
    Some instances have started ‘Community Teams’, but I sense that anytime they discover a dead community, their instinct is to find ways to promote it, get new mods, drive engagement etc, whereas I’m more of the opinion that they should be nuked and consolidated (along the lines of what the ‘cooking’ communities have tried to do, I suppose).
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      +body: "Small instances don’t prevent Lemmy from being centralized, people don’t mind if their instance defederates from an instance with 5 people. Medium-sized instances (e.g. dbzer0) prevent wrongful defederation, because people will suddenly miss a few communities / users."
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        @bogdugg\n
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        > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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        kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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        The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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        A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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        Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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        Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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        I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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        @bogdugg\n
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        The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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        A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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        Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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        Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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        Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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        I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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          1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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      +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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          I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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        @bogdugg\n
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        > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
        \n
        kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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        The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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        A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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        Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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        Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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        Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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        I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
            2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse.  \n
             3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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          OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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        +body: "Small instances don’t prevent Lemmy from being centralized, people don’t mind if their instance defederates from an instance with 5 people. Medium-sized instances (e.g. dbzer0) prevent wrongful defederation, because people will suddenly miss a few communities / users."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
            2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse.  \n
             3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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          OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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        +body: "Small instances don’t prevent Lemmy from being centralized, people don’t mind if their instance defederates from an instance with 5 people. Medium-sized instances (e.g. dbzer0) prevent wrongful defederation, because people will suddenly miss a few communities / users."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
            2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse.  \n
             3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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          OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
          \n
          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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          I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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        +body: "Seems like what a lot of people want is a hybrid of Usenet and Reddit, but what we have is more like a bunch of reddits that are willing to talk to each other. Certainly better for governance and redundancy and as a kind of organic load balancing in a cash-poor ecosystem, but the "killer app" would be (optional?) persistence of communities outside of instances."
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    @bogdugg\n
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    > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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    kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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        +body: "Small instances don’t prevent Lemmy from being centralized, people don’t mind if their instance defederates from an instance with 5 people. Medium-sized instances (e.g. dbzer0) prevent wrongful defederation, because people will suddenly miss a few communities / users."
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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          I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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        +body: "Seems like what a lot of people want is a hybrid of Usenet and Reddit, but what we have is more like a bunch of reddits that are willing to talk to each other. Certainly better for governance and redundancy and as a kind of organic load balancing in a cash-poor ecosystem, but the "killer app" would be (optional?) persistence of communities outside of instances."
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    @bogdugg\n
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    > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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    kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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        +body: "Small instances don’t prevent Lemmy from being centralized, people don’t mind if their instance defederates from an instance with 5 people. Medium-sized instances (e.g. dbzer0) prevent wrongful defederation, because people will suddenly miss a few communities / users."
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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          I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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          Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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          Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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    I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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    It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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        +body: "Seems like what a lot of people want is a hybrid of Usenet and Reddit, but what we have is more like a bunch of reddits that are willing to talk to each other. Certainly better for governance and redundancy and as a kind of organic load balancing in a cash-poor ecosystem, but the "killer app" would be (optional?) persistence of communities outside of instances."
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    I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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    It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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    tl;dr: centralized control bad, centralized discussion good, the current system does a bad job of reconciling these two positions
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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    I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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    It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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    The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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    A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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    Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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    Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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    note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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    OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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    The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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    A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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    Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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    Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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    note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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    OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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        +body: "Small instances don’t prevent Lemmy from being centralized, people don’t mind if their instance defederates from an instance with 5 people. Medium-sized instances (e.g. dbzer0) prevent wrongful defederation, because people will suddenly miss a few communities / users."
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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             3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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    The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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    A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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    Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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    Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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        +body: "Seems like what a lot of people want is a hybrid of Usenet and Reddit, but what we have is more like a bunch of reddits that are willing to talk to each other. Certainly better for governance and redundancy and as a kind of organic load balancing in a cash-poor ecosystem, but the "killer app" would be (optional?) persistence of communities outside of instances."
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    Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
    \n
    I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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             3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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        +body: "Seems like what a lot of people want is a hybrid of Usenet and Reddit, but what we have is more like a bunch of reddits that are willing to talk to each other. Certainly better for governance and redundancy and as a kind of organic load balancing in a cash-poor ecosystem, but the "killer app" would be (optional?) persistence of communities outside of instances."
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    Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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    I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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    Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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    Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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    I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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    Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
            2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse.  \n
             3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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          Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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  +body: "Seems like what a lot of people want is a hybrid of Usenet and Reddit, but what we have is more like a bunch of reddits that are willing to talk to each other. Certainly better for governance and redundancy and as a kind of organic load balancing in a cash-poor ecosystem, but the "killer app" would be (optional?) persistence of communities outside of instances."
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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        +body: "Small instances don’t prevent Lemmy from being centralized, people don’t mind if their instance defederates from an instance with 5 people. Medium-sized instances (e.g. dbzer0) prevent wrongful defederation, because people will suddenly miss a few communities / users."
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            1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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             3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
           @gicagaf805
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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          OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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          Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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        +body: "Small instances don’t prevent Lemmy from being centralized, people don’t mind if their instance defederates from an instance with 5 people. Medium-sized instances (e.g. dbzer0) prevent wrongful defederation, because people will suddenly miss a few communities / users."
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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    1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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          @bogdugg\n
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          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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    1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        +body: "There is no monopoly if you have a dozen big instances. But if you have 1000 instances? What is the point. Can’t start a community there without it going poof the next week."
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            I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
            \n
            It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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            tl;dr: centralized control bad, centralized discussion good, the current system does a bad job of reconciling these two positions
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          @bogdugg\n
          \n
          > The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
          \n
          kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate  \n
           @gicagaf805
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          The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
          \n
          A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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          Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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          Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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          note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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          OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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          Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
          \n
          I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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          Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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    1: Even big instances start out small.  \n
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        Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
        \n
        If there’s a clearly bad/misinformed/rude take, they simply don’t get voted on. They rarely have more than the single 1 vote of their terrible opinion/sharing.\n
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        It’s common to see +10 to +30 on a positive comment, with the comment it’s responding to at 1.\n
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        I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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        Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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        IMO trading having bad comments be visibly negative in order to prevent the downvote farmers is a reasonable exchange
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        Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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        It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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        My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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        It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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        Try holding a conversation when posts are all sitting in the negatives and nobody sees them unless they go directly to the community and sort by new.
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      +body: "lemmynsfw has implemented (or intends to) an interesting compromise, in that you can only downvote posts on that instance’s communities that you’re already subscribed to. Ideally, this means that downvotes are for the quality of the individual post, rather than as a reaction to the type of content."
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      +body: "I downvote stuff from communities that removed it from my instance and Sync for Lemmy lol, or at least I have never noticed the lack of the feature."
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        Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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        If there’s a clearly bad/misinformed/rude take, they simply don’t get voted on. They rarely have more than the single 1 vote of their terrible opinion/sharing.\n
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        It’s common to see +10 to +30 on a positive comment, with the comment it’s responding to at 1.\n
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        I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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        Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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        Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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        My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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        It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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        Try holding a conversation when posts are all sitting in the negatives and nobody sees them unless they go directly to the community and sort by new.
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      +body: "I downvote stuff from communities that removed it from my instance and Sync for Lemmy lol, or at least I have never noticed the lack of the feature."
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        Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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        I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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        Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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        Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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        It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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        My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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        It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          If there’s a clearly bad/misinformed/rude take, they simply don’t get voted on. They rarely have more than the single 1 vote of their terrible opinion/sharing.\n
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          It’s common to see +10 to +30 on a positive comment, with the comment it’s responding to at 1.\n
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          I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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          Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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          It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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          My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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          It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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        +body: "lemmynsfw has implemented (or intends to) an interesting compromise, in that you can only downvote posts on that instance’s communities that you’re already subscribed to. Ideally, this means that downvotes are for the quality of the individual post, rather than as a reaction to the type of content."
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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        +body: "I downvote stuff from communities that removed it from my instance and Sync for Lemmy lol, or at least I have never noticed the lack of the feature."
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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          It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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          My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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          It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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          Try holding a conversation when posts are all sitting in the negatives and nobody sees them unless they go directly to the community and sort by new.
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        +body: "lemmynsfw has implemented (or intends to) an interesting compromise, in that you can only downvote posts on that instance’s communities that you’re already subscribed to. Ideally, this means that downvotes are for the quality of the individual post, rather than as a reaction to the type of content."
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    Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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    If there’s a clearly bad/misinformed/rude take, they simply don’t get voted on. They rarely have more than the single 1 vote of their terrible opinion/sharing.\n
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    It’s common to see +10 to +30 on a positive comment, with the comment it’s responding to at 1.\n
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    I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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    Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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        +body: "lemmynsfw has implemented (or intends to) an interesting compromise, in that you can only downvote posts on that instance’s communities that you’re already subscribed to. Ideally, this means that downvotes are for the quality of the individual post, rather than as a reaction to the type of content."
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    Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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    If there’s a clearly bad/misinformed/rude take, they simply don’t get voted on. They rarely have more than the single 1 vote of their terrible opinion/sharing.\n
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    It’s common to see +10 to +30 on a positive comment, with the comment it’s responding to at 1.\n
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    I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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    Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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    All in all, I think there are good and bad things about not having a downvote. I do think downvote disabled helps some aspects (engagement, active/trending posts) but it could also negatively influence federated content (spam, bad actors). I don’t think a comment being at -30 is any more telling than the same comment at 1 when it’s surrounded by +30 upvoted comments. However, if someone actively sought out getting downvoted, that can no longer exist.\n
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    IMO trading having bad comments be visibly negative in order to prevent the downvote farmers is a reasonable exchange
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        +body: "I downvote stuff from communities that removed it from my instance and Sync for Lemmy lol, or at least I have never noticed the lack of the feature."
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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          It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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          My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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          It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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          Try holding a conversation when posts are all sitting in the negatives and nobody sees them unless they go directly to the community and sort by new.
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    Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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    If there’s a clearly bad/misinformed/rude take, they simply don’t get voted on. They rarely have more than the single 1 vote of their terrible opinion/sharing.\n
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    It’s common to see +10 to +30 on a positive comment, with the comment it’s responding to at 1.\n
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    I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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    Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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    IMO trading having bad comments be visibly negative in order to prevent the downvote farmers is a reasonable exchange
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        +body: "I downvote stuff from communities that removed it from my instance and Sync for Lemmy lol, or at least I have never noticed the lack of the feature."
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          If there’s a clearly bad/misinformed/rude take, they simply don’t get voted on. They rarely have more than the single 1 vote of their terrible opinion/sharing.\n
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          I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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          It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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          Try holding a conversation when posts are all sitting in the negatives and nobody sees them unless they go directly to the community and sort by new.
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        +body: "lemmynsfw has implemented (or intends to) an interesting compromise, in that you can only downvote posts on that instance’s communities that you’re already subscribed to. Ideally, this means that downvotes are for the quality of the individual post, rather than as a reaction to the type of content."
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    Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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    It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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    My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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          Try holding a conversation when posts are all sitting in the negatives and nobody sees them unless they go directly to the community and sort by new.
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        +body: "lemmynsfw has implemented (or intends to) an interesting compromise, in that you can only downvote posts on that instance’s communities that you’re already subscribed to. Ideally, this means that downvotes are for the quality of the individual post, rather than as a reaction to the type of content."
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    Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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    It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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    My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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        +body: "I downvote stuff from communities that removed it from my instance and Sync for Lemmy lol, or at least I have never noticed the lack of the feature."
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          It’s common to see +10 to +30 on a positive comment, with the comment it’s responding to at 1.\n
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          I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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          Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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          It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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    Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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    It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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        +body: "lemmynsfw has implemented (or intends to) an interesting compromise, in that you can only downvote posts on that instance’s communities that you’re already subscribed to. Ideally, this means that downvotes are for the quality of the individual post, rather than as a reaction to the type of content."
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    It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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    Try holding a conversation when posts are all sitting in the negatives and nobody sees them unless they go directly to the community and sort by new.
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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          It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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          My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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    It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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    Try holding a conversation when posts are all sitting in the negatives and nobody sees them unless they go directly to the community and sort by new.
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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          Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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    It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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          It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
          \n
          If there’s a clearly bad/misinformed/rude take, they simply don’t get voted on. They rarely have more than the single 1 vote of their terrible opinion/sharing.\n
          \n
          It’s common to see +10 to +30 on a positive comment, with the comment it’s responding to at 1.\n
          \n
          I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
          \n
          Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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          All in all, I think there are good and bad things about not having a downvote. I do think downvote disabled helps some aspects (engagement, active/trending posts) but it could also negatively influence federated content (spam, bad actors). I don’t think a comment being at -30 is any more telling than the same comment at 1 when it’s surrounded by +30 upvoted comments. However, if someone actively sought out getting downvoted, that can no longer exist.\n
          \n
          IMO trading having bad comments be visibly negative in order to prevent the downvote farmers is a reasonable exchange
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
          \n
          It’s also something I’ve pointed out in the past that netted me bans on other instances (not just the community but the whole instance)\n
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          My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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          It’s because bigots will blanket down vote any and everything in queer instances.\n
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          Try holding a conversation when posts are all sitting in the negatives and nobody sees them unless they go directly to the community and sort by new.
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  +body: "lemmynsfw has implemented (or intends to) an interesting compromise, in that you can only downvote posts on that instance’s communities that you’re already subscribed to. Ideally, this means that downvotes are for the quality of the individual post, rather than as a reaction to the type of content."
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        +body: "I downvote stuff from communities that removed it from my instance and Sync for Lemmy lol, or at least I have never noticed the lack of the feature."
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          Beehaw does the same. I’m not sure if that’s been the case in our instance. I don’t inherently disagree, but I’m not 100% sold either.\n
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          If there’s a clearly bad/misinformed/rude take, they simply don’t get voted on. They rarely have more than the single 1 vote of their terrible opinion/sharing.\n
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          It’s common to see +10 to +30 on a positive comment, with the comment it’s responding to at 1.\n
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          I don’t disagree that it could be a bad thing, but I think it’s about the community and its practice surrounding it as well. So far in my experience on the instance I participate in I’ve seen it be effective.\n
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          Also I’m not sure if this is a thing on Lemmy but on reddit there were downvote farmers. Downvoting could also actually *encourage* people to perform these terrible comments to accumulate as many downvotes as they can. Downvoting disabled removed this problem in its entirety. Reddit has this issue long before some of its other problems and it has only grown since, up til I left. I don’t know what the state of it is now, and I’m not sure how big of an issue it even is on Lemmy. It comes down to finding the line between what is preferable.\n
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          IMO trading having bad comments be visibly negative in order to prevent the downvote farmers is a reasonable exchange
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          Your take on Hexbear is absolutely correct\n
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          My instance has down votes disabled as well and it’s something that has made me want to switch instances at times. Not to mention the admin ***really*** wanting to federate with Hexbear which is absolutely not popular with the users on the instance.
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