GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/u/@ObM@lemmy.world

Response
200 OK
IP
13.59.182.74
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Token
717d6e

Security

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Firewall

main Name
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Configuration

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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
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access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
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  "remember_me"
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  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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12 
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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2 DENIED moderate 
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1568 …}
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  +url: "https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/cd288b3b-1008-488d-98bc-6b95c42e7327.jpeg"
  +body: """
    Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
    \n
    Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
    \n
    According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
    \n
    Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
    \n
    Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
    \n
    Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…\n
    \n
    If there’s anyone here using Cafetto, Cafiza or similar *powders* with their Breville/Sage machine, please let me know your routine (how much powder by weight) and if you do anything else.\n
    \n
    P.S. my machine comes with a blind portafilter rubber disc with *no hole*, so there’s no concern with the powder “squirting out” prematurely through the portafilter.\n
    \n
    I appreciate your expertise and feedback on this one. Thanks in advance!!
    """
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    date: 2024-09-12 03:40:42.0 +02:00
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      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1568 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
        \n
        I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
        \n
        But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
        \n
        If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
        \n
        I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
        \n
        If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
        \n
        I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
        \n
        After a rinse or two I can’t imagine it’d be concentrated enough to case an issue from a tiny taste test (but I’m not a doctor, you do you).
        """
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        date: 2024-09-12 03:40:42.0 +02:00
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        date: 2024-01-14 10:44:01.0 +01:00
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      +body: """
        Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
        \n
        I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
        \n
        The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
        \n
        From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
        \n
        But they’re not particularly nasty compared to things like dishwasher tablets.\n
        \n
        You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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        "@ObM@lemmy.world"
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      +ranking: 0
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      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1705227203 {#1557
        date: 2024-01-14 11:13:23.0 +01:00
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      +body: """
        Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
        \n
        It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
        \n
        These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
        \n
        Anyways. Fight the power. :) Good luck.
        """
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1527
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  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2018 …}
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  +slug: "Breville-Sage-Touch-Impress-cleaning-backflush-cycle"
  +title: "Breville/Sage Touch Impress cleaning (backflush) cycle"
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  +body: """
    Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
    \n
    Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
    \n
    According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
    \n
    Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
    \n
    Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
    \n
    Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…\n
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    If there’s anyone here using Cafetto, Cafiza or similar *powders* with their Breville/Sage machine, please let me know your routine (how much powder by weight) and if you do anything else.\n
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    P.S. my machine comes with a blind portafilter rubber disc with *no hole*, so there’s no concern with the powder “squirting out” prematurely through the portafilter.\n
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    I appreciate your expertise and feedback on this one. Thanks in advance!!
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        You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
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        I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
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        But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
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        If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
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        I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
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        If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
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        I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
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        After a rinse or two I can’t imagine it’d be concentrated enough to case an issue from a tiny taste test (but I’m not a doctor, you do you).
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        Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
        \n
        I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
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        The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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        From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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        But they’re not particularly nasty compared to things like dishwasher tablets.\n
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        You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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        Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
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        It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
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        These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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        Anyways. Fight the power. :) Good luck.
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    Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
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        You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
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        I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
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        But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
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        If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
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        I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
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        If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
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        I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
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        Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
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        I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
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        The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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        From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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        Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
        \n
        It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
        \n
        These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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        Anyways. Fight the power. :) Good luck.
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      Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
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      Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
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      Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
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          Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
          \n
          I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
          \n
          The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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          From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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          But they’re not particularly nasty compared to things like dishwasher tablets.\n
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          You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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          Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
          \n
          It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
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          These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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    You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
    \n
    I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
    \n
    But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
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    If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
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    I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
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    If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
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    I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
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    After a rinse or two I can’t imagine it’d be concentrated enough to case an issue from a tiny taste test (but I’m not a doctor, you do you).
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      Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
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      Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
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      According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
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      Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
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      Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
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      Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…\n
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      If there’s anyone here using Cafetto, Cafiza or similar *powders* with their Breville/Sage machine, please let me know your routine (how much powder by weight) and if you do anything else.\n
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      P.S. my machine comes with a blind portafilter rubber disc with *no hole*, so there’s no concern with the powder “squirting out” prematurely through the portafilter.\n
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      I appreciate your expertise and feedback on this one. Thanks in advance!!
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          Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
          \n
          I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
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          The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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          From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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          But they’re not particularly nasty compared to things like dishwasher tablets.\n
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          You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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          Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
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          It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
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          These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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          Anyways. Fight the power. :) Good luck.
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    You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
    \n
    I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
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    But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
    \n
    If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
    \n
    I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
    \n
    If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
    \n
    I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
    \n
    After a rinse or two I can’t imagine it’d be concentrated enough to case an issue from a tiny taste test (but I’m not a doctor, you do you).
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      Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
      \n
      Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
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      According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
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      Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
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      Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
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      Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…\n
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      If there’s anyone here using Cafetto, Cafiza or similar *powders* with their Breville/Sage machine, please let me know your routine (how much powder by weight) and if you do anything else.\n
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      P.S. my machine comes with a blind portafilter rubber disc with *no hole*, so there’s no concern with the powder “squirting out” prematurely through the portafilter.\n
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      I appreciate your expertise and feedback on this one. Thanks in advance!!
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          Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
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          I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
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          The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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          From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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          You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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          Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
          \n
          It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
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          These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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          Anyways. Fight the power. :) Good luck.
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    You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
    \n
    I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
    \n
    But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
    \n
    If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
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    I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
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    If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
    \n
    I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
    \n
    After a rinse or two I can’t imagine it’d be concentrated enough to case an issue from a tiny taste test (but I’m not a doctor, you do you).
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      Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
      \n
      Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
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      According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
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      Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
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          You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
          \n
          I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
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          Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
          \n
          It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
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          These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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    Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
    \n
    I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
    \n
    The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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    From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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    But they’re not particularly nasty compared to things like dishwasher tablets.\n
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    You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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      Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
      \n
      Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
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      According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
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      Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
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      Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
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      Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…\n
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      If there’s anyone here using Cafetto, Cafiza or similar *powders* with their Breville/Sage machine, please let me know your routine (how much powder by weight) and if you do anything else.\n
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      P.S. my machine comes with a blind portafilter rubber disc with *no hole*, so there’s no concern with the powder “squirting out” prematurely through the portafilter.\n
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      I appreciate your expertise and feedback on this one. Thanks in advance!!
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          You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
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          I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
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          But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
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          If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
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          I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
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          If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
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          I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
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          After a rinse or two I can’t imagine it’d be concentrated enough to case an issue from a tiny taste test (but I’m not a doctor, you do you).
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          Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
          \n
          It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
          \n
          These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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          Anyways. Fight the power. :) Good luck.
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    Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
    \n
    I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
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    The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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    From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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    But they’re not particularly nasty compared to things like dishwasher tablets.\n
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    You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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      Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
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      Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
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      According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
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      Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
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      Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
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      Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…\n
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      If there’s anyone here using Cafetto, Cafiza or similar *powders* with their Breville/Sage machine, please let me know your routine (how much powder by weight) and if you do anything else.\n
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      P.S. my machine comes with a blind portafilter rubber disc with *no hole*, so there’s no concern with the powder “squirting out” prematurely through the portafilter.\n
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      I appreciate your expertise and feedback on this one. Thanks in advance!!
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          You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
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          I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
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          But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
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          If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
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          I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
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          If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
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          I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
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          After a rinse or two I can’t imagine it’d be concentrated enough to case an issue from a tiny taste test (but I’m not a doctor, you do you).
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          Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
          \n
          It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
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          These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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          Anyways. Fight the power. :) Good luck.
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    Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
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    I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
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    The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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    From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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    But they’re not particularly nasty compared to things like dishwasher tablets.\n
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    You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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      Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
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      Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
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      According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
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      Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
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      Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
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      Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…\n
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          You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
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          I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
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          But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
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          If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
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          I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
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          If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
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          I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
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          After a rinse or two I can’t imagine it’d be concentrated enough to case an issue from a tiny taste test (but I’m not a doctor, you do you).
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          Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
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          I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
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          The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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    Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
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    It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
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    These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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    Anyways. Fight the power. :) Good luck.
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      Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
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      Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
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      According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
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      Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
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      Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
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      Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…\n
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          You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
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          I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
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          Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
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          I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
          \n
          The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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          From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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          But they’re not particularly nasty compared to things like dishwasher tablets.\n
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          You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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    Good to know. But, so far we haven’t got DRMed cleaning tablets. So, when it asks to clean, throw in some random powder, push the button and let it do whatever it wants. I can’t see how they’ll ever know.\n
    \n
    It pisses me off. Because I’d happily buy manufacturer brand consumables if they weren’t such scumbag assholes with their pricing. I might even consider a small premium if the product is decent but not 400% premium just because it matches their brand.\n
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    These assholes package up the same common salt-shaker-garden-variety-chemicals costing 1-2 cents per dose (which generic brands charge 10-20c / dose) and sell it for $1 a dose. Screw that.\n
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    Anyways. Fight the power. :) Good luck.
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      Hi all, recently I acquired a number of 1kg tubs of Cafetto evo cleaner on sale. I figured since Breville/Sage backflush tablets are the 1.5g Cafetto variety (see photos), I can probably safely replace them with Cafetto powder.\n
      \n
      Now, the powder comes with a little scoop. Each scoop of powder is about 3-4g of powder, so a lot more than a standard Breville 1.5g Cafetto tablet (see photo for dimensions of said tablets).\n
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      According to the instructions, I need a scoop of powder for each cleaning cycle. That’s at least 2x more mass than a Breville tablet. I wonder why that is…\n
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      Is the powder less concentrated than the Breville tablets? Maybe it’s the “evo” brand (certified organic) vs. the regular brand (organic version is “weaker” somehow)?\n
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      Or is it likely that the powder instructions are “universal”/generic and apply to all machines, from a tiny Bambino to big ass commercial units?\n
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      Most importantly, do you think it’s safe to use “too much” powder (i.e. one full scoop as per directions on the tub)? When I used the 1.5g Breville tablets with my machine, it took 2 cleaning cycles back to back to fully dissolve it, so I worry that if I run the cycle with 4g of powder, it’s gonna take forever to dissolve…\n
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      If there’s anyone here using Cafetto, Cafiza or similar *powders* with their Breville/Sage machine, please let me know your routine (how much powder by weight) and if you do anything else.\n
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      P.S. my machine comes with a blind portafilter rubber disc with *no hole*, so there’s no concern with the powder “squirting out” prematurely through the portafilter.\n
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      I appreciate your expertise and feedback on this one. Thanks in advance!!
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          You can find the general compositions of the powders and tablets from the safety data sheets here: [www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets](https://www.cafetto.com/safety-data-sheets)\n
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          I managed to find a Breville SDS to compare ([…amazonaws.com/…/Breville Eco Coffee Residue Clea…](https://s3-ap-southeast-2.amazonaws.com/wc-prod-pim/Asset_Documents/Breville%20Eco%20Coffee%20Residue%20Cleaning%20Tablet%20SDS.pdf))\n
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          But from what I’ve seen, they’re all pretty much the same - Washing soda and an oxygen bleach (some brands add surfactants).\n
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          If you did it by approximate weight you’d be fine. But double dose probably wouldn’t make a difference either (the ingredients are easily dissolved).\n
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          I’d suspect the tablets contain a binder that might make them slower to dissolve.\n
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          If you want to get experimental, couch a spoon in one glass and a tablet in another and fill hald with hot water and see how long they take to dissolve.\n
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          I’m curious, but probably wouldn’t be curious enough to do it. I’d just Chuck in the scoop and give it a wash cycle and maybe an additional rinse (wash without powder) until the final rinse water from the clean cycle looks clear and tastes ok.\n
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          After a rinse or two I can’t imagine it’d be concentrated enough to case an issue from a tiny taste test (but I’m not a doctor, you do you).
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          Yeah you are a bit but manufacturers do like to ham up the warnings, so it’s understandable.\n
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          I wouldn’t stress. They’re all so similar. The variations will need mostly proprietary differentiation nonsense.\n
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          The sodium carbonate might attack copper and aluminium at moderate concentrations. I suspect the concentration would be enough to do mild damage if you left it a long time (ever run an aluminium pot, ice cream scoop or kitchen gadget through a dishwasher? You get that crazed grey look). But the chemicals and the duration of the cleaning cycle wouldn’t give it enough time to do meaningful damage.\n
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          From a heath angle, the cleaning agents in these tablets are also reasonably mild (in the scheme of things). Probably better to err in the side of no serious chemical burns to customers’ throats (in case the cleaning cycle goes wrong). Sodium carbonate (washing soda) and sodium percarbonate are generally mild irritants - best if you don’t stick your eyeballs on genitals in a concentrate solution.\n
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          But they’re not particularly nasty compared to things like dishwasher tablets.\n
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          You’d detect the taste before you’d have issues.
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    Breadboard is a cool idea, but your first experiments will likely be super simple right?\n
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    Here’s a few thoughts.\n
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    How about some double conducting copper tape and sheets of craft paper or cardboard. (Double conducting conducts on the top as well as the sticky side so overlapping joins completes the circuit).\n
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    You can draw/plan and then route the copper sticky tape like a circuit board. Fashion basic switches from the copper tape around a cardboard flap, tape down any “flat” components like resistors.\n
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    Add some tinned leads to anything that would stick up from the board.\n
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    I often find the more tactile “MacGyver” approach is a better teaching aid as there’s no mystery behind the scenes (no hidden board wires, no pre-mounted components or connectors). Everything is built up from existing skills and experiences.\n
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    When you start to get more advanced, 80s Aussie kids grew up with:\n
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    [archive.org/details/…/1up?view=theater](https://archive.org/details/dicksmithsfunwayintoelectronicsvolume2/Dick%20Smith%27s%20Funway%20into%20Electronics%20Volume%201/page/n5/mode/1up?view=theater)\n
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    That has a complete list of components needed for the projects in the book. Same idea as the copper tape, just with bits of wire and screws. The project in the book were all built onto a pre-drilled block of plastic with the schematic laid on top. They were fun little projects and easy enough to do - the flashers and sirens were a hit for me.
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