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Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
1.34 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
0.06 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
      \n
      ### Rules\n
      \n
      - Posts must be relevant to operating systems running the Linux kernel. GNU/Linux or otherwise.\n
      - No misinformation\n
      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      ### Related Communities\n
      \n
      - [!opensource@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/opensource)\n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      \n
      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
      """
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  +root: null
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    Good job Cosmic team!\n
    \n
    I really hope Cosmic can be the first DE to close the gap between tilling window managers and DEs we have today. Very excited for it!
    """
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit
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  +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1838 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#306
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
      \n
      ### Rules\n
      \n
      - Posts must be relevant to operating systems running the Linux kernel. GNU/Linux or otherwise.\n
      - No misinformation\n
      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      ### Related Communities\n
      \n
      - [!opensource@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/opensource)\n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      \n
      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
      """
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    Good job Cosmic team!\n
    \n
    I really hope Cosmic can be the first DE to close the gap between tilling window managers and DEs we have today. Very excited for it!
    """
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  +isAdult: false
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    date: 2023-11-25 06:00:53.0 +01:00
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate
App\Entity\EntryComment {#1546
  +user: App\Entity\User {#1409 …}
  +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1838 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#306
    +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#287 …}
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
      \n
      ### Rules\n
      \n
      - Posts must be relevant to operating systems running the Linux kernel. GNU/Linux or otherwise.\n
      - No misinformation\n
      - No NSFW content\n
      - No hate speech, bigotry, etc\n
      \n
      ### Related Communities\n
      \n
      - [!opensource@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/opensource)\n
      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
      \n
      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
      """
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    Good job Cosmic team!\n
    \n
    I really hope Cosmic can be the first DE to close the gap between tilling window managers and DEs we have today. Very excited for it!
    """
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
6 DENIED moderate
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      From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia\n
      \n
      Linux is a family of open source Unix-like operating systems based on the Linux kernel, an operating system kernel first released on September 17, 1991 by Linus Torvalds. Linux is typically packaged in a Linux distribution (or distro for short).\n
      \n
      Distributions include the Linux kernel and supporting system software and libraries, many of which are provided by the GNU Project. Many Linux distributions use the word “Linux” in their name, but the Free Software Foundation uses the name GNU/Linux to emphasize the importance of GNU software, causing some controversy.\n
      \n
      ### Rules\n
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    Mutt (and neomutt) has very nice search capabilities, supporting regex search within specific mailboxes. However, it is a relatively slow search - unbearably slow for full text search in large mailboxes.\n
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    Ubuntu, then Debian on my University computers, broken every weeks with dpkg killed while updating (students don’t care properly shutting down computers).\n
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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    I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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    > chief among them “increased security”\n
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    Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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    - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
    - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
    - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
    - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
    - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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    > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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    It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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    I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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    > chief among them “increased security”\n
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    Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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    > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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    Hmm…,:\n
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    - atomicity; nope\n
    - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
    - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
    - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
    - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
    - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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    > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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    It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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    > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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    I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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    > chief among them “increased security”\n
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    Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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    > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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    - atomicity; nope\n
    - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
    - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
    - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
    - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
    - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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    > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
    \n
    It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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          Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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      > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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      I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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      > chief among them “increased security”\n
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      Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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      > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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      Hmm…,:\n
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      - atomicity; nope\n
      - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
      - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
      - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
      - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
      - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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      > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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      It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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          Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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      > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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      I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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      > chief among them “increased security”\n
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      Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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      > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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      - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
      - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
      - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
      - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
      - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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      > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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      It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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          Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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      > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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      I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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      > chief among them “increased security”\n
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      Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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      > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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      - atomicity; nope\n
      - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
      - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
      - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
      - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
      - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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      > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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      It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
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        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
        \n
        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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            1. I prefer referring to the so-called ‘immutable’ distros as atomic distros instead. It’s more descriptive, because the distros aren’t actually ‘immutable’ but instead they’re atomic.
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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