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            "content": "<p>I\u2019m guessing you\u2019re willing to try and learn, so I\u2019m gonna try to put my thoughts together. This will be a long one, and I hope you\u2019re patient enough to go over it all and process it. I tend to ramble.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>Using a \u201cwhat if\u201d to try and counter actual goings on is not an ideal way to make a point. You could also ask within that \u201cwhat if\u201d if those immigrants start to change their views based on the pro-choice laws and society.<\/p>\n<p>Thing is, most people want fewer abortions, across the board. Many people also want access to abortions because there are circumstances where the only actual medical procedure to avoid the loss of both parent and child is an abortion.<\/p>\n<p>In addition, most pro choice people are pro:<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>contraception<\/li>\n<li>neonatal care<\/li>\n<li>month\u2019s-long paid parental leave for both parents<\/li>\n<li>subsidized daycare<\/li>\n<li>subsidized nutrition programs, including WIC, SNAP, and school lunches<\/li>\n<li>housing assistance<\/li>\n<li>minimum wage increases<\/li>\n<li>community after school programs<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>And many more. All of these empower and better the life of the recipient - as well as society at large - but all are regularly voted down or demonized by \u201cpro life\u201d groups, despite them all <em>actually<\/em> pro being alive. They are \u201cpro human\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Additionally, using \u201cwhat if\u201d scenarios to try to debate isn\u2019t good debate rhetoric. It starts to move the focus onto something else to then start \u201cattacking\u201d, which is known as a strawman. It\u2019s like when people complain about boys in girls\u2019 sports for all trans laws. It happens so little that it\u2019s <strong>effectively<\/strong> not happening, nor worth focusing on. It\u2019s a strawman, and it changes the focus of the dialogue.<\/p>\n<p>Most anti-immigrant policies in the USA <em><strong>are and have been<\/strong><\/em> xenophobic in nature. At least in the 40+ years I\u2019ve been alive, and the 20+ years I\u2019ve been politically involved.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>CRT is an academic discipline. It\u2019s not \u201cpro black people\u201d or \u201clet\u2019s put black people on a pedestal\u201d or \u201clet\u2019s only vote for back people to positions of power\u201d. It\u2019s focusing more on the [very truncated] reality that a) 400+ years of slavery happened, and b) the black community is at a massive social disadvantage because of it. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=fVa-HAsB-xQ\">This video from Trevor Noah breaks down reparations and privilege quite adroitly. <\/a> It doesn\u2019t only focus on the black community, but it\u2019s a big part, because of our nation\u2019s history.<\/p>\n<p>CRT can cover anything from slave patrols, to the 13th amendment\u2019s sneaky little loophole that then permitted really dumb laws across the nation, to redlining, to origins and proliferation of music, to medical misinformation, to the Tuskegee experiments, and on and on. Because again, CRT is first and foremost an academic discipline. It\u2019s not being taught in high school or elementary school because it\u2019s a critically theoretical [scientific] practice. It is a way of thinking about thinking, and societal impacts, with focus on race and ethnicity, and how those things impact and have impacted society.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p>DEI is simply an initialism of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. These three principles should be embraced by everyone. If you wanted homogeneity, you\u2019d have a pretty terrible world. Especially genetic homogeneity. Just ask the <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/House_of_Habsburg\">Habsburg<\/a> family tree.<\/p>\n<p>When discussing this, the one thing I\u2019ve noticed is that there seems to be this <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Zero-sum_game\">Zero-Sum Game theory<\/a> of thinking. In that if on side wins, another side must lose. It\u2019s a common mentality in the US, especially when sports and wars, etc. are involved. We are so very individually centrist, we fail to look at the whole and see that even when someone else wins, WE ALL win.<\/p>\n<p>A diverse group of people is a more challenging group of people, since it\u2019s no longer an echo chamber. There may be thoughts, ideas, words, actions, etc. that previously might have been acceptable, that now parts of the group don\u2019t consider acceptable. A reasonable response is to then follow up and try to understand the causes of those issues. To try and find a way to work together amicably. This then shows that people are <em>Equitable<\/em> in their input. That they have a similar value, and that their racial \/ ethnic \/ social issues can be heard and understood, to ideally improve the world around them, including in the workplace.<\/p>\n<p>Often, people misunderstand that a \u201cmerit-based\u201d society exists. It doesn\u2019t. Not only does money buy your way in to most opportunities, your familial and ethnic background also have a massive impact on your opportunities, and consequences. All else being equal, a black man and a white man are going to have different experiences at the same moment in the same space. Including getting any job, even the highest of the land. Hell, look at SCOTUS Justice Jackson. Despite all of the \u201canti DEI\u201d rhetoric, she\u2019s literally the most qualified person to have ever been confirmed to the position. Bar none, hands down, no lies. And say what you will about her policies, but Kamala was ALSO the most qualified person to ever run for US President. Despite these issues, people used \u201cDEI\u201d as a veil to really say \u201cshe\u2019s a black woman, and I don\u2019t want a black woman running my country\u201d for both.<\/p>\n<p>Inclusion is just the opposite of rejection. And at the end of the day, the biggest fear on virtually every human mind is the fear of being rejected. We all fight with ourselves daily to feel like we belong, that people like us, that we are valuable, that we are worthy. But there\u2019s a large sector of our society that takes that internal fear and pushes it out into the world, to find a way to feel better about their own inner struggles. They reject a group, and find acceptance in another. Because we still haven\u2019t beaten the stupid lizard brain in the base of our skull that says \u201cus good, them bad\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Finally, I recommend everyone who is trying to understand why conservatives think the way to do (including oneself, if you\u2019re trying to be an introspective conservative), is to watch <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=agzNANfNlTs\">this video from Innuendo Studios<\/a>.<\/p>\n",
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                "content": "I'm guessing you're willing to try and learn, so I'm gonna try to put my thoughts together. This will be a long one, and I hope you're patient enough to go over it all and process it. I tend to ramble.\n\n_____  \nUsing a \"what if\" to try and counter actual goings on is not an ideal way to make a point. You could also ask within that \"what if\" if those immigrants start to change their views based on the pro-choice laws and society.\n\nThing is, most people want fewer abortions, across the board. Many people also want access to abortions because there are circumstances where the only actual medical procedure to avoid the loss of both parent and child is an abortion. \n\nIn addition, most pro choice people are pro:  \n1) contraception  \n2) neonatal care  \n3) month's-long paid parental leave for both parents  \n4) subsidized daycare  \n5) subsidized nutrition programs, including WIC, SNAP, and school lunches  \n6) housing assistance  \n7) minimum wage increases  \n8) community after school programs\n\n\nAnd many more. All of these empower and better the life of the recipient - as well as society at large - but all are regularly voted down or demonized by \"pro life\" groups, despite them all *actually* pro being alive. They are \"pro human\".  \n\nAdditionally, using \"what if\" scenarios to try to debate isn't good debate rhetoric. It starts to move the focus onto something else to then start \"attacking\", which is known as a strawman. It's like when people complain about boys in girls' sports for all trans laws. It happens so little that it's **effectively** not happening, nor worth focusing on. It's a strawman, and it changes the focus of the dialogue.\n\nMost anti-immigrant policies in the USA ***are and have been*** xenophobic in nature. At least in the 40+ years I've been alive, and the 20+ years I've been politically involved.  \n_____  \nCRT is an academic discipline. It's not \"pro black people\" or \"let's put black people on a pedestal\" or \"let's only vote for back people to positions of power\". It's focusing more on the [very truncated] reality that a) 400+ years of slavery happened, and b) the black community is at a massive social disadvantage because of it. [This video from Trevor Noah breaks down reparations and privilege quite adroitly. ](https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=fVa-HAsB-xQ) It doesn't only focus on the black community, but it's a big part, because of our nation's history.\n\nCRT can cover anything from slave patrols, to the 13th amendment's sneaky little loophole that then permitted really dumb laws across the nation, to redlining, to origins and proliferation of music, to medical misinformation, to the Tuskegee experiments, and on and on. Because again, CRT is first and foremost an academic discipline. It's not being taught in high school or elementary school because it's a critically theoretical [scientific] practice. It is a way of thinking about thinking, and societal impacts, with focus on race and ethnicity, and how those things impact and have impacted society.  \n_____  \nDEI is simply an initialism of Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion. These three principles should be embraced by everyone. If you wanted homogeneity, you'd have a pretty terrible world. Especially genetic homogeneity. Just ask the [Habsburg](https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/House_of_Habsburg) family tree.\n\nWhen discussing this, the one thing I've noticed is that there seems to be this [Zero-Sum Game theory](https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Zero-sum_game) of thinking. In that if on side wins, another side must lose. It's a common mentality in the US, especially when sports and wars, etc. are involved. We are so very individually centrist, we fail to look at the whole and see that even when someone else wins, WE ALL win. \n\nA diverse group of people is a more challenging group of people, since it's no longer an echo chamber. There may be thoughts, ideas, words, actions, etc. that previously might have been acceptable, that now parts of the group don't consider acceptable. A reasonable response is to then follow up and try to understand the causes of those issues. To try and find a way to work together amicably. This then shows that people are *Equitable* in their input. That they have a similar value, and that their racial \/ ethnic \/ social issues can be heard and understood, to ideally improve the world around them, including in the workplace.\n\nOften, people misunderstand that a \"merit-based\" society exists. It doesn't. Not only does money buy your way in to most opportunities, your familial and ethnic background also have a massive impact on your opportunities, and consequences. All else being equal, a black man and a white man are going to have different experiences at the same moment in the same space. Including getting any job, even the highest of the land. Hell, look at SCOTUS Justice Jackson. Despite all of the \"anti DEI\" rhetoric, she's literally the most qualified person to have ever been confirmed to the position. Bar none, hands down, no lies. And say what you will about her policies, but Kamala was ALSO the most qualified person to ever run for US President. Despite these issues, people used \"DEI\" as a veil to really say \"she's a black woman, and I don't want a black woman running my country\" for both.\n\nInclusion is just the opposite of rejection. And at the end of the day, the biggest fear on virtually every human mind is the fear of being rejected. We all fight with ourselves daily to feel like we belong, that people like us, that we are valuable, that we are worthy. But there's a large sector of our society that takes that internal fear and pushes it out into the world, to find a way to feel better about their own inner struggles. They reject a group, and find acceptance in another. Because we still haven't beaten the stupid lizard brain in the base of our skull that says \"us good, them bad\".\n\nFinally, I recommend everyone who is trying to understand why conservatives think the way to do (including oneself, if you're trying to be an introspective conservative), is to watch [this video from Innuendo Studios](https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=agzNANfNlTs).",
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