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Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name

Security enabled

Stateless

Configuration

Key	Value
provider	security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context	main
entry_point	App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker	App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler	(none)
access_denied_url	(none)
authenticators	[`"two_factor" "remember_me" "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator" "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator" "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator" "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator" "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"`]

Listeners

Listener	Duration	Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723`-map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …} -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -httpPort: 80 -httpsPort: 443`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …} -sessionKey: "_security_main" -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …} -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …} -registered: false -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …} -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}}	1.24 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584`-authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582`-twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …} -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}`}	0.07 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …} -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -options: [ "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token" "csrf_token_id" => "logout" "logout_path" => "app_logout" ] -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …} -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …} -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy


"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

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2	"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5	"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6	"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7	"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8	"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9	"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10	"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11	"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12	"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13	"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14	"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log


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      - [!technology@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/technology)\n
      - [!libre_hardware@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_hardware)\n
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    sure,\n
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    Ubuntu, then Debian on my University computers, broken every weeks with dpkg killed while updating (students don’t care properly shutting down computers).\n
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    Since we migrated to Silverblue, it just works. We can downgrade the system at any point in time, even previous release. Apps can be individually downgraded, locked at any point in history. Totally not doable with a traditional package manager.
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
    \n
    I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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    > chief among them “increased security”\n
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    Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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    > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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    Hmm…,:\n
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    - atomicity; nope\n
    - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
    - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
    - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
    - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
    - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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    > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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    It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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    I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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    > chief among them “increased security”\n
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    Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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    > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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    Hmm…,:\n
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    - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
    - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
    - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
    - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
    - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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    > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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    It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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        Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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    > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
    \n
    I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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    > chief among them “increased security”\n
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    Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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    > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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    Hmm…,:\n
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    - atomicity; nope\n
    - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
    - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
    - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
    - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
    - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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    > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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    It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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          Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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          1. I prefer referring to the so-called ‘immutable’ distros as atomic distros instead. It’s more descriptive, because the distros aren’t actually ‘immutable’ but instead they’re atomic.
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      +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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      > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
      \n
      I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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      > chief among them “increased security”\n
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      Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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      > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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      Hmm…,:\n
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      - atomicity; nope\n
      - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
      - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
      - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
      - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
      - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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      > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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      It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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          Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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      > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
      \n
      I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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      > chief among them “increased security”\n
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      Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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      > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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      Hmm…,:\n
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      - atomicity; nope\n
      - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
      - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
      - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
      - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
      - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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      > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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      It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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          Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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      > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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      I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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      > chief among them “increased security”\n
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      Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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      > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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      - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
      - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
      - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
      - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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      > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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      It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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            1. I prefer referring to the so-called ‘immutable’ distros as atomic distros instead. It’s more descriptive, because the distros aren’t actually ‘immutable’ but instead they’re atomic.
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
        \n
        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
        \n
        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
        \n
        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
        \n
        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
        \n
        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
        \n
        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
        \n
        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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            Not OP. But for me, **atomic updates**, **reproducibility**, **(to some degree) declarative system configuration**, **increased security**, **built-in rollback functionality** and their consequences; **rock solid system even with relatively up to date packages**, **possibility to enable automatic updates in background without fearing breakage**, **(quasi) factory reset feature**, **setting up a new system in just a fraction of the time required otherwise** are the primary reasons why I absolutely adore atomic^[1]^ distros.\n
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        +body: "I disagree with most of the benefits you list (chief among them “increased security”) - not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers - but I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale."
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        > I disagree with most of the benefits you list\n
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        I’m curious to hear your objections.\n
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        > chief among them “increased security”\n
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        Do you deny that specific protection to some attacks is provided through the chosen model of ‘immutability’ on at least one of the atomic distros?\n
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        > not to mention half of them are already supported by traditional package managers\n
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        Hmm…,:\n
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        - atomicity; nope\n
        - reproducibility =/= reproducible builds for some packages (if that’s what you meant)\n
        - declarative system configuration; ansible (and any other solution that I’ve witnessed being mentioned in such discussions) succeed (at best) at **convergent** system management, while e.g. NixOS does **congruent** system management by default. Consider taking a look at [this page](https://flyingcircus.io/blog/thoughts-on-systems-management-methods/) if you’re interested in what these are and how they’re different. (Spoiler alert) congruent is *better* and therefore more desirable.\n
        - increased security; security is not limited to chosen model for ‘immutability’ if at all; as Qubes OS (read: most secure and private desktop OS) doesn’t rely on it for its security. So I can understand where you’re coming from, but I have yet to see any non-security focused distro that provides the elevated protection against particular attacks that some atomic distros offer by default.\n
        - built-in rollback functionality; sure, this is not exclusive to atomic distros. Perhaps I should have done a better job at making clear that it isn’t a feature provided necessarily by atomicity. But, the fact that I listed it at the very end, alludes that it isn’t as exclusive and consequential as atomicity is. At this point, however, it has become almost synonymous with atomic distros, while the same can’t be said about traditional distros.\n
        - regarding the consequences; I’m unaware of any distro that does those out of the box (barring Pop!_OS with their factory reset). Though, I’d love to be educated on this.\n
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        > I was genuinely curious so thanks for the rationale.\n
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        It has been my pleasure ☺️! I’m also genuinely curious to read your reply to this comment😉.
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      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
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        onlyoffice is what i use, on linux and windows.\n
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        i think that the libreoffice people should have re-joined openoffice once their main gripe (oracle) was out of the picture, which wasn't long after they split-off and released their first forked version.
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      The only benefit that OpenOffice had was the name. Given the momentum that LibreOffice had early on, OpenOffice should clearly have joined with them and maybe ceded the name.\n
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      I am glad that LibreOffice did not try to merge back with OpenOffice as clearly it remains a poorly managed project. The continued existence of OpenOffice is doing tremendous damage to the wider ecosystem. The fact that Apache continues to promote the project not only reflects badly in them but show what poor stewards they are. I would not have wanted their lead ship to have hampered the subsequent success of LibreOffice. The whole episode just proves that LibreOffice was right to break away and not just because of Oracle.
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      - [!libre_culture@lemmy.ml](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
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      Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
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    Community icon by [Alpár-Etele Méder](https://www.iconfinder.com/pocike), licensed under [CC BY 3.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/)
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