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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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tl;dr: centralized control bad, centralized discussion good, the current system does a bad job of reconciling these two positions
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
\n
A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
\n
I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
\n
kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
@gicagaf805
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
\n
A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
\n
kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
\n
kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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tl;dr: centralized control bad, centralized discussion good, the current system does a bad job of reconciling these two positions
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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tl;dr: centralized control bad, centralized discussion good, the current system does a bad job of reconciling these two positions
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
\n
A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
\n
Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
\n
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\n
note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
------------------------------------------------------------\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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tl;dr: centralized control bad, centralized discussion good, the current system does a bad job of reconciling these two positions
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
\n
kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
@gicagaf805
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+body: "Small instances don’t prevent Lemmy from being centralized, people don’t mind if their instance defederates from an instance with 5 people. Medium-sized instances (e.g. dbzer0) prevent wrongful defederation, because people will suddenly miss a few communities / users."
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
\n
Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
\n
kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
\n
I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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tl;dr: centralized control bad, centralized discussion good, the current system does a bad job of reconciling these two positions
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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tl;dr: centralized control bad, centralized discussion good, the current system does a bad job of reconciling these two positions
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
\n
Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
2: Also having other instances besides the big ones helps prevent a monopoly over the fediverse. \n
3: Bigger isn't always better. Nothing wrong with a small Cozy community.
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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tl;dr: centralized control bad, centralized discussion good, the current system does a bad job of reconciling these two positions
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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note to everyone: please don’t downvote good faith questions\n
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OP asked a pretty reasonable open ended question. There are other people who may be thinking the same, and reading the discussions here might change their minds. Save downvoting for rule breaking / content that’s bad for the community
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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Big instances are expensive to run, and in a way, they’re not exactly immune to shutting down and big instances shutting down have a much bigger impact than a small one with few communities when they go poof.
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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1: Even big instances start out small. \n
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I think you’ve correctly identified a problem, but misidentified the solution.\n
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It’s true that there are many redundant *communities* of which everyone would be better served if there were an easy way to group them together. The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together. You want communities to be spread across many instances because this maximizes user control - it’s kind of the entire point? But of course, the lack of grouping makes it very difficult to try to centralize *discussion*, which is important for the community to grow. This service is still a work in progress, so these kinds of things - I hope - will come in time, as both the technology and culture develops.\n
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The core issue here is instances disappearing, and That goes into the discussion of the structure of the fediverse right now vs. the fediverse in the future\n
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A dozen big instances feel better now, and I personally wouldn’t make a community on a smaller instance unless I know it is likely to stay up. If it was run by an existing organization for example.\n
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Long term though, I trust existing organizations to set up stable instances that won’t be shut down easily. If a government, school, game company etc. makes an instance it’s not likely to go down. Having lots of instances will look more normal then.\n
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Ultimately we don’t need to do anything differently, I recommend new people join a big instance and then make a new account once they know what instance they like.\n
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Then just don’t start a community on a small one.\n
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I’m a minuscule instance. That’s fine. I like that I have control over it, how it’s maintained and updated. If I want to convert it to Mbin because I like it more, I can. I know for sure it’s going to live at least as long as I’m interested in the fediverse. Nobody can take it away from me.\n
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@bogdugg\n
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> The solution, however, is not to reduce the number of instances, but rather to provide more tools for instances to group communities together.\n
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kbin collections are grouping together communities, but unfortunately, collections themselves do not federate \n
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