GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/u/@Saki@monero.town/hot

Response
200 OK
IP
98.82.63.147
Profiled on
Token
813e64

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 0.21 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.03 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2050
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2549 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2055 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2588 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2590 …}
  +slug: "Google-search"
  +title: "Google “search”"
  +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d7ea0491-2fd1-4873-b00c-f658c8c3481f.jpeg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 281
  +favouriteCount: 2178
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1725016082 {#2583
    date: 2024-08-30 13:08:02.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2591 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2593 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2595 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2597 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2599 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2601 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2057
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2050 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2055 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        Tor Browser is planning to remove Google from the search engine options a user can choose: [gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/…/41835](https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)\n
        \n
        There some say brave onion + no JS is good: […brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4n…](https://search.brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4nwy2v72qd.onion/)\n
        \n
        Mullvad team seems to be considering 4 possible options:\n
        \n
        - Startpage: [www.startpage.com](https://www.startpage.com/)\n
        - Mojeek: [www.mojeek.com](https://www.mojeek.com/)\n
        - Brave Search: [search.brave.com](https://search.brave.com/)\n
        - Metager: [metager.org](https://metager.org/)\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        PS: Not disgussing ddg / ddg onion too much, basically because ddg is *the* long-time default search engine of TB. Most TB users assume ddg is a decent, standard, generic option, esp. its non-JS version.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 7
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703252694 {#2046
        date: 2023-12-22 14:44:54.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@themaninblack@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2052 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2058 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2125 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2041 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2100 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2105 …}
      -id: 243133
      -bodyTs: "'/)':36,50,55,61,66 '/41835':20 '/tpo/applications/':19 '/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)':23 '4':43 'assum':91 'basic':75 'brave':27,56 'brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4n':33 'browser':2 'choos':16 'consid':42 'ddg':70,71,77,92 'decent':95 'default':83 'disguss':69 'engin':11,85 'esp':99 'generic':97 'gitlab.torproject.org':18,22 'gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/':17 'gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)':21 'good':32 'googl':7 'js':30,103 'long':81 'long-tim':80 'metag':62 'metager.org':63,65 'metager.org/)':64 'mojeek':51 'much':74 'mullvad':37 'non':102 'non-j':101 'onion':28,72 'option':12,45,98 'plan':4 'possibl':44 'ps':67 'remov':6 'say':26 'search':10,57,84 'search.brave.com':58,60 'search.brave.com/)':59 'search.brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4nwy2v72qd.onion':35 'search.brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4nwy2v72qd.onion/)':34 'seem':39 'standard':96 'startpag':46 'tb':87,89 'team':38 'time':82 'tor':1 'user':14,90 'version':104 'www.mojeek.com':52,54 'www.mojeek.com/)':53 'www.startpage.com':47,49 'www.startpage.com/)':48"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://monero.town/comment/2892401"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706492123 {#2047
        date: 2024-01-29 02:35:23.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703252694 {#2045
        date: 2023-12-22 14:44:54.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 243133
    }
  ]
  -id: 23886
  -titleTs: "'googl':1 'search':2"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1703278046
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/9837375"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703191646 {#2570
    date: 2023-12-21 21:47:26.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2050
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2549 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2055 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2588 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2590 …}
  +slug: "Google-search"
  +title: "Google “search”"
  +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d7ea0491-2fd1-4873-b00c-f658c8c3481f.jpeg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 281
  +favouriteCount: 2178
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1725016082 {#2583
    date: 2024-08-30 13:08:02.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2591 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2593 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2595 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2597 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2599 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2601 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2057
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2050 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2055 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        Tor Browser is planning to remove Google from the search engine options a user can choose: [gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/…/41835](https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)\n
        \n
        There some say brave onion + no JS is good: […brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4n…](https://search.brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4nwy2v72qd.onion/)\n
        \n
        Mullvad team seems to be considering 4 possible options:\n
        \n
        - Startpage: [www.startpage.com](https://www.startpage.com/)\n
        - Mojeek: [www.mojeek.com](https://www.mojeek.com/)\n
        - Brave Search: [search.brave.com](https://search.brave.com/)\n
        - Metager: [metager.org](https://metager.org/)\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        PS: Not disgussing ddg / ddg onion too much, basically because ddg is *the* long-time default search engine of TB. Most TB users assume ddg is a decent, standard, generic option, esp. its non-JS version.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 7
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703252694 {#2046
        date: 2023-12-22 14:44:54.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@themaninblack@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2052 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2058 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2125 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2041 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2100 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2105 …}
      -id: 243133
      -bodyTs: "'/)':36,50,55,61,66 '/41835':20 '/tpo/applications/':19 '/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)':23 '4':43 'assum':91 'basic':75 'brave':27,56 'brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4n':33 'browser':2 'choos':16 'consid':42 'ddg':70,71,77,92 'decent':95 'default':83 'disguss':69 'engin':11,85 'esp':99 'generic':97 'gitlab.torproject.org':18,22 'gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/':17 'gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)':21 'good':32 'googl':7 'js':30,103 'long':81 'long-tim':80 'metag':62 'metager.org':63,65 'metager.org/)':64 'mojeek':51 'much':74 'mullvad':37 'non':102 'non-j':101 'onion':28,72 'option':12,45,98 'plan':4 'possibl':44 'ps':67 'remov':6 'say':26 'search':10,57,84 'search.brave.com':58,60 'search.brave.com/)':59 'search.brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4nwy2v72qd.onion':35 'search.brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4nwy2v72qd.onion/)':34 'seem':39 'standard':96 'startpag':46 'tb':87,89 'team':38 'time':82 'tor':1 'user':14,90 'version':104 'www.mojeek.com':52,54 'www.mojeek.com/)':53 'www.startpage.com':47,49 'www.startpage.com/)':48"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://monero.town/comment/2892401"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1706492123 {#2047
        date: 2024-01-29 02:35:23.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703252694 {#2045
        date: 2023-12-22 14:44:54.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 243133
    }
  ]
  -id: 23886
  -titleTs: "'googl':1 'search':2"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1703278046
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/9837375"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703191646 {#2570
    date: 2023-12-21 21:47:26.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2050
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2549 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2055 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2588 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2590 …}
  +slug: "Google-search"
  +title: "Google “search”"
  +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d7ea0491-2fd1-4873-b00c-f658c8c3481f.jpeg"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 281
  +favouriteCount: 2178
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1725016082 {#2583
    date: 2024-08-30 13:08:02.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2591 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2593 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2595 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2597 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2599 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2601 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2057
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2050 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2055 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        Tor Browser is planning to remove Google from the search engine options a user can choose: [gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/…/41835](https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)\n
        \n
        There some say brave onion + no JS is good: […brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4n…](https://search.brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4nwy2v72qd.onion/)\n
        \n
        Mullvad team seems to be considering 4 possible options:\n
        \n
        - Startpage: [www.startpage.com](https://www.startpage.com/)\n
        - Mojeek: [www.mojeek.com](https://www.mojeek.com/)\n
        - Brave Search: [search.brave.com](https://search.brave.com/)\n
        - Metager: [metager.org](https://metager.org/)\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        PS: Not disgussing ddg / ddg onion too much, basically because ddg is *the* long-time default search engine of TB. Most TB users assume ddg is a decent, standard, generic option, esp. its non-JS version.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 7
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703252694 {#2046
        date: 2023-12-22 14:44:54.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@themaninblack@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2052 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2058 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2125 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2041 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2100 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2105 …}
      -id: 243133
      -bodyTs: "'/)':36,50,55,61,66 '/41835':20 '/tpo/applications/':19 '/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)':23 '4':43 'assum':91 'basic':75 'brave':27,56 'brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4n':33 'browser':2 'choos':16 'consid':42 'ddg':70,71,77,92 'decent':95 'default':83 'disguss':69 'engin':11,85 'esp':99 'generic':97 'gitlab.torproject.org':18,22 'gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/':17 'gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)':21 'good':32 'googl':7 'js':30,103 'long':81 'long-tim':80 'metag':62 'metager.org':63,65 'metager.org/)':64 'mojeek':51 'much':74 'mullvad':37 'non':102 'non-j':101 'onion':28,72 'option':12,45,98 'plan':4 'possibl':44 'ps':67 'remov':6 'say':26 'search':10,57,84 'search.brave.com':58,60 'search.brave.com/)':59 'search.brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4nwy2v72qd.onion':35 'search.brave4u7jddbv7cyviptqjc7jusxh72uik7zt6adtckl5f4nwy2v72qd.onion/)':34 'seem':39 'standard':96 'startpag':46 'tb':87,89 'team':38 'time':82 'tor':1 'user':14,90 'version':104 'www.mojeek.com':52,54 'www.mojeek.com/)':53 'www.startpage.com':47,49 'www.startpage.com/)':48"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
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    Tor Browser is planning to remove Google from the search engine options a user can choose: [gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/…/41835](https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-/issues/41835)\n
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    - Metager: [metager.org](https://metager.org/)\n
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          - Tuta (free): you can send only like 6 email per day. Otherwise, Tor-friendly. No onion. Support forum on Reddit 😞 Germany.\n
          - Posteo.de: 1 €/mo affordable. Nothing fancy. Support via PGP like that’s common sense. Germany. Non-crypto anonymous payments w/ various options (e.g. a prepaid CC): they don’t even ask your name (much less address, cell phone number).\n
          - Disroot.org: Free, pop/smtp, community-based, trusted even by the Tails team. w/ onion. Netherlands.\n
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          - Proton (free): bloated, very mixed opinions, yet better than Google. w/ onion (slow). Switzerland. A simple feature like Plain Text view is missing (HTML by default: not serious about privacy).
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        Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
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        As for mailbox.org: I used it before but it showed Google reCaptcha, which was an obvious red flag:  \n
        cf. [[Security and GDPR Issue] ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for Login, every single time. #242](https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/issues/242)\n
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        Also, technical score of mailbox.org has been relatively low, not improving: [internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/](https://internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/)(Don’t worry too much about this score, though. It’s only technical; human factors (philosophies, trust, etc.) are more important when it comes to privacy.) This is not a recommendation. DYOR; ultimately, believe your own intuition.
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        Not a recommendation but I too trust Disroot pretty much. You can get a custom domain there without “buying a paid plan” once you make a donation. Would that be an option for you?\n
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        Using multiple providers (having multiple accounts) is a good idea, though. Don’t put all the eggs in one basket. I’ve never heard the two providers you mentioned, so I can’t tell. If you can sign up anonymously via Tor, if they’re Google-free + not behind CF, and (most importantly) if you feel them “good” (subjective but gut feeling…), I think they’re usable.\n
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        If their support use PGP, that’s a good sign too. (Proton even doesn’t share its pub key iirc.) If they also accept the privacy coin like Disroot and Tuta do, that’s nice too. Ultimately, though, believe your gut feeling, because everyone has different priorities, different threat models, etc.
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          date: 2023-11-29 04:28:07.0 +01:00
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        Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
        \n
        As for mailbox.org: I used it before but it showed Google reCaptcha, which was an obvious red flag:  \n
        cf. [[Security and GDPR Issue] ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for Login, every single time. #242](https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/issues/242)\n
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        Also, technical score of mailbox.org has been relatively low, not improving: [internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/](https://internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/)(Don’t worry too much about this score, though. It’s only technical; human factors (philosophies, trust, etc.) are more important when it comes to privacy.) This is not a recommendation. DYOR; ultimately, believe your own intuition.
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        Not a recommendation but I too trust Disroot pretty much. You can get a custom domain there without “buying a paid plan” once you make a donation. Would that be an option for you?\n
        \n
        Using multiple providers (having multiple accounts) is a good idea, though. Don’t put all the eggs in one basket. I’ve never heard the two providers you mentioned, so I can’t tell. If you can sign up anonymously via Tor, if they’re Google-free + not behind CF, and (most importantly) if you feel them “good” (subjective but gut feeling…), I think they’re usable.\n
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        If their support use PGP, that’s a good sign too. (Proton even doesn’t share its pub key iirc.) If they also accept the privacy coin like Disroot and Tuta do, that’s nice too. Ultimately, though, believe your gut feeling, because everyone has different priorities, different threat models, etc.
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  +title: "What are some good private email service?"
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  +body: "The mail service has to be affordable (around 10 euros per year). Tuta was an option but their plans are somewhat overpriced for me. Anyone using their (Tuta) free plan? How is it?"
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      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2129 …2}
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        +body: """
          - Tuta (free): you can send only like 6 email per day. Otherwise, Tor-friendly. No onion. Support forum on Reddit 😞 Germany.\n
          - Posteo.de: 1 €/mo affordable. Nothing fancy. Support via PGP like that’s common sense. Germany. Non-crypto anonymous payments w/ various options (e.g. a prepaid CC): they don’t even ask your name (much less address, cell phone number).\n
          - Disroot.org: Free, pop/smtp, community-based, trusted even by the Tails team. w/ onion. Netherlands.\n
          - Cock.li: Free, pop/smtp etc. Very Tor-friendly w/ fast onion. It’s good if you think it like disposal. Irresponsible in a way (aka Freedom), but actually 10-year-old & stable. Romania.\n
          - Proton (free): bloated, very mixed opinions, yet better than Google. w/ onion (slow). Switzerland. A simple feature like Plain Text view is missing (HTML by default: not serious about privacy).
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          date: 2024-02-23 03:41:34.0 +01:00
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        Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
        \n
        As for mailbox.org: I used it before but it showed Google reCaptcha, which was an obvious red flag:  \n
        cf. [[Security and GDPR Issue] ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for Login, every single time. #242](https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/issues/242)\n
        \n
        Also, technical score of mailbox.org has been relatively low, not improving: [internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/](https://internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/)(Don’t worry too much about this score, though. It’s only technical; human factors (philosophies, trust, etc.) are more important when it comes to privacy.) This is not a recommendation. DYOR; ultimately, believe your own intuition.
        """
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        Not a recommendation but I too trust Disroot pretty much. You can get a custom domain there without “buying a paid plan” once you make a donation. Would that be an option for you?\n
        \n
        Using multiple providers (having multiple accounts) is a good idea, though. Don’t put all the eggs in one basket. I’ve never heard the two providers you mentioned, so I can’t tell. If you can sign up anonymously via Tor, if they’re Google-free + not behind CF, and (most importantly) if you feel them “good” (subjective but gut feeling…), I think they’re usable.\n
        \n
        If their support use PGP, that’s a good sign too. (Proton even doesn’t share its pub key iirc.) If they also accept the privacy coin like Disroot and Tuta do, that’s nice too. Ultimately, though, believe your gut feeling, because everyone has different priorities, different threat models, etc.
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          If their support use PGP, that’s a good sign too. (Proton even doesn’t share its pub key iirc.) If they also accept the privacy coin like Disroot and Tuta do, that’s nice too. Ultimately, though, believe your gut feeling, because everyone has different priorities, different threat models, etc.
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    Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
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    As for mailbox.org: I used it before but it showed Google reCaptcha, which was an obvious red flag:  \n
    cf. [[Security and GDPR Issue] ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for Login, every single time. #242](https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/issues/242)\n
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    Also, technical score of mailbox.org has been relatively low, not improving: [internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/](https://internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/)(Don’t worry too much about this score, though. It’s only technical; human factors (philosophies, trust, etc.) are more important when it comes to privacy.) This is not a recommendation. DYOR; ultimately, believe your own intuition.
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            - Tuta (free): you can send only like 6 email per day. Otherwise, Tor-friendly. No onion. Support forum on Reddit 😞 Germany.\n
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            - Disroot.org: Free, pop/smtp, community-based, trusted even by the Tails team. w/ onion. Netherlands.\n
            - Cock.li: Free, pop/smtp etc. Very Tor-friendly w/ fast onion. It’s good if you think it like disposal. Irresponsible in a way (aka Freedom), but actually 10-year-old & stable. Romania.\n
            - Proton (free): bloated, very mixed opinions, yet better than Google. w/ onion (slow). Switzerland. A simple feature like Plain Text view is missing (HTML by default: not serious about privacy).
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          If their support use PGP, that’s a good sign too. (Proton even doesn’t share its pub key iirc.) If they also accept the privacy coin like Disroot and Tuta do, that’s nice too. Ultimately, though, believe your gut feeling, because everyone has different priorities, different threat models, etc.
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    Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
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    cf. [[Security and GDPR Issue] ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for Login, every single time. #242](https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/issues/242)\n
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    Also, technical score of mailbox.org has been relatively low, not improving: [internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/](https://internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/)(Don’t worry too much about this score, though. It’s only technical; human factors (philosophies, trust, etc.) are more important when it comes to privacy.) This is not a recommendation. DYOR; ultimately, believe your own intuition.
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            - Tuta (free): you can send only like 6 email per day. Otherwise, Tor-friendly. No onion. Support forum on Reddit 😞 Germany.\n
            - Posteo.de: 1 €/mo affordable. Nothing fancy. Support via PGP like that’s common sense. Germany. Non-crypto anonymous payments w/ various options (e.g. a prepaid CC): they don’t even ask your name (much less address, cell phone number).\n
            - Disroot.org: Free, pop/smtp, community-based, trusted even by the Tails team. w/ onion. Netherlands.\n
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          If their support use PGP, that’s a good sign too. (Proton even doesn’t share its pub key iirc.) If they also accept the privacy coin like Disroot and Tuta do, that’s nice too. Ultimately, though, believe your gut feeling, because everyone has different priorities, different threat models, etc.
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    Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
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    cf. [[Security and GDPR Issue] ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for Login, every single time. #242](https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/issues/242)\n
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          Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
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    Not a recommendation but I too trust Disroot pretty much. You can get a custom domain there without “buying a paid plan” once you make a donation. Would that be an option for you?\n
    \n
    Using multiple providers (having multiple accounts) is a good idea, though. Don’t put all the eggs in one basket. I’ve never heard the two providers you mentioned, so I can’t tell. If you can sign up anonymously via Tor, if they’re Google-free + not behind CF, and (most importantly) if you feel them “good” (subjective but gut feeling…), I think they’re usable.\n
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    If their support use PGP, that’s a good sign too. (Proton even doesn’t share its pub key iirc.) If they also accept the privacy coin like Disroot and Tuta do, that’s nice too. Ultimately, though, believe your gut feeling, because everyone has different priorities, different threat models, etc.
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    Not a recommendation but I too trust Disroot pretty much. You can get a custom domain there without “buying a paid plan” once you make a donation. Would that be an option for you?\n
    \n
    Using multiple providers (having multiple accounts) is a good idea, though. Don’t put all the eggs in one basket. I’ve never heard the two providers you mentioned, so I can’t tell. If you can sign up anonymously via Tor, if they’re Google-free + not behind CF, and (most importantly) if you feel them “good” (subjective but gut feeling…), I think they’re usable.\n
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            - Tuta (free): you can send only like 6 email per day. Otherwise, Tor-friendly. No onion. Support forum on Reddit 😞 Germany.\n
            - Posteo.de: 1 €/mo affordable. Nothing fancy. Support via PGP like that’s common sense. Germany. Non-crypto anonymous payments w/ various options (e.g. a prepaid CC): they don’t even ask your name (much less address, cell phone number).\n
            - Disroot.org: Free, pop/smtp, community-based, trusted even by the Tails team. w/ onion. Netherlands.\n
            - Cock.li: Free, pop/smtp etc. Very Tor-friendly w/ fast onion. It’s good if you think it like disposal. Irresponsible in a way (aka Freedom), but actually 10-year-old & stable. Romania.\n
            - Proton (free): bloated, very mixed opinions, yet better than Google. w/ onion (slow). Switzerland. A simple feature like Plain Text view is missing (HTML by default: not serious about privacy).
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          Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
          \n
          As for mailbox.org: I used it before but it showed Google reCaptcha, which was an obvious red flag:  \n
          cf. [[Security and GDPR Issue] ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for Login, every single time. #242](https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/issues/242)\n
          \n
          Also, technical score of mailbox.org has been relatively low, not improving: [internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/](https://internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/)(Don’t worry too much about this score, though. It’s only technical; human factors (philosophies, trust, etc.) are more important when it comes to privacy.) This is not a recommendation. DYOR; ultimately, believe your own intuition.
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    Not a recommendation but I too trust Disroot pretty much. You can get a custom domain there without “buying a paid plan” once you make a donation. Would that be an option for you?\n
    \n
    Using multiple providers (having multiple accounts) is a good idea, though. Don’t put all the eggs in one basket. I’ve never heard the two providers you mentioned, so I can’t tell. If you can sign up anonymously via Tor, if they’re Google-free + not behind CF, and (most importantly) if you feel them “good” (subjective but gut feeling…), I think they’re usable.\n
    \n
    If their support use PGP, that’s a good sign too. (Proton even doesn’t share its pub key iirc.) If they also accept the privacy coin like Disroot and Tuta do, that’s nice too. Ultimately, though, believe your gut feeling, because everyone has different priorities, different threat models, etc.
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          Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
          \n
          As for mailbox.org: I used it before but it showed Google reCaptcha, which was an obvious red flag:  \n
          cf. [[Security and GDPR Issue] ProtonMail includes Google Recaptcha for Login, every single time. #242](https://github.com/ProtonMail/WebClients/issues/242)\n
          \n
          Also, technical score of mailbox.org has been relatively low, not improving: [internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/](https://internet.nl/mail/mailbox.org/1080449/)(Don’t worry too much about this score, though. It’s only technical; human factors (philosophies, trust, etc.) are more important when it comes to privacy.) This is not a recommendation. DYOR; ultimately, believe your own intuition.
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          Not a recommendation but I too trust Disroot pretty much. You can get a custom domain there without “buying a paid plan” once you make a donation. Would that be an option for you?\n
          \n
          Using multiple providers (having multiple accounts) is a good idea, though. Don’t put all the eggs in one basket. I’ve never heard the two providers you mentioned, so I can’t tell. If you can sign up anonymously via Tor, if they’re Google-free + not behind CF, and (most importantly) if you feel them “good” (subjective but gut feeling…), I think they’re usable.\n
          \n
          If their support use PGP, that’s a good sign too. (Proton even doesn’t share its pub key iirc.) If they also accept the privacy coin like Disroot and Tuta do, that’s nice too. Ultimately, though, believe your gut feeling, because everyone has different priorities, different threat models, etc.
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    - Tuta (free): you can send only like 6 email per day. Otherwise, Tor-friendly. No onion. Support forum on Reddit 😞 Germany.\n
    - Posteo.de: 1 €/mo affordable. Nothing fancy. Support via PGP like that’s common sense. Germany. Non-crypto anonymous payments w/ various options (e.g. a prepaid CC): they don’t even ask your name (much less address, cell phone number).\n
    - Disroot.org: Free, pop/smtp, community-based, trusted even by the Tails team. w/ onion. Netherlands.\n
    - Cock.li: Free, pop/smtp etc. Very Tor-friendly w/ fast onion. It’s good if you think it like disposal. Irresponsible in a way (aka Freedom), but actually 10-year-old & stable. Romania.\n
    - Proton (free): bloated, very mixed opinions, yet better than Google. w/ onion (slow). Switzerland. A simple feature like Plain Text view is missing (HTML by default: not serious about privacy).
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          Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
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    - Tuta (free): you can send only like 6 email per day. Otherwise, Tor-friendly. No onion. Support forum on Reddit 😞 Germany.\n
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    - Disroot.org: Free, pop/smtp, community-based, trusted even by the Tails team. w/ onion. Netherlands.\n
    - Cock.li: Free, pop/smtp etc. Very Tor-friendly w/ fast onion. It’s good if you think it like disposal. Irresponsible in a way (aka Freedom), but actually 10-year-old & stable. Romania.\n
    - Proton (free): bloated, very mixed opinions, yet better than Google. w/ onion (slow). Switzerland. A simple feature like Plain Text view is missing (HTML by default: not serious about privacy).
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          Don’t worry about e2ee: Even if you get the most expensive plan from e.g. Proton, it’s not e2ee unless both parties use Proton. There is a free, “easy” way to realize true e2e: OpenPGP in Thunderbird (convenient), GnuPG (more secure), etc.\n
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  +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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        You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
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        If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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        Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
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          The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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        It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
        \n
        The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
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        ### 1. Main wallet\n
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        - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
        - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
        - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
        - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
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        \n
        ### 2. Hot wallet\n
        \n
        - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
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        ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
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        - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
        - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
        - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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        Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
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        To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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        The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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        Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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        Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
        \n
        Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
        \n
        Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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        [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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        The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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  +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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        You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
        \n
        If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
        \n
        Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
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          The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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          The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
          \n
          But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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        It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
        \n
        The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
        \n
        ### 1. Main wallet\n
        \n
        - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
        - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
        - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
        - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ### 2. Hot wallet\n
        \n
        - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
        \n
        - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
        - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
        - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
        """
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      +body: """
        Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
        \n
        To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
        \n
        The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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        Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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        Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
        \n
        Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
        \n
        Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
        """
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        [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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        The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
        """
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  +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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        You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
        \n
        If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
        \n
        Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
          \n
          The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
          \n
          The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
          \n
          But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
          """
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        It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
        \n
        The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
        \n
        ### 1. Main wallet\n
        \n
        - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
        - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
        - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
        - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ### 2. Hot wallet\n
        \n
        - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
        \n
        - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
        - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
        - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
        """
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        date: 2023-12-04 23:19:33.0 +01:00
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      +body: """
        Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
        \n
        To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
        \n
        The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
        \n
        Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
        """
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      +body: """
        Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
        \n
        Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
        \n
        Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
        """
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        [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
        \n
        The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
        """
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    +slug: "Most-private-crypto-wallet"
    +title: "Most private crypto wallet?"
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
            \n
            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
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          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
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          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
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          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
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          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
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          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
    \n
    If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
    \n
    Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
            \n
            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
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          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
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          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
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          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
          \n
          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
    \n
    If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
    \n
    Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
            \n
            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
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          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
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          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
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          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
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          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
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          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
    \n
    If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
    \n
    Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
          \n
          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
          \n
          The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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          But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
          \n
          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
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          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
    \n
    The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
    \n
    ### 1. Main wallet\n
    \n
    - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
    - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
    - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
    - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
    \n
    ---\n
    \n
    ### 2. Hot wallet\n
    \n
    - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
    \n
    ---\n
    \n
    ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
    \n
    - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
    - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
    - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
    \n
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    \n
    In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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    +url: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/655517"
    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
          \n
          The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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          The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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          But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
          \n
          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
          \n
          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
          \n
          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
    \n
    The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
    \n
    ### 1. Main wallet\n
    \n
    - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
    - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
    - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
    - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
    \n
    ---\n
    \n
    ### 2. Hot wallet\n
    \n
    - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
    \n
    ---\n
    \n
    ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
    \n
    - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
    - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
    - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
    \n
    ---\n
    \n
    In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
    """
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    +slug: "Most-private-crypto-wallet"
    +title: "Most private crypto wallet?"
    +url: "https://kbin.social/m/privacyguides@lemmy.one/t/655517"
    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
          \n
          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
          \n
          The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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          The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
          \n
          But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
          \n
          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
          \n
          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
          \n
          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
          """
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
          \n
          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
    \n
    The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
    \n
    ### 1. Main wallet\n
    \n
    - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
    - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
    - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
    - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
    \n
    ---\n
    \n
    ### 2. Hot wallet\n
    \n
    - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
    \n
    ---\n
    \n
    ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
    \n
    - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
    - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
    - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
    \n
    ---\n
    \n
    In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
    """
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    +title: "Most private crypto wallet?"
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
          \n
          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
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          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
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          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
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          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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        +body: """
          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
          \n
          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
          \n
          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
    \n
    The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
    \n
    The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
    \n
    But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
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          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
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          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
          \n
          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
          \n
          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
    \n
    The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
    \n
    The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
    \n
    But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
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          ### 1. Main wallet\n
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          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
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          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
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          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
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          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
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          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
          \n
          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
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          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
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    The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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    The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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    But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
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          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
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          ---\n
          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
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          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
    \n
    To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
    \n
    The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
    \n
    Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
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            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
            \n
            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
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          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
    \n
    To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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    The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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    Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
            \n
            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
            \n
            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
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          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
    \n
    To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
    \n
    The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
    \n
    Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
    """
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
          \n
          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
            \n
            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
          \n
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          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
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          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
          \n
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          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
          \n
          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
          \n
          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
    \n
    Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
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    Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
            \n
            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
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          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
          \n
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          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
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          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
    \n
    Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
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    Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
          \n
          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
            \n
            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
          \n
          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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          The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
    \n
    Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
    \n
    Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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    +slug: "Most-private-crypto-wallet"
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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        +body: """
          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
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            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
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            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
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            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
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          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
          \n
          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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    [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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    The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
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          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
            \n
            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
            \n
            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
            \n
            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
            """
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
          """
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
          \n
          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
          \n
          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
          \n
          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
          """
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    [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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    The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
    """
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    +body: "The whole point of me making certain payments with crypto is for it not to be attached to my name. obviously the crypto service company has my cc details. whats the most privacy friendly one? ty :)"
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          You’re right. Use a centralized exchange (CEX), and you’ll be KYCed and de-anonymized. That’s why most privacy-coin users prefer DEX. For normal persons, if privacy is important, using anonymous gift cards or prepaid credit cards, which you can easily buy without ID, is more practical, much better than KYC’ed crypto.\n
          \n
          If you can somehow get KYC-free coin, maybe from DEX, i.e. if you can get it personally from your friend or peer without showing ID etc., then and only then, you have real private crypto. There are two popular ways for this (Bisq and LocalMonero). Another option called Haveno is hopefully usable soon, but that is still iffy.\n
          \n
          Using DEX is not essentially difficult, much safer than you might imagine due to a mechanism called multisig, but maybe this option is not for normal people. When you feel experimental, you might want to try to buy a small amount via DEX, to see what it’s like. If you’re a popular programmer or artist, accepting donations in crypto is also an easy way to get no-KYC coin. Another option is p2pooling—you can get a few Euro worth of XMR relatively easily; yet this last option is time-consuming and not very effective. Many of p2pool users or full-node people are privacy-advocating volunteers, maintaining/participating the Monero network for philosophical reasons, fully aware it’s not profitable in terms of money. This might be part of the reason why Monero tx fees are almost zero (like 1/100 of that of BTC). At the same time, there are many sketchy people around crypto too 😟 Be careful and stay safe!
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            If you’re familiar with Electrum and migrating to the privacy coin, Feather may be a convenient choice.\n
            \n
            The fundamental problem for you might not be the wallet; but KYC vs. non-KYC. Is it allowed to post a link or mention specific platforms here? You may want to check a website about no-kyc and try a trusted, no-kyc platform—not a CEX but a DEX (pure P2P), so no company can monitor your private life (related to shopping). You can browse monero.town, which is a friendly Lemmy instance of !privacyguides@lemmy.one in the sense that Monero is recomended on the official site of Privacy Gudies: [www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/cryptocurrency/) (I’m a mod from !privacy@monero.town)\n
            \n
            The tricky part is, if you have been once KYCed, your privacy invaded, then you couldn’t undo it (un-KYC it). You may need to start over, creating totally new addresses, doing everything anonymously over Tor. If you’re not *that* privacy-oriented, you can just swap the KYC coin you have to Monero, and you’ll be invisible from that point.\n
            \n
            But Moneo is *not* magic to solve everything. DYOR and stay safe!
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          It depends on how much you have, etc. If it’s just like 10 or 100 €, maybe you don’t need to be super careful.\n
          \n
          The following is just one possible way—get a safe and libre “poor man’s hardware wallet” quickly and easily without paying:\n
          \n
          ### 1. Main wallet\n
          \n
          - Get a USB stick, install [Tails](https://tails.net/). This takes about an hour (most time is for downloading the .img file)\n
          - Create a persistent storage, with a strong password (maybe 7 or 8 random words).\n
          - Install [Feather](https://tails.net/doc/advanced_topics/feather/index.en.html). This takes 10–15 minutes; 30 minutes if generating a new wallet. Use it as your main wallet, and send your Monero to it.\n
          - When ready, shut down Tails. Pull out the USB and save it in a safe place. Now your wallet is physically disconnected from the Internet, air gapped. Very hard for any attacker to hack it.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 2. Hot wallet\n
          \n
          - Set up whatever wallet(s) you like on your daily device(s) for daily use. It too can be Feather, or it can be something different. Just don’t have too much money in a daily wallet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          ### 3. When you send Monero from 1 to 2\n
          \n
          - Insert the said USB, boot into Tails, send a necessary (small) amount from 1 to 2. Unlike BTC, the tx fees are like 1 cent or less. You can make a lot of small TXs without worrying about fees.\n
          - Once you signed and sent, immediately close your main Feather, shut down Tails, and physically disconnect the USB again. You don’t need to wait for confirmations. It’ll be fully confirmed in 15 or 30 minutes, and for which your wallet doesn’t need to be online.\n
          - So your daily wallet will be moderately funded, ready to use. You can enjoy private transactions, e.g. buying VPS or making anonymous donations to support your favorite software. Even if your daily wallet is hacked, your main wallet will be safe, physically disconnected from the Internet.\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          In theory this should work pretty well, if not the strongest possible. It’s not a recommendation, though. Do your own research. You may want to ask the same question in [!monero@monero.town](https://monero.town/c/monero); hearing various opinions, not just trusting one person (me), is a good idea.
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          Let’s say I’m selling you a book *B* and accepting a crypto payment. What if you sent me your crypto *C* trusting me, but I exit-scammed, vanishing without sending you *B* you’re trying to buy? That’d be bad. But what if I sent you *B* first, trusting you’ll send me *C* as soon as you receive *B*? Now *you* could cheat and vanish without paying. That’d be bad too.\n
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          To prevent any of those things from happening, there are a few methods. One is a 2-of-3 escrow service. Another is 2-of-2. Both based on multisig. A simplified example follows.\n
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          The book costs you 100€. You’ll send, say, 200€ to address *A* controlled by both you and me via multi-signature. I too will send 100€ to *A*. Now Wallet *A* has 300€. When 2 persons (you and I) sign, there will be a 2-output transaction from *A* to you (100€) and to me (200€), but any single person can’t move fund from *A*. That’s multisig.\n
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          Now I must send you the book in a good condition, because I don’t want to lose my 100€. So I’ll act carefully and honestly, and sign when I ship the book. You too will be willing to sign when you receive the book, because otherwise you can’t retrieve your 100€ (you deposited 200, when the book only costs 100). Sometimes an unexpected accident may happen, but usually something like this will work pretty well. This is one way how a P2P platform works (not very accurate, but I hope you get the idea).
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          Confusing but the official site is not monero.com but www.getmonero.org, where you can see the full list of officially suggested wallets. Official GUI is a safe option. Feather is also good, Electrum-like.\n
          \n
          Cake (Monero.com) is one of the [suggested options](https://www.getmonero.org/downloads/#mobilelight) too & is popular, but certainly not “most private“. With Feather, you can do everything over Tor, more privacy-friendly.\n
          \n
          Most Monero users only use *non-custodial* wallets; so they just say “wallets” meaning that. Technically running a local node yourself is the most secure & private—though this option is not for everyone.
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    [www.getmonero.org](https://www.getmonero.org/)\n
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    The monero.com domain has been taken by a for-profit company, Cake. The Monero community is not wealthy (nor motivated) enough to buy it back.
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        @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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        The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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        > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
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        Hence, as you can see in [monero.town/post/1085883](https://monero.town/post/1085883) (you double-posted the same thing, too), a negative comment about this:\n
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        @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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        > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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        I’m from the same Lemmy instance monero.town (technically a mod?) and can see your point. Initially I was vocal about perceived link-spamming, advertising this SimplifiedPrivacy thing; at least a few users there were/are feeling the same way, as you can see e.g. [here](https://monero.town/post/743571). So please don’t lump crypto (esp. Monero) users as a single kind of people.\n
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        Like @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone pointed out, some of info provided by this user (ShadowRebel) can be useful. Perhaps some people prefer a video to text. Monero users tend to respect freedom (of speech) and advertisement is not forbidden in Monero.town anyway. Perhaps you can understand that this does not mean “the cryptocurrency people” are the same.
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        That’s a good point. One of the two biggest weak points of a so-called e2e provider/platform is, the *e2e provider itself*.\n
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        The only **true e2e** is e.g. Alice does gpg -ea on an offline computer, copy-pastes ascii and sends it to Bob via an online computer, who copy-pastes this ascii to his offline computer and does gpg -d there. Their seckeys are airgapped from the communication channel. Sharing your sec with a provider is especially ridiculous (e.g. Proton). At least that’s what I think.
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    > In the tutorial video, we taught how to use **Kyun.host a Monero focused** free speech provider in Romania that we recommend! However, you can use any provider.\n
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    > Here is the script on our self-hosted gitlab on Kyun with an Iceland domain: [git.simplifiedprivacy.is/…/simplex-self-host/](https://git.simplifiedprivacy.is/publicgroup/simplex-self-host/)\n
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    > [xftp://YLfpIjjRjJdOHKSPHCxhHMUmB_auPkxSIkfo76cH7F…](xftp://YLfpIjjRjJdOHKSPHCxhHMUmB_auPkxSIkfo76cH7F8=@xftp.simplifiedprivacy.com:5443)\n
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    > Reach out to us if you’d like our help to setup many OTHER services or complex configurations/support at SimplifiedPrivacy.com\n
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        @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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        The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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        > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
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        Hence, as you can see in [monero.town/post/1085883](https://monero.town/post/1085883) (you double-posted the same thing, too), a negative comment about this:\n
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        > I feel like this might count as self-promotion, given it’s mentioning a particular website, their GitHub, their running service, etc. Regardless, it is informative\n
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        @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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        > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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        I’m from the same Lemmy instance monero.town (technically a mod?) and can see your point. Initially I was vocal about perceived link-spamming, advertising this SimplifiedPrivacy thing; at least a few users there were/are feeling the same way, as you can see e.g. [here](https://monero.town/post/743571). So please don’t lump crypto (esp. Monero) users as a single kind of people.\n
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        Like @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone pointed out, some of info provided by this user (ShadowRebel) can be useful. Perhaps some people prefer a video to text. Monero users tend to respect freedom (of speech) and advertisement is not forbidden in Monero.town anyway. Perhaps you can understand that this does not mean “the cryptocurrency people” are the same.
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        That’s a good point. One of the two biggest weak points of a so-called e2e provider/platform is, the *e2e provider itself*.\n
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    > SimpleX is a private encrypted messenger that creates new identities for each conversation. However, as we pointed out in a previous video, when you first install the app, it’s all the developer’s own servers. This has metadata and centralization risks. We are here to help.\n
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    > In the tutorial video, we taught how to use **Kyun.host a Monero focused** free speech provider in Romania that we recommend! However, you can use any provider.\n
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        The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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        > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
        \n
        Hence, as you can see in [monero.town/post/1085883](https://monero.town/post/1085883) (you double-posted the same thing, too), a negative comment about this:\n
        \n
        > I feel like this might count as self-promotion, given it’s mentioning a particular website, their GitHub, their running service, etc. Regardless, it is informative\n
        \n
        @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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        > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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        I’m from the same Lemmy instance monero.town (technically a mod?) and can see your point. Initially I was vocal about perceived link-spamming, advertising this SimplifiedPrivacy thing; at least a few users there were/are feeling the same way, as you can see e.g. [here](https://monero.town/post/743571). So please don’t lump crypto (esp. Monero) users as a single kind of people.\n
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      > Reach out to us if you’d like our help to setup many OTHER services or complex configurations/support at SimplifiedPrivacy.com\n
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      > Join our SimpleX Group Chat, people discuss Monero and privacy in general:\n
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      > [simplex.chat/contact#/?v=1-4&smp=smp%3A%2F%2F…](https://simplex.chat/contact#/?v=1-4&smp=smp%3A%2F%2Fhpq7_4gGJiilmz5Rf-CswuU5kZGkm_zOIooSw6yALRg%3D%40smp5.simplex.im%2FXVf2UZLG2NxirJJlkO-yjU3BjbnK-QBo%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-2%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEAy8t1QqQ_sOovdEAfXlWvWKH9dw-7kwl5menGf4JI8hU%253D%26srv%3Djjbyvoemxysm7qxap7m5d5m35jzv5qq6gnlv7s4rsn7tdwwmuqciwpid.onion&data=%7B%22type%22%3A%22group%22%2C%22groupLinkId%22%3A%225tJ0uL-PgZB4UjSIsbnyJQ%3D%3D%22%7D)\n
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          > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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    @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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    The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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    > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
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    Hence, as you can see in [monero.town/post/1085883](https://monero.town/post/1085883) (you double-posted the same thing, too), a negative comment about this:\n
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    > I feel like this might count as self-promotion, given it’s mentioning a particular website, their GitHub, their running service, etc. Regardless, it is informative\n
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    @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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      cross-posted from: [monero.town/post/1084048](https://monero.town/post/1084048)\n
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      > SimpleX is a private encrypted messenger that creates new identities for each conversation. However, as we pointed out in a previous video, when you first install the app, it’s all the developer’s own servers. This has metadata and centralization risks. We are here to help.\n
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      > SimplifiedPrivacy.com is a completely different firm than SimpleX (although we share the same first word). We just released a tutorial video with a self-host script for any Debian/Ubuntu VPS that you can use to easily self-host a SimpleX server: [video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/](https://video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/)\n
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      > In the tutorial video, we taught how to use **Kyun.host a Monero focused** free speech provider in Romania that we recommend! However, you can use any provider.\n
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      > Here is the script on our self-hosted gitlab on Kyun with an Iceland domain: [git.simplifiedprivacy.is/…/simplex-self-host/](https://git.simplifiedprivacy.is/publicgroup/simplex-self-host/)\n
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      > If you do not wish to self-host, you can add our SimpleX servers to your app for free:\n
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      > Reach out to us if you’d like our help to setup many OTHER services or complex configurations/support at SimplifiedPrivacy.com\n
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      > Join our SimpleX Group Chat, people discuss Monero and privacy in general:\n
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          > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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          I’m from the same Lemmy instance monero.town (technically a mod?) and can see your point. Initially I was vocal about perceived link-spamming, advertising this SimplifiedPrivacy thing; at least a few users there were/are feeling the same way, as you can see e.g. [here](https://monero.town/post/743571). So please don’t lump crypto (esp. Monero) users as a single kind of people.\n
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          Like @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone pointed out, some of info provided by this user (ShadowRebel) can be useful. Perhaps some people prefer a video to text. Monero users tend to respect freedom (of speech) and advertisement is not forbidden in Monero.town anyway. Perhaps you can understand that this does not mean “the cryptocurrency people” are the same.
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          That’s a good point. One of the two biggest weak points of a so-called e2e provider/platform is, the *e2e provider itself*.\n
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          The only **true e2e** is e.g. Alice does gpg -ea on an offline computer, copy-pastes ascii and sends it to Bob via an online computer, who copy-pastes this ascii to his offline computer and does gpg -d there. Their seckeys are airgapped from the communication channel. Sharing your sec with a provider is especially ridiculous (e.g. Proton). At least that’s what I think.
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    @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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    The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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    > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
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    Hence, as you can see in [monero.town/post/1085883](https://monero.town/post/1085883) (you double-posted the same thing, too), a negative comment about this:\n
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    > I feel like this might count as self-promotion, given it’s mentioning a particular website, their GitHub, their running service, etc. Regardless, it is informative\n
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    @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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      cross-posted from: [monero.town/post/1084048](https://monero.town/post/1084048)\n
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      > SimpleX is a private encrypted messenger that creates new identities for each conversation. However, as we pointed out in a previous video, when you first install the app, it’s all the developer’s own servers. This has metadata and centralization risks. We are here to help.\n
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      > SimplifiedPrivacy.com is a completely different firm than SimpleX (although we share the same first word). We just released a tutorial video with a self-host script for any Debian/Ubuntu VPS that you can use to easily self-host a SimpleX server: [video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/](https://video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/)\n
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      > In the tutorial video, we taught how to use **Kyun.host a Monero focused** free speech provider in Romania that we recommend! However, you can use any provider.\n
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      > Here is the script on our self-hosted gitlab on Kyun with an Iceland domain: [git.simplifiedprivacy.is/…/simplex-self-host/](https://git.simplifiedprivacy.is/publicgroup/simplex-self-host/)\n
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      > If you do not wish to self-host, you can add our SimpleX servers to your app for free:\n
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      > Reach out to us if you’d like our help to setup many OTHER services or complex configurations/support at SimplifiedPrivacy.com\n
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      > Join our SimpleX Group Chat, people discuss Monero and privacy in general:\n
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          > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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          I’m from the same Lemmy instance monero.town (technically a mod?) and can see your point. Initially I was vocal about perceived link-spamming, advertising this SimplifiedPrivacy thing; at least a few users there were/are feeling the same way, as you can see e.g. [here](https://monero.town/post/743571). So please don’t lump crypto (esp. Monero) users as a single kind of people.\n
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          Like @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone pointed out, some of info provided by this user (ShadowRebel) can be useful. Perhaps some people prefer a video to text. Monero users tend to respect freedom (of speech) and advertisement is not forbidden in Monero.town anyway. Perhaps you can understand that this does not mean “the cryptocurrency people” are the same.
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          That’s a good point. One of the two biggest weak points of a so-called e2e provider/platform is, the *e2e provider itself*.\n
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    @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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    The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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    > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
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    Hence, as you can see in [monero.town/post/1085883](https://monero.town/post/1085883) (you double-posted the same thing, too), a negative comment about this:\n
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    > I feel like this might count as self-promotion, given it’s mentioning a particular website, their GitHub, their running service, etc. Regardless, it is informative\n
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    @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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      cross-posted from: [monero.town/post/1084048](https://monero.town/post/1084048)\n
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      > SimpleX is a private encrypted messenger that creates new identities for each conversation. However, as we pointed out in a previous video, when you first install the app, it’s all the developer’s own servers. This has metadata and centralization risks. We are here to help.\n
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          @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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          That’s a good point. One of the two biggest weak points of a so-called e2e provider/platform is, the *e2e provider itself*.\n
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    > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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      cross-posted from: [monero.town/post/1084048](https://monero.town/post/1084048)\n
      \n
      > SimpleX is a private encrypted messenger that creates new identities for each conversation. However, as we pointed out in a previous video, when you first install the app, it’s all the developer’s own servers. This has metadata and centralization risks. We are here to help.\n
      > \n
      > SimplifiedPrivacy.com is a completely different firm than SimpleX (although we share the same first word). We just released a tutorial video with a self-host script for any Debian/Ubuntu VPS that you can use to easily self-host a SimpleX server: [video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/](https://video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/)\n
      > \n
      > In the tutorial video, we taught how to use **Kyun.host a Monero focused** free speech provider in Romania that we recommend! However, you can use any provider.\n
      > \n
      > Here is the script on our self-hosted gitlab on Kyun with an Iceland domain: [git.simplifiedprivacy.is/…/simplex-self-host/](https://git.simplifiedprivacy.is/publicgroup/simplex-self-host/)\n
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      > If you do not wish to self-host, you can add our SimpleX servers to your app for free:\n
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      > [xftp://YLfpIjjRjJdOHKSPHCxhHMUmB_auPkxSIkfo76cH7F…](xftp://YLfpIjjRjJdOHKSPHCxhHMUmB_auPkxSIkfo76cH7F8=@xftp.simplifiedprivacy.com:5443)\n
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      > Reach out to us if you’d like our help to setup many OTHER services or complex configurations/support at SimplifiedPrivacy.com\n
      > \n
      > Join our SimpleX Group Chat, people discuss Monero and privacy in general:\n
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      > [simplex.chat/contact#/?v=1-4&smp=smp%3A%2F%2F…](https://simplex.chat/contact#/?v=1-4&smp=smp%3A%2F%2Fhpq7_4gGJiilmz5Rf-CswuU5kZGkm_zOIooSw6yALRg%3D%40smp5.simplex.im%2FXVf2UZLG2NxirJJlkO-yjU3BjbnK-QBo%23%2F%3Fv%3D1-2%26dh%3DMCowBQYDK2VuAyEAy8t1QqQ_sOovdEAfXlWvWKH9dw-7kwl5menGf4JI8hU%253D%26srv%3Djjbyvoemxysm7qxap7m5d5m35jzv5qq6gnlv7s4rsn7tdwwmuqciwpid.onion&data=%7B%22type%22%3A%22group%22%2C%22groupLinkId%22%3A%225tJ0uL-PgZB4UjSIsbnyJQ%3D%3D%22%7D)\n
      > \n
      > **___**
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          @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
          \n
          The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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          > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
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          Hence, as you can see in [monero.town/post/1085883](https://monero.town/post/1085883) (you double-posted the same thing, too), a negative comment about this:\n
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          > I feel like this might count as self-promotion, given it’s mentioning a particular website, their GitHub, their running service, etc. Regardless, it is informative\n
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          @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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          That’s a good point. One of the two biggest weak points of a so-called e2e provider/platform is, the *e2e provider itself*.\n
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          The only **true e2e** is e.g. Alice does gpg -ea on an offline computer, copy-pastes ascii and sends it to Bob via an online computer, who copy-pastes this ascii to his offline computer and does gpg -d there. Their seckeys are airgapped from the communication channel. Sharing your sec with a provider is especially ridiculous (e.g. Proton). At least that’s what I think.
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    > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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    I’m from the same Lemmy instance monero.town (technically a mod?) and can see your point. Initially I was vocal about perceived link-spamming, advertising this SimplifiedPrivacy thing; at least a few users there were/are feeling the same way, as you can see e.g. [here](https://monero.town/post/743571). So please don’t lump crypto (esp. Monero) users as a single kind of people.\n
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    Like @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone pointed out, some of info provided by this user (ShadowRebel) can be useful. Perhaps some people prefer a video to text. Monero users tend to respect freedom (of speech) and advertisement is not forbidden in Monero.town anyway. Perhaps you can understand that this does not mean “the cryptocurrency people” are the same.
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      > SimpleX is a private encrypted messenger that creates new identities for each conversation. However, as we pointed out in a previous video, when you first install the app, it’s all the developer’s own servers. This has metadata and centralization risks. We are here to help.\n
      > \n
      > SimplifiedPrivacy.com is a completely different firm than SimpleX (although we share the same first word). We just released a tutorial video with a self-host script for any Debian/Ubuntu VPS that you can use to easily self-host a SimpleX server: [video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/](https://video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/)\n
      > \n
      > In the tutorial video, we taught how to use **Kyun.host a Monero focused** free speech provider in Romania that we recommend! However, you can use any provider.\n
      > \n
      > Here is the script on our self-hosted gitlab on Kyun with an Iceland domain: [git.simplifiedprivacy.is/…/simplex-self-host/](https://git.simplifiedprivacy.is/publicgroup/simplex-self-host/)\n
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          @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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          The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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          > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
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          @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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          That’s a good point. One of the two biggest weak points of a so-called e2e provider/platform is, the *e2e provider itself*.\n
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          The only **true e2e** is e.g. Alice does gpg -ea on an offline computer, copy-pastes ascii and sends it to Bob via an online computer, who copy-pastes this ascii to his offline computer and does gpg -d there. Their seckeys are airgapped from the communication channel. Sharing your sec with a provider is especially ridiculous (e.g. Proton). At least that’s what I think.
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    > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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    I’m from the same Lemmy instance monero.town (technically a mod?) and can see your point. Initially I was vocal about perceived link-spamming, advertising this SimplifiedPrivacy thing; at least a few users there were/are feeling the same way, as you can see e.g. [here](https://monero.town/post/743571). So please don’t lump crypto (esp. Monero) users as a single kind of people.\n
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    Like @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone pointed out, some of info provided by this user (ShadowRebel) can be useful. Perhaps some people prefer a video to text. Monero users tend to respect freedom (of speech) and advertisement is not forbidden in Monero.town anyway. Perhaps you can understand that this does not mean “the cryptocurrency people” are the same.
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      > SimpleX is a private encrypted messenger that creates new identities for each conversation. However, as we pointed out in a previous video, when you first install the app, it’s all the developer’s own servers. This has metadata and centralization risks. We are here to help.\n
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      > In the tutorial video, we taught how to use **Kyun.host a Monero focused** free speech provider in Romania that we recommend! However, you can use any provider.\n
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      > Here is the script on our self-hosted gitlab on Kyun with an Iceland domain: [git.simplifiedprivacy.is/…/simplex-self-host/](https://git.simplifiedprivacy.is/publicgroup/simplex-self-host/)\n
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      > If you do not wish to self-host, you can add our SimpleX servers to your app for free:\n
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      > Reach out to us if you’d like our help to setup many OTHER services or complex configurations/support at SimplifiedPrivacy.com\n
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      > Join our SimpleX Group Chat, people discuss Monero and privacy in general:\n
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          @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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          The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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          > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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    That’s a good point. One of the two biggest weak points of a so-called e2e provider/platform is, the *e2e provider itself*.\n
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      cross-posted from: [monero.town/post/1084048](https://monero.town/post/1084048)\n
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      > SimpleX is a private encrypted messenger that creates new identities for each conversation. However, as we pointed out in a previous video, when you first install the app, it’s all the developer’s own servers. This has metadata and centralization risks. We are here to help.\n
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      > SimplifiedPrivacy.com is a completely different firm than SimpleX (although we share the same first word). We just released a tutorial video with a self-host script for any Debian/Ubuntu VPS that you can use to easily self-host a SimpleX server: [video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/](https://video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/)\n
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      > In the tutorial video, we taught how to use **Kyun.host a Monero focused** free speech provider in Romania that we recommend! However, you can use any provider.\n
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      > Here is the script on our self-hosted gitlab on Kyun with an Iceland domain: [git.simplifiedprivacy.is/…/simplex-self-host/](https://git.simplifiedprivacy.is/publicgroup/simplex-self-host/)\n
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      > If you do not wish to self-host, you can add our SimpleX servers to your app for free:\n
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      > Reach out to us if you’d like our help to setup many OTHER services or complex configurations/support at SimplifiedPrivacy.com\n
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      > Join our SimpleX Group Chat, people discuss Monero and privacy in general:\n
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      > **___**
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          @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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          The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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          > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
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          Hence, as you can see in [monero.town/post/1085883](https://monero.town/post/1085883) (you double-posted the same thing, too), a negative comment about this:\n
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          > I feel like this might count as self-promotion, given it’s mentioning a particular website, their GitHub, their running service, etc. Regardless, it is informative\n
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          @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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          > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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          I’m from the same Lemmy instance monero.town (technically a mod?) and can see your point. Initially I was vocal about perceived link-spamming, advertising this SimplifiedPrivacy thing; at least a few users there were/are feeling the same way, as you can see e.g. [here](https://monero.town/post/743571). So please don’t lump crypto (esp. Monero) users as a single kind of people.\n
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          Like @leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone pointed out, some of info provided by this user (ShadowRebel) can be useful. Perhaps some people prefer a video to text. Monero users tend to respect freedom (of speech) and advertisement is not forbidden in Monero.town anyway. Perhaps you can understand that this does not mean “the cryptocurrency people” are the same.
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    That’s a good point. One of the two biggest weak points of a so-called e2e provider/platform is, the *e2e provider itself*.\n
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    The only **true e2e** is e.g. Alice does gpg -ea on an offline computer, copy-pastes ascii and sends it to Bob via an online computer, who copy-pastes this ascii to his offline computer and does gpg -d there. Their seckeys are airgapped from the communication channel. Sharing your sec with a provider is especially ridiculous (e.g. Proton). At least that’s what I think.
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      cross-posted from: [monero.town/post/1084048](https://monero.town/post/1084048)\n
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      > SimpleX is a private encrypted messenger that creates new identities for each conversation. However, as we pointed out in a previous video, when you first install the app, it’s all the developer’s own servers. This has metadata and centralization risks. We are here to help.\n
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      > SimplifiedPrivacy.com is a completely different firm than SimpleX (although we share the same first word). We just released a tutorial video with a self-host script for any Debian/Ubuntu VPS that you can use to easily self-host a SimpleX server: [video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/](https://video.simplifiedprivacy.com/simplex/)\n
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      > In the tutorial video, we taught how to use **Kyun.host a Monero focused** free speech provider in Romania that we recommend! However, you can use any provider.\n
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      > Here is the script on our self-hosted gitlab on Kyun with an Iceland domain: [git.simplifiedprivacy.is/…/simplex-self-host/](https://git.simplifiedprivacy.is/publicgroup/simplex-self-host/)\n
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      > Reach out to us if you’d like our help to setup many OTHER services or complex configurations/support at SimplifiedPrivacy.com\n
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      > Join our SimpleX Group Chat, people discuss Monero and privacy in general:\n
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          @ride I know the background: this info could be very useful, and you commented, “Even if not directly Monero-related, this draws attention to the community when such contributions come from here.”\n
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          The problem is, !privacyguides@lemmy.one has a different set of rules than Monero.town does, explicitly stating:\n
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          > This is not the place for self-promotion if you are not listed on privacyguides.org. If you want to be listed, make a suggestion on our forum first.\n
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          Hence, as you can see in [monero.town/post/1085883](https://monero.town/post/1085883) (you double-posted the same thing, too), a negative comment about this:\n
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          @LWD@lemm.ee is not “childish”, even stating “it is informative.” But even if this post may be useful, we should follow the rules of !privacyguides@lemmy.one when (cross-)posting here; otherwise, Monero.town may look bad.
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          > Leave it to the cryptocurrency people to turn a simple tutorial into an ad.\n
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          I’m from the same Lemmy instance monero.town (technically a mod?) and can see your point. Initially I was vocal about perceived link-spamming, advertising this SimplifiedPrivacy thing; at least a few users there were/are feeling the same way, as you can see e.g. [here](https://monero.town/post/743571). So please don’t lump crypto (esp. Monero) users as a single kind of people.\n
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