GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/u/@dingdongitsabear@lemmy.ml/hot

Response
200 OK
IP
3.133.79.73
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Token
866149

Security

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Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
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  "remember_me"
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  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
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2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
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  +title: "need help fixing a hardware problem using linux"
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  +body: """
    so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
    \n
    I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
    \n
    I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
    \n
    the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
    \n
    [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
    \n
    would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
    \n
    at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
    \n
    so, bad luck - faulty screen or backlight or RAM or something, right?\n
    \n
    except, when I unplug the battery (but leave it in place) and connect it to power and reenable the BD_PROCHOT patch - zero glitches! it runs for hours - videos, GPU and CPU stress test, not one hiccup, tear, nothing!\n
    \n
    if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
    \n
    what I’ve tried:\n
    \n
    - different USB Type-C chargers\n
    - fresh paste on CPU, clean vent\n
    - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
    - memtest passed twice on thorough, all clear\n
    - internal diagnostics also\n
    - it never froze or crashed\n
    - screenshot during glitches doesn’t contain them\n
    - disabling turbo, upping/lowering the max/boost GPU clock, forcing cores offline, limiting max frequencies with TLP\n
    - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
    - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
    - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
    - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
    \n
    at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
    \n
    so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
    \n
    seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
    \n
    edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
    """
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      +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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      +body: """
        this if from a F38 live image.\n
        \n
        idle on battery: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5ef7b207-f5db-41c7-bfb6-b61d6d66e100.png)\n
        \n
        load on battery: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/29df20e6-7bb1-4b7c-a3db-6335417daccc.png)\n
        \n
        charging idle: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/b9ac32f1-9150-43bd-86ea-392f8cf43ebc.png)\n
        \n
        charging load: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/dc4b64d9-9d6e-4519-8f42-ade6bbb4c360.png)\n
        \n
        battery is (or should be) 7.6V 42Wh. BIOS rates condition as excellent, 92% battery health. no visible deformations, as stated.\n
        \n
        naturally, during this whole period the screen didn’t flicker once.
        """
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      +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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      +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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      +body: "sadly that’s not an option at this point."
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        naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
        \n
        if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
        """
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      +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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        hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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    so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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      +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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        naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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        if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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      +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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        hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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        edit: nah.
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      +body: "thanks for the input. so no amount of tweaking and kernel switches and MSRs and what not can be utilized to lower or alter the performance so that it behaves? the repair route isn’t likely unfortunately"
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    so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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    at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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    - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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    so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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    seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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    edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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      +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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        this if from a F38 live image.\n
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      +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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      +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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        naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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        if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
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      [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
      \n
      [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
      \n
      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      so, bad luck - faulty screen or backlight or RAM or something, right?\n
      \n
      except, when I unplug the battery (but leave it in place) and connect it to power and reenable the BD_PROCHOT patch - zero glitches! it runs for hours - videos, GPU and CPU stress test, not one hiccup, tear, nothing!\n
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      if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - different USB Type-C chargers\n
      - fresh paste on CPU, clean vent\n
      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
      - memtest passed twice on thorough, all clear\n
      - internal diagnostics also\n
      - it never froze or crashed\n
      - screenshot during glitches doesn’t contain them\n
      - disabling turbo, upping/lowering the max/boost GPU clock, forcing cores offline, limiting max frequencies with TLP\n
      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
      - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
      \n
      at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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      edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          idle on battery: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5ef7b207-f5db-41c7-bfb6-b61d6d66e100.png)\n
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          battery is (or should be) 7.6V 42Wh. BIOS rates condition as excellent, 92% battery health. no visible deformations, as stated.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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    this if from a F38 live image.\n
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    battery is (or should be) 7.6V 42Wh. BIOS rates condition as excellent, 92% battery health. no visible deformations, as stated.\n
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    naturally, during this whole period the screen didn’t flicker once.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
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      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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        +body: "thanks for the input. so no amount of tweaking and kernel switches and MSRs and what not can be utilized to lower or alter the performance so that it behaves? the repair route isn’t likely unfortunately"
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
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      [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
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      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      so, bad luck - faulty screen or backlight or RAM or something, right?\n
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      except, when I unplug the battery (but leave it in place) and connect it to power and reenable the BD_PROCHOT patch - zero glitches! it runs for hours - videos, GPU and CPU stress test, not one hiccup, tear, nothing!\n
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      if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
      - memtest passed twice on thorough, all clear\n
      - internal diagnostics also\n
      - it never froze or crashed\n
      - screenshot during glitches doesn’t contain them\n
      - disabling turbo, upping/lowering the max/boost GPU clock, forcing cores offline, limiting max frequencies with TLP\n
      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
      - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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      edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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        +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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          edit: nah.
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        +body: "thanks for the input. so no amount of tweaking and kernel switches and MSRs and what not can be utilized to lower or alter the performance so that it behaves? the repair route isn’t likely unfortunately"
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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          edit: nah.
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        +body: "thanks for the input. so no amount of tweaking and kernel switches and MSRs and what not can be utilized to lower or alter the performance so that it behaves? the repair route isn’t likely unfortunately"
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
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      [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
      \n
      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      so, bad luck - faulty screen or backlight or RAM or something, right?\n
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      except, when I unplug the battery (but leave it in place) and connect it to power and reenable the BD_PROCHOT patch - zero glitches! it runs for hours - videos, GPU and CPU stress test, not one hiccup, tear, nothing!\n
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      if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - fresh paste on CPU, clean vent\n
      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
      - memtest passed twice on thorough, all clear\n
      - internal diagnostics also\n
      - it never froze or crashed\n
      - screenshot during glitches doesn’t contain them\n
      - disabling turbo, upping/lowering the max/boost GPU clock, forcing cores offline, limiting max frequencies with TLP\n
      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
      - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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      edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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        +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          idle on battery: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5ef7b207-f5db-41c7-bfb6-b61d6d66e100.png)\n
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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        +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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          edit: nah.
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        +body: "thanks for the input. so no amount of tweaking and kernel switches and MSRs and what not can be utilized to lower or alter the performance so that it behaves? the repair route isn’t likely unfortunately"
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
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      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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        +body: "thanks for the input. so no amount of tweaking and kernel switches and MSRs and what not can be utilized to lower or alter the performance so that it behaves? the repair route isn’t likely unfortunately"
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
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      [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
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      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      so, bad luck - faulty screen or backlight or RAM or something, right?\n
      \n
      except, when I unplug the battery (but leave it in place) and connect it to power and reenable the BD_PROCHOT patch - zero glitches! it runs for hours - videos, GPU and CPU stress test, not one hiccup, tear, nothing!\n
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      if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - fresh paste on CPU, clean vent\n
      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
      - memtest passed twice on thorough, all clear\n
      - internal diagnostics also\n
      - it never froze or crashed\n
      - screenshot during glitches doesn’t contain them\n
      - disabling turbo, upping/lowering the max/boost GPU clock, forcing cores offline, limiting max frequencies with TLP\n
      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
      - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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      edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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        +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          idle on battery: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5ef7b207-f5db-41c7-bfb6-b61d6d66e100.png)\n
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          load on battery: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/29df20e6-7bb1-4b7c-a3db-6335417daccc.png)\n
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          battery is (or should be) 7.6V 42Wh. BIOS rates condition as excellent, 92% battery health. no visible deformations, as stated.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
          \n
          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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          edit: nah.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
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      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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          edit: nah.
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        +body: "thanks for the input. so no amount of tweaking and kernel switches and MSRs and what not can be utilized to lower or alter the performance so that it behaves? the repair route isn’t likely unfortunately"
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    naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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    if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
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      [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
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      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      except, when I unplug the battery (but leave it in place) and connect it to power and reenable the BD_PROCHOT patch - zero glitches! it runs for hours - videos, GPU and CPU stress test, not one hiccup, tear, nothing!\n
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      if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
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      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
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      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
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      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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      edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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        +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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    naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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    if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
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      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
      - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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        +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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    naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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    if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
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      - internal diagnostics also\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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          edit: nah.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
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      [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
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      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      so, bad luck - faulty screen or backlight or RAM or something, right?\n
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      except, when I unplug the battery (but leave it in place) and connect it to power and reenable the BD_PROCHOT patch - zero glitches! it runs for hours - videos, GPU and CPU stress test, not one hiccup, tear, nothing!\n
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      if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
      - memtest passed twice on thorough, all clear\n
      - internal diagnostics also\n
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      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
      - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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      edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
          \n
          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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          edit: nah.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
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      [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
      \n
      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      so, bad luck - faulty screen or backlight or RAM or something, right?\n
      \n
      except, when I unplug the battery (but leave it in place) and connect it to power and reenable the BD_PROCHOT patch - zero glitches! it runs for hours - videos, GPU and CPU stress test, not one hiccup, tear, nothing!\n
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      if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - fresh paste on CPU, clean vent\n
      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
      - memtest passed twice on thorough, all clear\n
      - internal diagnostics also\n
      - it never froze or crashed\n
      - screenshot during glitches doesn’t contain them\n
      - disabling turbo, upping/lowering the max/boost GPU clock, forcing cores offline, limiting max frequencies with TLP\n
      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
      - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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      edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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        +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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    hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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    edit: nah.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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        +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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    hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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    edit: nah.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
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      - internal diagnostics also\n
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      - screenshot during glitches doesn’t contain them\n
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      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
      - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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      edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          idle on battery: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5ef7b207-f5db-41c7-bfb6-b61d6d66e100.png)\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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    hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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    edit: nah.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      I got it second-hand, unknown history, without a battery. they’re stuck at 400 MHz without one, but Thottlestop in Windows and msr-tools in Linux fix the BD_PROCHOT throttling and the machine performed adequately for months.\n
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      I’ve sourced a replacement battery, removed the patch and my problems started. there’s weird screen flickering, looks like bad video ram or a flaky connection. it’s intermittent, sometimes it runs without issues for hours, sometimes minutes and sometimes it flickers from the start, so troubleshooting and checking if this or that fixed things takes days.\n
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      the artefacts are inconsistent with anything that is or isn’t happening (load, temps, etc) or power source. the problem is mostly exacerbated when the battery is full and/or when waking from sleep, it’s almost always super glitchy then.\n
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      [here’s a demonstration:](https://imgur.com/a/WnsL2Jj)\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
      \n
      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      so, bad luck - faulty screen or backlight or RAM or something, right?\n
      \n
      except, when I unplug the battery (but leave it in place) and connect it to power and reenable the BD_PROCHOT patch - zero glitches! it runs for hours - videos, GPU and CPU stress test, not one hiccup, tear, nothing!\n
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      if it were a normal laptop, I’d just leave it be and use it as a desktop. it feels like such a waste with the functional touchscreen though.\n
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      what I’ve tried:\n
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      - fresh paste on CPU, clean vent\n
      - latest firmware, tried downgrading, no change\n
      - memtest passed twice on thorough, all clear\n
      - internal diagnostics also\n
      - it never froze or crashed\n
      - screenshot during glitches doesn’t contain them\n
      - disabling turbo, upping/lowering the max/boost GPU clock, forcing cores offline, limiting max frequencies with TLP\n
      - the battery isn’t deformed and doesn’t exert pressure on the screen or any cables; also tried running it with the screen slightly lifted from the case, no change\n
      - pressing, jerking, wiggling of the internal display cable/connector, no change\n
      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      at some point, it had both charger and dock with PD attached at the same time to both USB Type-C ports; it’s possible this fried something, although I have no evidence of that.\n
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      so, I’m sure this is NOT a linux hardware problem, but I would like to use linux to fix the problem. at this point, I am sure it’s defective, whether it’s age or physical or manufacturing defect or whatever; but since it definitely works perfectly without the battery, I’m looking for some tweaks that makes it perform *with* the battery the same as *without* it.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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      edit: I’m not asking for free hardware troubleshooting, maybe I haven’t expressed myself succintly. what I’d like is some sort of snapshot of all relevant registers with battery working. and then one without. and then have somehow the difference between those two computed, so I can see which setting I need to tweak. would this be doable?
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        +body: "that seems reasonable but I don’t trust my chubby fingers, everything is so tiny I’m afraid I’ll short something."
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          idle on battery: ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/5ef7b207-f5db-41c7-bfb6-b61d6d66e100.png)\n
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          battery is (or should be) 7.6V 42Wh. BIOS rates condition as excellent, 92% battery health. no visible deformations, as stated.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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          edit: nah.
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      would be great if I could try a different battery or try this one in another device, but don’t have that option.\n
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      at no point are there ANY glitches on the external display (tried DP-Alt over USB Type-C and HDMI over Dell WD19 Dock), regardless if the internal screen is enabled or not.\n
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      - same issues in Windows 11, Ubuntu 23.04 and Fedora WS 38; rarely but sometimes in BIOS/during boot\n
      - sadly, can’t undervolt the CPU/GPU (Throttlestop FIVER says it’s locked) but some MSR writes are apparently OK (like disabling BD_PROCHOT works).\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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      so, I have a weird problem with a Dell Latitude 5285, that’s a 2-in-1 with a detachable keyboard akin to the MS Surface Pro 5. it has an i5-7300u, 16 GB LPDDR3 (on-board), 500 GB NVMe, 12.3" 1920x1280 3:2 touch screen.\n
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      seriously doubt anyone’s seen anything similar but are there any ideas what to look at? what to try?\n
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          this if from a F38 live image.\n
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          battery is (or should be) 7.6V 42Wh. BIOS rates condition as excellent, 92% battery health. no visible deformations, as stated.\n
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        +body: "sure, it’s a decade old device worth like $100, if that. of course this is a tinkering exercise. but I’m referring to the fact that it works perfectly without battery, it obviously has some power limiting then (no speedstep, no turbo). so I was looking to recreate that behavior with the battery."
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        +body: "thanks for chiming in. yeah, some surface models are prone to have these issues as well, I remember trying that in windows but with no results. in linux, the i915 driver doesn’t have that option any more, or I suck at reading comprehension… anyhow, not sure that’s the same issue, as my device has these spells also when on AC power but with battery installed. the only times it’s functioning properly is when it’s on AC and with battery removed. but this looks like a promising lead to research further."
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          naturally, it began again after waking from sleep. that’s why it’s so darn tiresome diagnosing it, you never know if the tweak you’ve made has any effect, sometimes it works for hours, sometimes it freaks out after seconds.\n
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          if the battery is the culprit, shouldn’t it stop being a problem when running the device on external power? it’s not like it’s constantly charging the battery and simultaneously draining it; at least, no laptop I know of does that. and if the display cable is faulty, then it should also have those flickers when running it without battery. that never happens.
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        +body: "nah, tried that when I had windows on it. that and a bunch of other stuff from the unhelpfulest site on the webz - dell.com. screen rates and resolutions and auto brightness as well. the battery contacts are way too tiny for me to do anything meaningful there. besides, I’m thinking that if the battery is the problem, then there shouldn’t be any issues when running the thing on external power; it’s not like the battery is powering the laptop when connected to external power, it’s running on external power and using the surplus to charge the battery."
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          hmm, there’s an idea. I’ll try to shield the cable from the battery with cardboard and aluminium foil.\n
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          edit: nah.
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  +body: "thanks for the input. so no amount of tweaking and kernel switches and MSRs and what not can be utilized to lower or alter the performance so that it behaves? the repair route isn’t likely unfortunately"
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    I have been having such a difficult time getting a 2018 Dell Latitude 7930 to run any Linux distro stably. Maybe there is something obvious I am missing or maybe it really is dying hardware that’s the root cause of the issue.\n
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        thanks. unfortunately, didn’t fix [my problem](https://lemmy.ml/post/9835892).\n
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    I have been having such a difficult time getting a 2018 Dell Latitude 7930 to run any Linux distro stably. Maybe there is something obvious I am missing or maybe it really is dying hardware that’s the root cause of the issue.\n
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          you have faulty hardware, whether it’s RAM or cooling or storage related, no way to tell but crashes like that don’t happen nowadays.\n
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    I have been having such a difficult time getting a 2018 Dell Latitude 7930 to run any Linux distro stably. Maybe there is something obvious I am missing or maybe it really is dying hardware that’s the root cause of the issue.\n
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          you have faulty hardware, whether it’s RAM or cooling or storage related, no way to tell but crashes like that don’t happen nowadays.\n
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    thanks. unfortunately, didn’t fix [my problem](https://lemmy.ml/post/9835892).\n
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    thanks. unfortunately, didn’t fix [my problem](https://lemmy.ml/post/9835892).\n
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          I have an issue involving similar hardware, can you share the mandatory stuff for 8th gen iGPUs? read through the intel_graphics article but found no direct mention.\n
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            you have faulty hardware, whether it’s RAM or cooling or storage related, no way to tell but crashes like that don’t happen nowadays.\n
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          thanks. unfortunately, didn’t fix [my problem](https://lemmy.ml/post/9835892).\n
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    While cutting edge testing distribution such as Fedora are going Wayland only and the proponents of such move say that this push is required to shake things out. I would like to highlight some of the things which are not there yet on the graphic tablet configuration front on plasma wayland. Although the basic support for the tablet is provided through libinput and those who are content with the default will have no issues, those who rely on configuring the tablet will have hard time on wayland.\n
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    - No way to create multiple profile of the tablet configuration, so that artist can choose different configuration like shortcuts , pen pressure etc for different workflow like inking a comic or doing vector art - Bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671)\n
    - No way to fine tune pressure curve of the tablet, various people draw with varying pressure some people draw with heavy hand some use light touch, configuring pressure curve helps artist to get nice lines. - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457705](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671)\n
    - Often graphic tablets have a touch strip or ring but on plasma wayland there is no way to assign shortcut to touch rings - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752)\n
    - Related to the above some tablets allow users to switch the modes of the touch ring for example you can click a button and change the mode from one set of shortcuts like scrolling to another set of shortcut like changing hue or zooming in and out. but this is not available in plasma wayland - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787)\n
    - Creative applications often have use of single modifier shortcuts, artists map this to their pen buttons for example holding ctrl to colour pick while painting but this is not possible on plasma wayland - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461259](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461259)\n
    - There is no way to calibrate a display tablet so that there is no wierd offset - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476982](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476982) this is in the works and there is an open [MR](https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/merge_requests/1833) by an awesome KDE contributor but it will probably be in 6.1\n
    - There is no way to switch between absolute and relative mode of the graphic tablet - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898)\n
    - There is no way to assign mouse click presses to pen button as shortcuts, For example you want to change the default and assign a different button on a pen to do middle mouse click to pan the canvas in krita it won’t accept middle mouse click as a shortcut- [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636)\n
    - The pointer for the graphic tablet is a cross in plasma wayland, it doesn’t even change to resize handle cursor or any other things depending on the context. So if you want to resize a window with your pen it will be troublesome to use this pointer. - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477570](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477570) I am not sure how this was gone unnoticed until now.\n
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    I hope some kind volunteer developer notices these shortcomings which were possible earlier on X11 and are not possible on plasma Wayland and help us artists types who rely on these features to use and enjoy wayland like it is intended without worry. Some of these things were possible on X11 for a decade and yet wayland takes us back to square 1.
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        I have no direct experience with any pen related issues but kudos for taking the time to open all them reports. sooner or later, someone is going to tackle those issues. let’s hope it’s soon.\n
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        I’m not calling you a reactionary, just seen way too many people maintaining “this is fine” for issues that are anything but.\n
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        pipewire sucked *a lot* for the longest time, at least for several setups I know. but it got better and more dependable by getting forced onto users. if it had waited to be 100%, it wouldn’t ever be in production.\n
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    While cutting edge testing distribution such as Fedora are going Wayland only and the proponents of such move say that this push is required to shake things out. I would like to highlight some of the things which are not there yet on the graphic tablet configuration front on plasma wayland. Although the basic support for the tablet is provided through libinput and those who are content with the default will have no issues, those who rely on configuring the tablet will have hard time on wayland.\n
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    I was told that fedora making this move will help us get up to speed and it will pressurize developers to fix broken and non implemented things in plasma wayland soon. But sadly I do not see this happening in the graphic tablet configuration side of things. Hope this post gets the attention from the developers and they pay some attention towards the needs of us less lucky people who do not know to code it ourselves.\n
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    I am not sure if these deficiencies will be fixed in plasma 6 release as most of them are marked as wish list or extra things. Thus making the transition from plasma 5 to plasma 6 a regression for people depending on these things. If you compare the current graphic tablet configuration section on X11 to that of plasma wayland you will understand what I am saying.\n
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    - Often graphic tablets have a touch strip or ring but on plasma wayland there is no way to assign shortcut to touch rings - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752)\n
    - Related to the above some tablets allow users to switch the modes of the touch ring for example you can click a button and change the mode from one set of shortcuts like scrolling to another set of shortcut like changing hue or zooming in and out. but this is not available in plasma wayland - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787)\n
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    - There is no way to assign mouse click presses to pen button as shortcuts, For example you want to change the default and assign a different button on a pen to do middle mouse click to pan the canvas in krita it won’t accept middle mouse click as a shortcut- [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636)\n
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        I have no direct experience with any pen related issues but kudos for taking the time to open all them reports. sooner or later, someone is going to tackle those issues. let’s hope it’s soon.\n
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        there’s a lot of things that need to be re-implemented in wayland and it currently sucks for a lot of people; but forcing change by pushing wayland onto the users is the only way forward, way too many people are comfortable with status quo.
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        I’m not calling you a reactionary, just seen way too many people maintaining “this is fine” for issues that are anything but.\n
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    While cutting edge testing distribution such as Fedora are going Wayland only and the proponents of such move say that this push is required to shake things out. I would like to highlight some of the things which are not there yet on the graphic tablet configuration front on plasma wayland. Although the basic support for the tablet is provided through libinput and those who are content with the default will have no issues, those who rely on configuring the tablet will have hard time on wayland.\n
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    I was told that fedora making this move will help us get up to speed and it will pressurize developers to fix broken and non implemented things in plasma wayland soon. But sadly I do not see this happening in the graphic tablet configuration side of things. Hope this post gets the attention from the developers and they pay some attention towards the needs of us less lucky people who do not know to code it ourselves.\n
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    I am not sure if these deficiencies will be fixed in plasma 6 release as most of them are marked as wish list or extra things. Thus making the transition from plasma 5 to plasma 6 a regression for people depending on these things. If you compare the current graphic tablet configuration section on X11 to that of plasma wayland you will understand what I am saying.\n
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    - No way to fine tune pressure curve of the tablet, various people draw with varying pressure some people draw with heavy hand some use light touch, configuring pressure curve helps artist to get nice lines. - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457705](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671)\n
    - Often graphic tablets have a touch strip or ring but on plasma wayland there is no way to assign shortcut to touch rings - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752)\n
    - Related to the above some tablets allow users to switch the modes of the touch ring for example you can click a button and change the mode from one set of shortcuts like scrolling to another set of shortcut like changing hue or zooming in and out. but this is not available in plasma wayland - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787)\n
    - Creative applications often have use of single modifier shortcuts, artists map this to their pen buttons for example holding ctrl to colour pick while painting but this is not possible on plasma wayland - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461259](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461259)\n
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    - There is no way to switch between absolute and relative mode of the graphic tablet - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898)\n
    - There is no way to assign mouse click presses to pen button as shortcuts, For example you want to change the default and assign a different button on a pen to do middle mouse click to pan the canvas in krita it won’t accept middle mouse click as a shortcut- [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636)\n
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        I have no direct experience with any pen related issues but kudos for taking the time to open all them reports. sooner or later, someone is going to tackle those issues. let’s hope it’s soon.\n
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        I’m not calling you a reactionary, just seen way too many people maintaining “this is fine” for issues that are anything but.\n
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        pipewire sucked *a lot* for the longest time, at least for several setups I know. but it got better and more dependable by getting forced onto users. if it had waited to be 100%, it wouldn’t ever be in production.\n
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      While cutting edge testing distribution such as Fedora are going Wayland only and the proponents of such move say that this push is required to shake things out. I would like to highlight some of the things which are not there yet on the graphic tablet configuration front on plasma wayland. Although the basic support for the tablet is provided through libinput and those who are content with the default will have no issues, those who rely on configuring the tablet will have hard time on wayland.\n
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      I am not sure if these deficiencies will be fixed in plasma 6 release as most of them are marked as wish list or extra things. Thus making the transition from plasma 5 to plasma 6 a regression for people depending on these things. If you compare the current graphic tablet configuration section on X11 to that of plasma wayland you will understand what I am saying.\n
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      - Often graphic tablets have a touch strip or ring but on plasma wayland there is no way to assign shortcut to touch rings - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752)\n
      - Related to the above some tablets allow users to switch the modes of the touch ring for example you can click a button and change the mode from one set of shortcuts like scrolling to another set of shortcut like changing hue or zooming in and out. but this is not available in plasma wayland - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787)\n
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      - There is no way to calibrate a display tablet so that there is no wierd offset - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476982](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476982) this is in the works and there is an open [MR](https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/merge_requests/1833) by an awesome KDE contributor but it will probably be in 6.1\n
      - There is no way to switch between absolute and relative mode of the graphic tablet - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898)\n
      - There is no way to assign mouse click presses to pen button as shortcuts, For example you want to change the default and assign a different button on a pen to do middle mouse click to pan the canvas in krita it won’t accept middle mouse click as a shortcut- [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636)\n
      - The pointer for the graphic tablet is a cross in plasma wayland, it doesn’t even change to resize handle cursor or any other things depending on the context. So if you want to resize a window with your pen it will be troublesome to use this pointer. - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477570](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477570) I am not sure how this was gone unnoticed until now.\n
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      I hope some kind volunteer developer notices these shortcomings which were possible earlier on X11 and are not possible on plasma Wayland and help us artists types who rely on these features to use and enjoy wayland like it is intended without worry. Some of these things were possible on X11 for a decade and yet wayland takes us back to square 1.
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          I’m not calling you a reactionary, just seen way too many people maintaining “this is fine” for issues that are anything but.\n
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    I have no direct experience with any pen related issues but kudos for taking the time to open all them reports. sooner or later, someone is going to tackle those issues. let’s hope it’s soon.\n
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      While cutting edge testing distribution such as Fedora are going Wayland only and the proponents of such move say that this push is required to shake things out. I would like to highlight some of the things which are not there yet on the graphic tablet configuration front on plasma wayland. Although the basic support for the tablet is provided through libinput and those who are content with the default will have no issues, those who rely on configuring the tablet will have hard time on wayland.\n
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      I was told that fedora making this move will help us get up to speed and it will pressurize developers to fix broken and non implemented things in plasma wayland soon. But sadly I do not see this happening in the graphic tablet configuration side of things. Hope this post gets the attention from the developers and they pay some attention towards the needs of us less lucky people who do not know to code it ourselves.\n
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      I am not sure if these deficiencies will be fixed in plasma 6 release as most of them are marked as wish list or extra things. Thus making the transition from plasma 5 to plasma 6 a regression for people depending on these things. If you compare the current graphic tablet configuration section on X11 to that of plasma wayland you will understand what I am saying.\n
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      Graphic tablet support bugs\n
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      - No way to map a portion of the tablet are to the screen - Some people have large tablet and sometime they want to map a portion of the tablet to the monitor - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457703](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457703). Moreover the UI for mapping tablet area and its buttons is slightly inferior to the UI of the same functionality in X11 KCM. - Bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477750](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477750)\n
      - No way to create multiple profile of the tablet configuration, so that artist can choose different configuration like shortcuts , pen pressure etc for different workflow like inking a comic or doing vector art - Bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671)\n
      - No way to fine tune pressure curve of the tablet, various people draw with varying pressure some people draw with heavy hand some use light touch, configuring pressure curve helps artist to get nice lines. - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457705](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671)\n
      - Often graphic tablets have a touch strip or ring but on plasma wayland there is no way to assign shortcut to touch rings - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752)\n
      - Related to the above some tablets allow users to switch the modes of the touch ring for example you can click a button and change the mode from one set of shortcuts like scrolling to another set of shortcut like changing hue or zooming in and out. but this is not available in plasma wayland - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787)\n
      - Creative applications often have use of single modifier shortcuts, artists map this to their pen buttons for example holding ctrl to colour pick while painting but this is not possible on plasma wayland - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461259](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461259)\n
      - There is no way to calibrate a display tablet so that there is no wierd offset - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476982](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476982) this is in the works and there is an open [MR](https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/merge_requests/1833) by an awesome KDE contributor but it will probably be in 6.1\n
      - There is no way to switch between absolute and relative mode of the graphic tablet - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898)\n
      - There is no way to assign mouse click presses to pen button as shortcuts, For example you want to change the default and assign a different button on a pen to do middle mouse click to pan the canvas in krita it won’t accept middle mouse click as a shortcut- [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636)\n
      - The pointer for the graphic tablet is a cross in plasma wayland, it doesn’t even change to resize handle cursor or any other things depending on the context. So if you want to resize a window with your pen it will be troublesome to use this pointer. - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477570](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477570) I am not sure how this was gone unnoticed until now.\n
      \n
      I hope some kind volunteer developer notices these shortcomings which were possible earlier on X11 and are not possible on plasma Wayland and help us artists types who rely on these features to use and enjoy wayland like it is intended without worry. Some of these things were possible on X11 for a decade and yet wayland takes us back to square 1.
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          I’m not calling you a reactionary, just seen way too many people maintaining “this is fine” for issues that are anything but.\n
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          pipewire sucked *a lot* for the longest time, at least for several setups I know. but it got better and more dependable by getting forced onto users. if it had waited to be 100%, it wouldn’t ever be in production.\n
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          this is a “build the plane while flying it” situation, if the stress on the vanguard is not for you, then step back for a while and try again in a couple of months, you have options.
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    I have no direct experience with any pen related issues but kudos for taking the time to open all them reports. sooner or later, someone is going to tackle those issues. let’s hope it’s soon.\n
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    there’s a lot of things that need to be re-implemented in wayland and it currently sucks for a lot of people; but forcing change by pushing wayland onto the users is the only way forward, way too many people are comfortable with status quo.
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      While cutting edge testing distribution such as Fedora are going Wayland only and the proponents of such move say that this push is required to shake things out. I would like to highlight some of the things which are not there yet on the graphic tablet configuration front on plasma wayland. Although the basic support for the tablet is provided through libinput and those who are content with the default will have no issues, those who rely on configuring the tablet will have hard time on wayland.\n
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      I was told that fedora making this move will help us get up to speed and it will pressurize developers to fix broken and non implemented things in plasma wayland soon. But sadly I do not see this happening in the graphic tablet configuration side of things. Hope this post gets the attention from the developers and they pay some attention towards the needs of us less lucky people who do not know to code it ourselves.\n
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      I am not sure if these deficiencies will be fixed in plasma 6 release as most of them are marked as wish list or extra things. Thus making the transition from plasma 5 to plasma 6 a regression for people depending on these things. If you compare the current graphic tablet configuration section on X11 to that of plasma wayland you will understand what I am saying.\n
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      Graphic tablet support bugs\n
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      - No way to map a portion of the tablet are to the screen - Some people have large tablet and sometime they want to map a portion of the tablet to the monitor - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457703](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457703). Moreover the UI for mapping tablet area and its buttons is slightly inferior to the UI of the same functionality in X11 KCM. - Bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477750](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477750)\n
      - No way to create multiple profile of the tablet configuration, so that artist can choose different configuration like shortcuts , pen pressure etc for different workflow like inking a comic or doing vector art - Bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671)\n
      - No way to fine tune pressure curve of the tablet, various people draw with varying pressure some people draw with heavy hand some use light touch, configuring pressure curve helps artist to get nice lines. - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457705](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477671)\n
      - Often graphic tablets have a touch strip or ring but on plasma wayland there is no way to assign shortcut to touch rings - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752)\n
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      - There is no way to calibrate a display tablet so that there is no wierd offset - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476982](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=476982) this is in the works and there is an open [MR](https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-desktop/-/merge_requests/1833) by an awesome KDE contributor but it will probably be in 6.1\n
      - There is no way to switch between absolute and relative mode of the graphic tablet - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477898)\n
      - There is no way to assign mouse click presses to pen button as shortcuts, For example you want to change the default and assign a different button on a pen to do middle mouse click to pan the canvas in krita it won’t accept middle mouse click as a shortcut- [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636)\n
      - The pointer for the graphic tablet is a cross in plasma wayland, it doesn’t even change to resize handle cursor or any other things depending on the context. So if you want to resize a window with your pen it will be troublesome to use this pointer. - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477570](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477570) I am not sure how this was gone unnoticed until now.\n
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          I’m not calling you a reactionary, just seen way too many people maintaining “this is fine” for issues that are anything but.\n
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          pipewire sucked *a lot* for the longest time, at least for several setups I know. but it got better and more dependable by getting forced onto users. if it had waited to be 100%, it wouldn’t ever be in production.\n
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          this is a “build the plane while flying it” situation, if the stress on the vanguard is not for you, then step back for a while and try again in a couple of months, you have options.
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    I have no direct experience with any pen related issues but kudos for taking the time to open all them reports. sooner or later, someone is going to tackle those issues. let’s hope it’s soon.\n
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      While cutting edge testing distribution such as Fedora are going Wayland only and the proponents of such move say that this push is required to shake things out. I would like to highlight some of the things which are not there yet on the graphic tablet configuration front on plasma wayland. Although the basic support for the tablet is provided through libinput and those who are content with the default will have no issues, those who rely on configuring the tablet will have hard time on wayland.\n
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      I am not sure if these deficiencies will be fixed in plasma 6 release as most of them are marked as wish list or extra things. Thus making the transition from plasma 5 to plasma 6 a regression for people depending on these things. If you compare the current graphic tablet configuration section on X11 to that of plasma wayland you will understand what I am saying.\n
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      - There is no way to assign mouse click presses to pen button as shortcuts, For example you want to change the default and assign a different button on a pen to do middle mouse click to pan the canvas in krita it won’t accept middle mouse click as a shortcut- [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=457636)\n
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    I’m not calling you a reactionary, just seen way too many people maintaining “this is fine” for issues that are anything but.\n
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    pipewire sucked *a lot* for the longest time, at least for several setups I know. but it got better and more dependable by getting forced onto users. if it had waited to be 100%, it wouldn’t ever be in production.\n
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      While cutting edge testing distribution such as Fedora are going Wayland only and the proponents of such move say that this push is required to shake things out. I would like to highlight some of the things which are not there yet on the graphic tablet configuration front on plasma wayland. Although the basic support for the tablet is provided through libinput and those who are content with the default will have no issues, those who rely on configuring the tablet will have hard time on wayland.\n
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    I’m not calling you a reactionary, just seen way too many people maintaining “this is fine” for issues that are anything but.\n
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    pipewire sucked *a lot* for the longest time, at least for several setups I know. but it got better and more dependable by getting forced onto users. if it had waited to be 100%, it wouldn’t ever be in production.\n
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    this is a “build the plane while flying it” situation, if the stress on the vanguard is not for you, then step back for a while and try again in a couple of months, you have options.
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      While cutting edge testing distribution such as Fedora are going Wayland only and the proponents of such move say that this push is required to shake things out. I would like to highlight some of the things which are not there yet on the graphic tablet configuration front on plasma wayland. Although the basic support for the tablet is provided through libinput and those who are content with the default will have no issues, those who rely on configuring the tablet will have hard time on wayland.\n
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      - Often graphic tablets have a touch strip or ring but on plasma wayland there is no way to assign shortcut to touch rings - bug report - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477752)\n
      - Related to the above some tablets allow users to switch the modes of the touch ring for example you can click a button and change the mode from one set of shortcuts like scrolling to another set of shortcut like changing hue or zooming in and out. but this is not available in plasma wayland - [https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787](https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=477787)\n
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          I have no direct experience with any pen related issues but kudos for taking the time to open all them reports. sooner or later, someone is going to tackle those issues. let’s hope it’s soon.\n
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