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      +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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      +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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        The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
        \n
        Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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        Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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        [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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        The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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        Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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        > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
        \n
        Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
        \n
        There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
        \n
        Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
        \n
        > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
        \n
        Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
        \n
        > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
        \n
        Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
        \n
        - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
        - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
        - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
        \n
        and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
        \n
        - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
        - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
        - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
        - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
        - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
        - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
        - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
        - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
        - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
        \n
        and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
        \n
        - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
        - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
        - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
        \n
        Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
        """
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        > False equivalence.\n
        \n
        It’s not.\n
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        > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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        No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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        > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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        I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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        > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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        If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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        > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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        That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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        Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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        Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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      +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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        The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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        Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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        Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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        [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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        > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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        Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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        There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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        Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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        > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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        Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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        > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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        Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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        - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
        - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
        - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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        and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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        - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
        - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
        - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
        - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
        - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
        - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
        - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
        - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
        - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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        and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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        - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
        - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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        Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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        > False equivalence.\n
        \n
        It’s not.\n
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        > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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        No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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        > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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        I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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        > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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        If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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        > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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        That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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        > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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        Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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        Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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      +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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        The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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        Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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        Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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        [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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        The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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        Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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        > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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        Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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        There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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        Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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        > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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        Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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        > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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        Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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        - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
        - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
        - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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        and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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        - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
        - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
        - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
        - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
        - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
        - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
        - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
        - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
        - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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        and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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        - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
        - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
        - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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        Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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        > False equivalence.\n
        \n
        It’s not.\n
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        > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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        No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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        > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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        I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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        > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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        If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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        > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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        That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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        > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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        Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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        Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "Here’s an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
          \n
          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
          \n
          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
          \n
          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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    The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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    Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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    Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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    [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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    The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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    Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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    The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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    Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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    Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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    [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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    The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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    Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
          \n
          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
          \n
          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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    The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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    Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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    The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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    Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "😂"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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    > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
    \n
    Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
    \n
    There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
    \n
    Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
    \n
    > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
    \n
    Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
    \n
    > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
    \n
    Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
    \n
    - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
    - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
    - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
    \n
    and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
    \n
    - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
    - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
    - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
    - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
    - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
    - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
    - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
    - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
    - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
    \n
    and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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    - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
    - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
    - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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    Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          > False equivalence.\n
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          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "😂"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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    > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
    \n
    Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
    \n
    There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
    \n
    Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
    \n
    > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
    \n
    Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
    \n
    > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
    \n
    Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
    \n
    - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
    - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
    - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
    \n
    and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
    \n
    - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
    - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
    - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
    - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
    - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
    - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
    - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
    - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
    - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
    \n
    and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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    - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
    - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
    - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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    Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          > False equivalence.\n
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          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "😂"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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    > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
    \n
    Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
    \n
    There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
    \n
    Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
    \n
    > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
    \n
    Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
    \n
    > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
    \n
    Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
    \n
    - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
    - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
    - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
    \n
    and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
    \n
    - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
    - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
    - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
    - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
    - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
    - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
    - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
    - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
    - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
    \n
    and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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    - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
    - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
    - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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    Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
          \n
          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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    > False equivalence.\n
    \n
    It’s not.\n
    \n
    > Because Russia attacked them.\n
    \n
    No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
    \n
    > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
    \n
    I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
    \n
    > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
    \n
    If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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    > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
    \n
    That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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    > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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    Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
          \n
          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
          \n
          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
          \n
          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
          \n
          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
          \n
          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
          \n
          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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        +body: "Here’s an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit."
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    > False equivalence.\n
    \n
    It’s not.\n
    \n
    > Because Russia attacked them.\n
    \n
    No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
    \n
    > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
    \n
    I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
    \n
    > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
    \n
    If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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    > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
    \n
    That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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    > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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    Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
          \n
          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
          \n
          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
          \n
          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
          \n
          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
          \n
          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
          \n
          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
          \n
          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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    > False equivalence.\n
    \n
    It’s not.\n
    \n
    > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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    No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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    > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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    I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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    > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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    If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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    > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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    That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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    > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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    Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
          \n
          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
          \n
          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
          \n
          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "Here’s an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit."
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "Here’s an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
          \n
          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "Here’s an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit."
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
          \n
          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "Here’s an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
          \n
          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "Here’s an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
          \n
          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
          \n
          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
          \n
          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
          \n
          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
          \n
          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "Here’s an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
          \n
          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "Here’s an idea go sign up as a volunteer in Ukraine and fight yourself instead of cheering on for other people to die for you, you disgusting sack of shit."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
          \n
          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
          \n
          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
          \n
          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
          \n
          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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    Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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    Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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    Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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    Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
          \n
          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
          \n
          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
          \n
          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
          \n
          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
          \n
          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
          \n
          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
          \n
          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
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          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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        +body: "After two years, it’s pretty clear that the west is not capable of doing anything of the sort. All the west managed to achieve was to ensure that hundreds of thousands of people died, and that Ukraine lost large parts of its territory in the process. We now have admissions from Ukrainian negotiators that a peace deal was close to being reached last March before the west sabotaged it."
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        +body: "NATO is an aggressive alliance that has invaded and destroyed numerous countries. The fact that you keep pretending that it’s a defensive alliance just shows how utterly dishonest you are."
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          The actual truth is that it’s NATO that’s been constantly expanding towards Russia. It’s also NATO that’s been invading and destroying countries since the end of USSR. Syria, Libya, and Yugoslavia being some prominent examples.\n
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          Meanwhile, Russia tried to resolve this situation diplomatically since 2008 with Minsk agreements that western leaders now openly admit were a delaying tactic by the west.\n
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          Finally, section IX of Ukraine’s 1990 Declaration of State Sovereignty states the following:\n
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          [The Ukrainian SSR solemnly declares its intention of becoming a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs and adheres to three nuclear free principles: to accept, to produce and to purchase no nuclear weapons.](https://web.archive.org/web/20130615031823/https://static.rada.gov.ua/site/postanova_eng/Declaration_of_State_Sovereignty_of_Ukraine_rev1.htm)\n
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          The whole legal basis for the existence of state of Ukraine is predicated on Ukraine staying neutral and not joining military blocs. Ukraine broke the very basis of this agreement when it tried to join NATO.\n
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          Now, thanks to western “help”, Ukraine will lose far more territory than it would have if the deal was done last year, and it may even cease to exist as a state. I can’t wait for you to explain how this actually helps people of Ukraine.
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          > Russian propaganda talking point.\n
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          Ah yes, Russian propaganda point as reported by CNN back in 2014 [twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296](https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296)\n
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          There’s even an hour long documentary from France on this [www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs)\n
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          Pretending this just didn’t happen is the height of intellectual dishonesty.\n
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          > Euromaidan was not a coup.\n
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          Yes, it was and there’s overwhelming evidence for it.\n
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          > Cite sources for the first point and military strategy analysts for the second.\n
          \n
          Are you just incapable of using google, I guess that would explain why you believe in nonsense. Here you go. First of all Russian economy is now rapidly growing while the west is going into a recession. This is not a country that’s showing any signs of being exhausted:\n
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          - [newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-op…](https://www.newsweek.com/how-russia-won-sanctions-war-west-opinion-1861645)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russias-q3-gdp-growth-confirmed-55-rosstat-2023-12-13/)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/russian-factory-activity-expands-fa…](https://www.reuters.com/markets/europe/russian-factory-activity-expands-fastest-pace-seven-years-dec-pmi-2023-12-29/)\n
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          and here’s some recent mainstream media reporting on the state of the war for you to chew on\n
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          - [www.nytimes.com/2024/…/ukraine-russia-war.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/13/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)\n
          - [reuters.com/…/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defen…](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/time-diplomacy-ukraine-italys-defence-minister-says-2024-01-10/)\n
          - [lepoint.fr/…/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d…](https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/dans-l-est-de-l-ukraine-l-angoisse-d-une-debacle-05-01-2024-2549049_24.php)\n
          - [lemonde.fr/…/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-ex…](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/27/ukrainian-soldiers-trained-abroad-express-discontent-i-repeatedly-told-them-nato-manuals-didn-t-apply_6140349_4.html)\n
          - [spiegel.de/…/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-…](https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ukraine-krieg-kiews-problem-mit-den-deutschen-pannen-panzern-a-cd9421ae-4a96-4d4f-983a-6205a063ae15)\n
          - [archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73](https://archive.is/8FXrT#selection-391.0-391.73)\n
          - [telegraph.co.uk/…/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-…](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/27/russia-electronic-warfare-turn-tide-war-ukraine/)\n
          - [www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/…/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/29/europe/ukraine-war-victory-hopes-dim-intl/index.html)\n
          - [cbc.ca/…/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232](https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ukraine-russia-congress-europe-1.7067232)\n
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          and here’s some analysis from military strategists for you\n
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          - [www.russiamatters.org/…/whats-ahead-war-ukraine](https://www.russiamatters.org/analysis/whats-ahead-war-ukraine)\n
          - […substack.com/…/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukra…](https://mearsheimer.substack.com/p/the-darkness-ahead-where-the-ukraine)\n
          - [rusi.org/…/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challeng…](https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/russias-artillery-war-ukraine-challenges-and-innovations)\n
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          Russia will win this war, and the only thing the west has achieved was to help destroy Ukraine by sabotaging negotiations in 2022.
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          > False equivalence.\n
          \n
          It’s not.\n
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          > Because Russia attacked them.\n
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          No, Ukraine has been engaged in atrocities in Donbas since 2014 as even western media reported at the time.\n
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          > It is in fact the opposite. No neutral country stays that way for long when Russia wants it’s territory.\n
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          I see you have problems with reading comprehension.\n
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          > If the West had not helped, there would be no Ukraine either. We would be condemning them to a decade of guerilla warfare and oppression. Emboldened by his victory, Putin would look further west.\n
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          If the west didn’t run a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government then there would’ve been no troubles in Ukraine. Period.\n
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          > Ukrainians now fight Russia, both sides are getting exhausted and it all depends on what help Ukraine gets. Your magical peace treaty would just mean Russia trying this again in 5 years or less.\n
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          That’s complete and utter nonsense, and even western media now admits this.\n
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          > You could have used the same arguments to make peace with the Nazis in 1941 and the world would only be worse for it.\n
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          Now that’s what actual false equivalence looks like.
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        +body: "Share a source for NATO invading Yugoslavia, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan, is that what you’re asking there little buddy?"
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        +body: "No, I’m saying that anybody can type in words NATO and Yugoslavia or NATO and Libya into Google and see that you’re a liar."
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        +body: "Do you perhaps make bad faith arguments when you have nothing of value to add to the discussion?"
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          Russian economy is growing while the west is going into a recession. [Russian factory activity grows at fastest pace in over six years](https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-factory-activity-grows-fastest-pace-over-six-years-sept-pmi-2023-10-02/), meanwhile [while US manufacturing activity shrinks the most in three years.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-07-03/us-manufacturing-activity-shrinks-by-most-in-three-years). UK now [can’t even make steel from raw materials.](https://www.theguardian.com/business/2024/jan/18/tata-steel-to-shut-down-port-talbot-blast-furnaces-3000-jobs-at-risk)\n
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          Yes, people still bleat about a weaker Russia. 🤡
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