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    > The various interpretations help in processing the math\n
    \n
    In the same sense that the territory helps in processing the map, I suppose.\n
    \n
    > but isn’t the same as understanding - there are a bunch of fundamental facts about quantum mechanics that we just don’t understand, even though we know the elements exist, that they happen, and even how we can take advantage of them.\n
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    I’m not sure what you mean here; discussions of interpretation are literally about understanding these facts.\n
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    > The difference between quantum mechanics and other high level theories like relativity is actually quite large, because the higher level interactions all derive from quantum level states and interactions. At the point where question marks really start popping up (weak and strong nuclear forces, gravity, dark matter &/ energy) it’s almost always a matter of quantum mechanics getting involved and being weird.\n
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    Going to have to disagree with you here, relativity, both special and general, get just as weird without any need to invoke quantum physics. And they’re not the only one. The only difference is that we have a general consensus on how to interpret them, which we don’t with QM.\n
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    > My quantum mechanics professor started our first lecture with “if you think you understand quantum mechanics you do not understand quantum mechanics”, because there are still some really big question marks around our understanding of it. Especially what in the fuck spin actually is.\n
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    I think this is equivocating a bit; there is a difference between the things we don’t understand about quantum physics, and the things we just straight up don’t *know*. I think it’s possible to understand quantum physics, with the caveat that understanding means recognizing that there are things about it that we simply do not know.
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