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Access Decision

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# Voter class
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2 DENIED moderate 
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    Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
    \n
    Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet & Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.\n
    \n
    Edit: It’s not a nostalgia thing. The quality of the PS2 platformers was actually better. Even ones I discovered recently that exist on PS2 or that I hadn’t played before. If I compare them side by side with modern 3D platformers, they look like s*** compared to the PS2 ones. And case in point, there are literally no open world 3rd person shooter-3D platformers with detailed worlds/graphics outside of PS2 (that I know of) and those are the kinds of 3D platformers I enjoy most… give me an example to prove me wrong. Ok technically I know of a few examples which meet some but not all of this criteria (only because I’ve looked far and wide for them) but they’re very basic and nowhere near as intricate as these games.
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        Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
        \n
        Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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        let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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        <https://libreddit.kylrth.com/img/ad57oxhe2pfa1.png>\n
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        I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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      +body: "So...you grew up with Ps2 is what i'm hearing."
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      +body: """
        I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
        \n
        Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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        OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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        How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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      +body: "?? That doesn't make a game good. That's just artistic *choice*"
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      +body: """
        You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
        \n
        From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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        Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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        Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
        \n
        Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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        But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
        \n
        edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
        \n
        Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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        3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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        Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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    Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet &amp; Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.\n
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        Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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        Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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        let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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        I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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        Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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        How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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        You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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        From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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        Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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        Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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        Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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        But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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        edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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        Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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        3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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        Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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    Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet &amp; Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.\n
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        Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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        Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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        let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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        I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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        I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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        Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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        OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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        How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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        You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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        From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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        Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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        Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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        Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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    Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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    let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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    <https://libreddit.kylrth.com/img/ad57oxhe2pfa1.png>\n
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    I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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    Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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    let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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    <https://libreddit.kylrth.com/img/ad57oxhe2pfa1.png>\n
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    I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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          But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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    Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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    let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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    I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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      Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet &amp; Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          <https://libreddit.kylrth.com/img/ad57oxhe2pfa1.png>\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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          But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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          edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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      Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet &amp; Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          <https://libreddit.kylrth.com/img/ad57oxhe2pfa1.png>\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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    Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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    OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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    How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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      Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet &amp; Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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    Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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    OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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    How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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    Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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    OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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    How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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          edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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      Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet &amp; Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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      Also, why are there no 3rd person shooter/3D platformer hybrids aside from Ratchet &amp; Clank / Jak series? This seems like an untapped genre hybridisation that works well together. Like literally why is no one making games like this. I would love some examples of 3rd person shooter platformers to prove me wrong again.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          <https://libreddit.kylrth.com/img/ad57oxhe2pfa1.png>\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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          But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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          edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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    From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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    Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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    Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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    But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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    Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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    From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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    Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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    Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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    Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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    But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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    edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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    Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          <https://libreddit.kylrth.com/img/ad57oxhe2pfa1.png>\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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          Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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    You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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    From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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    Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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    Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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    Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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    But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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    edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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    Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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    3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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    Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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        +body: "?? That doesn't make a game good. That's just artistic *choice*"
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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          But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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          edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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    3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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    Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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      Please prove me wrong and suggest me some modern ones that stand up to the older ones.\n
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          Can't really work with this without examples. I don't think 3D platformer quality went down but I also think it's always been all over the place.\n
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          Like Hat in Time wasn't that long ago.\n
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          let's see...got a picture of "3D platformers in past 10 years"\n
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          <https://libreddit.kylrth.com/img/ad57oxhe2pfa1.png>\n
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          I'm looking at it and honestly I need examples as to where you think Ps2 beat out this list so blatantly that there's a clear issue.
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          I mean, I won't say everything is better, but it's not exactly as bad as you're saying either.\n
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          Sure, 1000s of games are bad. 1000s of games were bad in the 90s and 2000s too. Bugsby 3D was allowed to exist.\n
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          OP isn't even able to say games back in the day were good as he has already bashed N64 and Gamecube (lame move btw, Goemon's Great Adventure I still play every year). He's very much just thinking of PS2.\n
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          How many people have missed out on Hat In time exactly?
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        +body: "?? That doesn't make a game good. That's just artistic *choice*"
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          You're...just objectively wrong then. A Hat in Time was one of the best platformers released in the past 10 years, and even if *you* don't like it you can't base the entire genre on your own opinion.\n
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          From what i'm gathering your issue is less that the genre is bad and more that there aren't a lot of "dark, gritty, realistic" platformers...which...there *never* was.\n
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          Like unless PS2 somehow had literally *all* of them *you haven't given examples other than ratchet and clank) You got Sonic and Mario in early 3D, Banjo Kazooie and DK 64 at the peak of early 3D, conker's bad fur day which is dark but also *extremely* cartoony...\n
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          Then you got platformers like Okami which again...cartoony. Goemon's 3D platformers and thats all cartoon\n
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          Like I'm basically trying to say more games in the platformer genre were cartoony than not throughout 3D platformer history and *we need more examples of what you really mean*\n
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          But like you're basically making a claim the entire genre currently is bad over an opinion of something that was never really that common to begin with.\n
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          edit: I even tried looking up platformers on PS2 and was greeted with Sly2, Rayman (did that have a 3d platformer?), psyconauts, Spongebob: BFBB\n
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          Like great games yeah, but the thing you're basing the entire topic on really seems to be a minority if your issue is a particular art style....
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    3rd person shooters are *already* a small niche and that's without even including platformer!\n
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    Nobody can figure out what you're saying because you're associating "good" with a *subgenre of a subgenre*
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