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Response
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Security

Token

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Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
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  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
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Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
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}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
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  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
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  -options: [
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}
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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
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2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
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4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED moderate 
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        The joke is the dictator man looks like Winnie the Pooh (but more importantly is offended by it). The fact Winnie the Pooh is yellow is incidental but unfortunately makes the joke appetising to racists too. It doesn’t mean everyone that jokes about Xi Jinping being Winnie the Pooh means everyone is using it as a racist stand-in.\n
        \n
        Before someone points out that it *started* as a racist meme - if that is true (which I have no idea), it doesn’t change much. Most people making the joke are oblivious to the racism element.\n
        \n
        Now, it’s a perfectly valid point to make about it being a racist charicature. The trouble is most people don’t separate the nuance with “Criticise & laugh at the dictator man all you like, just please don’t propogate a racist stereotype.” and so instead it looks like they’re just defending a dictator.\n
        \n
        And… well, I don’t really need to explain why people defending dictators are going to get ignored, do I?
        """
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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2 DENIED moderate 
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        The joke is the dictator man looks like Winnie the Pooh (but more importantly is offended by it). The fact Winnie the Pooh is yellow is incidental but unfortunately makes the joke appetising to racists too. It doesn’t mean everyone that jokes about Xi Jinping being Winnie the Pooh means everyone is using it as a racist stand-in.\n
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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Show voter details
3 DENIED ROLE_USER 
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
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    The joke is the dictator man looks like Winnie the Pooh (but more importantly is offended by it). The fact Winnie the Pooh is yellow is incidental but unfortunately makes the joke appetising to racists too. It doesn’t mean everyone that jokes about Xi Jinping being Winnie the Pooh means everyone is using it as a racist stand-in.\n
    \n
    Before someone points out that it *started* as a racist meme - if that is true (which I have no idea), it doesn’t change much. Most people making the joke are oblivious to the racism element.\n
    \n
    Now, it’s a perfectly valid point to make about it being a racist charicature. The trouble is most people don’t separate the nuance with “Criticise & laugh at the dictator man all you like, just please don’t propogate a racist stereotype.” and so instead it looks like they’re just defending a dictator.\n
    \n
    And… well, I don’t really need to explain why people defending dictators are going to get ignored, do I?
    """
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        I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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        > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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        So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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        > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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        That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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        > against progress\n
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        Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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        People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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        If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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        I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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        That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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        I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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        Conspiratorial? What?\n
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        Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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        But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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        If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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        I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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        As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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        > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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        So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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        > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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        That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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        > against progress\n
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        Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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        People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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        If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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        I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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        That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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        I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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        Conspiratorial? What?\n
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        Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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        But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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        If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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        I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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        Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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        As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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        > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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        So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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        > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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        That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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        > against progress\n
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        Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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        People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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        If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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        I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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        That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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        I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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        Conspiratorial? What?\n
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        Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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        But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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        If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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    Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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    Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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    Don’t mistake delegation for subordination.
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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          > against progress\n
          \n
          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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    Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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    Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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    Don’t mistake delegation for subordination.
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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    Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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          As for the ‘AI bro’ thing - I haven’t run in to this, but yes it does sound like the ones that don’t want to share their prompts are insecure. It’s very normal for most artists to share their media and techniques with their piece; most AI art I’ve seen, particularly the better more interesting stuff, the person has shared their prompts and the models they’ve used.p
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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    I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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    Edit:\n
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    I just realised you may be conflating my argument here about what constitutes as ‘art’ with artists making a case they’ve been ripped off because LLMs have been trained on their work.\n
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    Those are two different topics.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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    I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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    Edit:\n
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    Those are two different topics.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          Don’t mistake delegation for subordination.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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    I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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    So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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    > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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    That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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    As for the ‘AI bro’ thing - I haven’t run in to this, but yes it does sound like the ones that don’t want to share their prompts are insecure. It’s very normal for most artists to share their media and techniques with their piece; most AI art I’ve seen, particularly the better more interesting stuff, the person has shared their prompts and the models they’ve used.p
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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    So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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    > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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    That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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    As for the ‘AI bro’ thing - I haven’t run in to this, but yes it does sound like the ones that don’t want to share their prompts are insecure. It’s very normal for most artists to share their media and techniques with their piece; most AI art I’ve seen, particularly the better more interesting stuff, the person has shared their prompts and the models they’ve used.p
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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    So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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    > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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    That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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    As for the ‘AI bro’ thing - I haven’t run in to this, but yes it does sound like the ones that don’t want to share their prompts are insecure. It’s very normal for most artists to share their media and techniques with their piece; most AI art I’ve seen, particularly the better more interesting stuff, the person has shared their prompts and the models they’ve used.p
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          Don’t mistake delegation for subordination.
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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          As for the ‘AI bro’ thing - I haven’t run in to this, but yes it does sound like the ones that don’t want to share their prompts are insecure. It’s very normal for most artists to share their media and techniques with their piece; most AI art I’ve seen, particularly the better more interesting stuff, the person has shared their prompts and the models they’ve used.p
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          Don’t mistake delegation for subordination.
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          I just realised you may be conflating my argument here about what constitutes as ‘art’ with artists making a case they’ve been ripped off because LLMs have been trained on their work.\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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          As for the ‘AI bro’ thing - I haven’t run in to this, but yes it does sound like the ones that don’t want to share their prompts are insecure. It’s very normal for most artists to share their media and techniques with their piece; most AI art I’ve seen, particularly the better more interesting stuff, the person has shared their prompts and the models they’ve used.p
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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    > against progress\n
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    Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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    People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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    If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    > against progress\n
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    Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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    People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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    If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    > against progress\n
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    Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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    That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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    I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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    That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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    I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Edit:\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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    I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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    That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    Conspiratorial? What?\n
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    Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          That’s not contentious, in the sense of you won’t come up with any *interesting* art. My toddler’s scribble on a page isn’t interesting art either, but it’s still art.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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    Conspiratorial? What?\n
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    Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Edit:\n
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          I just realised you may be conflating my argument here about what constitutes as ‘art’ with artists making a case they’ve been ripped off because LLMs have been trained on their work.\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          I imagine similar complaints were made when photoshop first started to rise in popularity and use.
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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    Conspiratorial? What?\n
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    Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Edit:\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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          But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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          If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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    But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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    If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          If you’re not conflating my argument, then you are either being really fucking stupid or deliberately trolling. In either case, I’m done wasting my time on you.
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          That’s not to say it is equivalent in terms of skill required to oil paint, for example. But it really does stink of being obstinately against change for no reason other than it being change.\n
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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    But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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    If you’re making an argument that humans are tending towards being *less* creative, then I’d need to see some evidence to support that assertion. Because from my perspective we get more creative the more free time we have.
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          I think this is quite a hyperbolic analysis.\n
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          Yeah, good quality handwriting is less prevalent now than it has been in the past - but that’s not because of a loss of artistry, but because that mode of written communication is less important. But there are still plenty of calligraphy artists out there, and are perhaps more highly prized now than they were before.\n
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          Human creativity doesn’t stop, we just progress to new tools when the previous ones can be automated. And yet, even then, we still have people that go back to use the old tools for the simple joy of using them.\n
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          As I said, I can’t fix your confirmation bias.\n
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          I wasn’t pointing to a conspiracy, merely the fact that the criticism voiced so far doesn’t have any substance to it other than ‘I don’t like it’ and therefore is likely because it’s *new* and *different*.\n
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          Those are two different topics.
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          > But I’ve yet to see something wwrthwhile.\n
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          So, you don’t like the art you’ve seen made with AI. That’s fine. Art is subjective; just because you don’t like a medium doesn’t mean it’s not creative. There are plenty of mediums and styles I don’t personally like either.\n
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          > If you think that AI is a shortcut to replace a creative idea, you will *not* be able to get any art from it.\n
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          > against progress\n
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          Who? Artists, generally or those upset that AI/LLMs have been taught from their work? Not what I’m implying at all, as already highlighted extensively.\n
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          People criticising AI/LLM art as ‘not art/not creative’? Yes.\n
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          I don’t think that’s true. It’s just another tool. Using it to get a good result takes more skill, practice, and patience than using it to get an okay result.\n
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          Conspiratorial? What?\n
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          Large Language Models cannot be genuinely creative; I agree. The people using them can. Why is that disagreeable?
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    But by delegating stuff we free up our time for other things.\n
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