GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/u/@maegul@lemmy.ml

Response
200 OK
IP
18.191.168.8
Profiled on
Token
acc7c0

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
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Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
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  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
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Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.08 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
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  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
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  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2182 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2907 …}
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    What is Lemmy?\n
    --------------\n
    \n
    Lemmy is a self-hosted social link aggregation and discussion platform. It is completely free and open, and not controlled by any company. This means that there is no advertising, tracking, or secret algorithms. Content is organized into communities, so it is easy to subscribe to topics that you are interested in, and ignore others. Voting is used to bring the most interesting items to the top.\n
    \n
    Major Changes\n
    -------------\n
    \n
    - Outgoing federation bug fixes.\n
    - Lemmy can now receive reports sent from Mastodon and Kbin.\n
    - Added the ability for admins to view votes, to prevent downvote trolling. [Demo](https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/pull/2303). #4088\n
    - Various bug fixes and minor enhancements.\n
    \n
    Upgrade instructions\n
    --------------------\n
    \n
    Follow the upgrade instructions for [ansible](https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible#upgrading) or [docker](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/administration/install_docker.html#updating).\n
    \n
    If you need help with the upgrade, you can ask in our [support forum](https://lemmy.ml/c/lemmy_support) or on the [Matrix Chat](https://matrix.to/#/!OwmdVYiZSXrXbtCNLw:matrix.org).\n
    \n
    Thanks to everyone\n
    ------------------\n
    \n
    We’d like to thank our many contributors and users of Lemmy for coding, translating, testing, and helping find and fix bugs. We’re glad many people find it useful and enjoyable enough to contribute.\n
    \n
    Support development\n
    -------------------\n
    \n
    We (@dessalines and @nutomic) have been working full-time on Lemmy for over three years. This is largely thanks to support from [NLnet foundation](https://nlnet.nl/), as well as [donations from individual users](https://join-lemmy.org/donate).\n
    \n
    If you like using Lemmy, and want to make sure that we will always be available to work full time building it, consider [donating to support its development](https://join-lemmy.org/donate). A recurring donation is the best way to ensure that open-source software like Lemmy can stay independent and alive.\n
    \n
    - [Liberapay](https://liberapay.com/Lemmy) (preferred option)\n
    - [Open Collective](https://opencollective.com/lemmy)\n
    - [Patreon](https://www.patreon.com/dessalines)\n
    - [Cryptocurrency](https://join-lemmy.org/donate) (scroll to bottom of page)
    """
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  +lang: "en"
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  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 25
  +favouriteCount: 169
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
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  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2927 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2925 …}
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        date: 2024-01-11 04:08:03.0 +01:00
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      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
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      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2183 …}
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      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
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      +apId: "https://lemmy.ml/comment/7245602"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704942483 {#2180
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  +editedAt: null
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
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3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2181
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2689 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2182 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2907 …}
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  +title: "Lemmy v0.19.2 Release - More federation fixes"
  +url: "https://join-lemmy.org/news/2024-01-10_-_Lemmy_Release_v0.19.2_-_More_Federation_Fixes"
  +body: """
    What is Lemmy?\n
    --------------\n
    \n
    Lemmy is a self-hosted social link aggregation and discussion platform. It is completely free and open, and not controlled by any company. This means that there is no advertising, tracking, or secret algorithms. Content is organized into communities, so it is easy to subscribe to topics that you are interested in, and ignore others. Voting is used to bring the most interesting items to the top.\n
    \n
    Major Changes\n
    -------------\n
    \n
    - Outgoing federation bug fixes.\n
    - Lemmy can now receive reports sent from Mastodon and Kbin.\n
    - Added the ability for admins to view votes, to prevent downvote trolling. [Demo](https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ui/pull/2303). #4088\n
    - Various bug fixes and minor enhancements.\n
    \n
    Upgrade instructions\n
    --------------------\n
    \n
    Follow the upgrade instructions for [ansible](https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy-ansible#upgrading) or [docker](https://join-lemmy.org/docs/en/administration/install_docker.html#updating).\n
    \n
    If you need help with the upgrade, you can ask in our [support forum](https://lemmy.ml/c/lemmy_support) or on the [Matrix Chat](https://matrix.to/#/!OwmdVYiZSXrXbtCNLw:matrix.org).\n
    \n
    Thanks to everyone\n
    ------------------\n
    \n
    We’d like to thank our many contributors and users of Lemmy for coding, translating, testing, and helping find and fix bugs. We’re glad many people find it useful and enjoyable enough to contribute.\n
    \n
    Support development\n
    -------------------\n
    \n
    We (@dessalines and @nutomic) have been working full-time on Lemmy for over three years. This is largely thanks to support from [NLnet foundation](https://nlnet.nl/), as well as [donations from individual users](https://join-lemmy.org/donate).\n
    \n
    If you like using Lemmy, and want to make sure that we will always be available to work full time building it, consider [donating to support its development](https://join-lemmy.org/donate). A recurring donation is the best way to ensure that open-source software like Lemmy can stay independent and alive.\n
    \n
    - [Liberapay](https://liberapay.com/Lemmy) (preferred option)\n
    - [Open Collective](https://opencollective.com/lemmy)\n
    - [Patreon](https://www.patreon.com/dessalines)\n
    - [Cryptocurrency](https://join-lemmy.org/donate) (scroll to bottom of page)
    """
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 25
  +favouriteCount: 169
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1722559872 {#2168
    date: 2024-08-02 02:51:12.0 +02:00
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  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: [
    "@dessalines"
    "@nutomic"
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  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2930 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2931 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2932 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2937 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2927 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2925 …}
  +children: [
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2181 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2182 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2171 …}
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      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
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      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704942483 {#2180
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      \n
      If you like using Lemmy, and want to make sure that we will always be available to work full time building it, consider [donating to support its development](https://join-lemmy.org/donate). A recurring donation is the best way to ensure that open-source software like Lemmy can stay independent and alive.\n
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      - [Liberapay](https://liberapay.com/Lemmy) (preferred option)\n
      - [Open Collective](https://opencollective.com/lemmy)\n
      - [Patreon](https://www.patreon.com/dessalines)\n
      - [Cryptocurrency](https://join-lemmy.org/donate) (scroll to bottom of page)
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      - [Open Collective](https://opencollective.com/lemmy)\n
      - [Patreon](https://www.patreon.com/dessalines)\n
      - [Cryptocurrency](https://join-lemmy.org/donate) (scroll to bottom of page)
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        So I got curious and did a little digging (and from what I’ve seen this comment/post may be removed by the mod?).\n
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        Awesome!!\n
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        well, I won’t share any details out of respect for their deletion.\n
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          Awesome!!\n
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    So I got curious and did a little digging (and from what I’ve seen this comment/post may be removed by the mod?).\n
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    From what I can tell this comment is most of the story: [lemmy.world/comment/6413246](https://lemmy.world/comment/6413246)\n
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    And it has lead to the creation of this community ([lemmy.world/c/tenforward](https://lemmy.world/c/tenforward)) … on which see this welcome message ([lemmy.world/post/10461985](https://lemmy.world/post/10461985)) from @Stamets@lemmy.world who used to be a regular poster here and is the author of comment above.\n
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          Awesome!!\n
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          Sorry for linking to a comment of yours. It’s always tricky territory whether it’s polite or impolite to do so, especially if it’s clearly a heated situation/topic. I tagged you because that’s the only etiquette I’ve picked up about this sort of thing.
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          well, I won’t share any details out of respect for their deletion.\n
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    So I got curious and did a little digging (and from what I’ve seen this comment/post may be removed by the mod?).\n
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    From what I can tell this comment is most of the story: [lemmy.world/comment/6413246](https://lemmy.world/comment/6413246)\n
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    And it has lead to the creation of this community ([lemmy.world/c/tenforward](https://lemmy.world/c/tenforward)) … on which see this welcome message ([lemmy.world/post/10461985](https://lemmy.world/post/10461985)) from @Stamets@lemmy.world who used to be a regular poster here and is the author of comment above.\n
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      Title pretty much. Some days ago I noticed several of the frequent posters that made this community so enjoyable and lively have left and stopped posting here, supposedly due to some behind the scenes drama.\n
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      What happened? This community used to be the best thing about Lemmy.
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          Awesome!!\n
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          well, I won’t share any details out of respect for their deletion.\n
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      Title pretty much. Some days ago I noticed several of the frequent posters that made this community so enjoyable and lively have left and stopped posting here, supposedly due to some behind the scenes drama.\n
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    Awesome!!\n
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      Title pretty much. Some days ago I noticed several of the frequent posters that made this community so enjoyable and lively have left and stopped posting here, supposedly due to some behind the scenes drama.\n
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        I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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        In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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        And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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        If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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        I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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        Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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        A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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        In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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        > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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        Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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        A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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        there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
        \n
        And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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        And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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        I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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        As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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        Yea for sure …\n
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        I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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        We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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        These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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    I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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    Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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        I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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        In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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        And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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        If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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        I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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        Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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        A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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        In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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        > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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        Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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        A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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        there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
        \n
        And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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        And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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        I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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        As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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        Yea for sure …\n
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        I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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        We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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        These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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    I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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    Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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    Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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        I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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        In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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        And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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        If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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        I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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        Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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        A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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        In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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        The useful part would be that you could meet people/accounts in private spaces and then see the same person/account in public too, which should only foster community creation through personal connections and discovery.\n
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        Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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        > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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        Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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        A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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        there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
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        And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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        And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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        I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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        As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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        Yea for sure …\n
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        I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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        We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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        These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
          \n
          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
          \n
          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
          \n
          I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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          As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
    \n
    In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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    And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
    \n
    If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
    \n
    I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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    Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
      \n
      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
      \n
      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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          Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
          \n
          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
          \n
          I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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          As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
    \n
    In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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    And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
    \n
    If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
    \n
    I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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    Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
      \n
      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
      \n
      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
          \n
          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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    I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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    In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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    And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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    If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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    I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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    Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
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          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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    In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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    The useful part would be that you could meet people/accounts in private spaces and then see the same person/account in public too, which should only foster community creation through personal connections and discovery.\n
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    Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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          If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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          I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
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          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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    In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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    The useful part would be that you could meet people/accounts in private spaces and then see the same person/account in public too, which should only foster community creation through personal connections and discovery.\n
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    Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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          If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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          I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
          \n
          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
          \n
          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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    In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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    The useful part would be that you could meet people/accounts in private spaces and then see the same person/account in public too, which should only foster community creation through personal connections and discovery.\n
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    Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
      \n
      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
          \n
          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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    Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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    A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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          If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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          I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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          Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
          \n
          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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    Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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    A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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          If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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          I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
          \n
          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
          \n
          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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          As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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    Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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    A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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      Let’s go back to the holiday meals for a moment and imagine having an **open** invitation for **anyone** to join. What do you think the outcomes would be?\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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          Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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          The useful part would be that you could meet people/accounts in private spaces and then see the same person/account in public too, which should only foster community creation through personal connections and discovery.\n
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          Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
    \n
    And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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    And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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    I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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    As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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          If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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          I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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          Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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          The useful part would be that you could meet people/accounts in private spaces and then see the same person/account in public too, which should only foster community creation through personal connections and discovery.\n
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          Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
    \n
    And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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    And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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    I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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    As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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          I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          In the case of lemmy, I can imagine private communities being rather useful and pleasant. That is, communities visible only by people who are members or who have subscribed, with membership being optionally open or closed to being invite only or requiring approval or something similar. Having both federated and local-only versions of these would also probably be nice.\n
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          The useful part would be that you could meet people/accounts in private spaces and then see the same person/account in public too, which should only foster community creation through personal connections and discovery.\n
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          Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          Yea for sure …\n
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          I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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          We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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          These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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    there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
    \n
    And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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    And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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    I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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    As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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      Let’s go back to the holiday meals for a moment and imagine having an **open** invitation for **anyone** to join. What do you think the outcomes would be?\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
          \n
          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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          As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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    Yea for sure …\n
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    I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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    We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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    These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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          If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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          I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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          Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          Then, whenever people need a quieter and more private space for a particular conversation or topic, they can take discussion out from the public and shield it in private. While you might argue that this would stifle discussion (and I see your point), I think there’s a relatively natural equilibrium between our needs for public and noisy engagement and quiet/safe/private interactions. I think people would naturally move between these spaces as they need.
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
          \n
          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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          As a contrast, misskey and its forks such as firefish, catodon, iceshrimp etc (and yea, these names are a *choice*, in a good way I think), actually provide local only groups and people like them.
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    Yea for sure …\n
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    I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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    We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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    These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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      Over the years I’ve been trying to encapsulate, as simply as possible, what Beehaw interactions would look like ideally.\n
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      I kept coming back to all of my personal memories having holiday meals (Thanksgiving and Christmas for example) with very close family and friends.\n
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      Thinking back through decades of these meetings, I cannot remember anything but everyone being kind and charitable in action as well as speech.\n
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      Many pages of very thoughtful and reasonable philosophic explanations have been written, on our sidebar, about the behavioral expectations of Beehaw.\n
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          I feel like lots of thinking like this or adjacent to this is going on around the fediverse, and part of the problem we’re all encountering is that many or even most of us don’t really understand this “design space” of homely/kind/safe/wholesome/fulfilling online placed particularly well. And so we’re either reaching for established models (reddit/twitter etc) or expecting too much of new technologies (decentralisation and federation).\n
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          In the case of holiday meals and beehaw, while reading your post, my immediate thought was how it’s simultaneously a fantastic metaphor and an inapplicable one for social media. A holiday meal, I’d say, is defined by its rarity and specificity. Once a year, family members and close friends gather together for the purpose of being together. I don’t see that mapping onto online social media … like at all … however desirable that demeanor and vibe is desirable.\n
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          And while being kind and open etc is obviously a good aim for a social media space, so long as it is *social media*, which means open ended discussions/topics, (relatively) open membership, relative anonymity, constant activity, and, let’s be honest, some expectation of providing some form entertainment to lurkers … the personal bonds and purpose of a holiday meal just can’t exist. Which is a problem, IMO, that goes beyond ActivityPub, because the moment you make a social media space more closed or exclusive while trying to still be a form of social media, it will become quieter, duller and less compelling to users (for better or worse) and eventually fall into relative disuse and so seem to fail at *social media*.\n
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          If you then want to recast social media, you then, IMO, need to think a lot about formats, UIs, media types and framing and how people are presented and interact … like to a large extent … because this whole “sending text messages to each other in a public space” can only go so far (which is a big problem I personally have with the fediverse).\n
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          I say this not to dismiss your and Beehaw’s goals … but really just to say … “that’s great, but underestimating how hard this stuff can be would not serve you or beehaw well IMO”.\n
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          Hope it goes well though and will be curious to see what happens to beehaw!
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          A big general problem I have with the fediverse (as do others I’ve spoken to) is that it affords not real capacity to foster both private and public spaces with good and convenient means of moving and connecting with people between them. From the lack of truly private DMs, to no private group chats or local only spaces … the whole idea of private spaces for when people want them seems to be absent from the fediverse creators and it’s a significant gap IMO.\n
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          > Sounds like you want forums, basically :D\n
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          Not really. I prefer the Reddit like format, like you, and see it as a superior substitute for flatter forums.\n
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          A private community operating alongside public communities is what I’m talking about and I think that’s a different breast.
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          there are and have been conversations around the fediverse about this very same concept or need. See, eg, a cousin comment in this thread on the same idea: [lemmy.ml/comment/7026804](https://lemmy.ml/comment/7026804)\n
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          And the short answer is no … the fediverse basically sucks at providing such a thing … so enamoured is it with federation that localised communities are obviously a bit of an afterthought. Thing is people actually want and need more private or local spaces as well as the big public spaces. Its why all the old school forums are still kicking.\n
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          And the worst part is that federation offers a great opportunity to provide both in a really useful and seamless manner on a single platform. But neither lemmy nor mastodon have a feature for it (with mastodon lead dev actively opposing the idea it seems).\n
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          I have to believe it would be easy for lemmy to implement.\n
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    Yea for sure …\n
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    I’ve said it a few times in similar conversations before … the big-corp mega social media era (~2008-2023, Twitter/Reddit/Facebook/Instagram) has had huge cultural effects on the internet that go way beyond whether you’re on one of the platforms or not and which will ripple into the future for a long while.\n
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    We’d all do well to consider what parts of that culture we carry in our expectations and behaviours … and the whole doom-scrolling through an all-encompassing feed as a form of entertainment expectation is a big one. Social media always needs to be a big place … is another one.\n
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    These aren’t all necessarily evil … but as universal expectations they certainly aren’t good either, IMO.
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        Bob Dylan certainly thinks so: [medium.com/…/like-it-is-bob-dylan-explains-what-r…](https://medium.com/cuepoint/like-it-is-bob-dylan-explains-what-really-killed-rock-n-roll-f6a4b6587a1a)\n
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    Fair!\n
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    ### Is your proposal related to a problem?\n
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    User score aggregates were removed from the API in 0.19.0 in PR 4089. The justification was that it was psychologically harmful.\n
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    I am officially protesting this removal and asking for it to be reconsidered.\n
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    ### Describe the solution you’d like.\n
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    Re-enable it at the API level and continue hiding it in Lemmy-UI if that is your personal stance on the matter. Or, make it an option admins/users can disable at the instance/user level (there’s already an option to hide scores, so maybe expand on that?).\n
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    Other UIs *do* utilize scores, and it is a useful metric for moderation.\n
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    e.g. If I load a user’s profile to determine an appropriate mod action, and I see it is a 2 day old account with a combined comment/post score in the deep negative, I really only need to review a couple of submissions to confirm it is a troll account. Not only does that save me precious time, it is also good for *my* psychological health to not read through all that garbage.\n
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    e.g. #2: If someone posts a particularly toxic comment but their score to post/comment count ratio is high, I’m more likely to read through their history and conclude they’re having a bad day or something. Without the score, I *will not* read through and likely just ban them and move on.\n
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    Compile it back in for myself and anyone else who wants it, I guess? 😔\n
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    ### Additional context\n
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    Considering how easy it is to spin up troll accounts or amass multiple troll accounts across multiple instances, removing a useful metric for identifying them at a glance is, IMO, irresponsible.\n
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    If you don’t want people to “game” it or don’t like the idea of user scores, then make it optional and disable it on *your* instance, but don’t remove it and impose *your* preferences on instance admins who want to utilize it.
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        As someone who is against use aggregate scores and pleased to see it removed I can understand the desire to make it available to admins/moderators to assist in their actions.\n
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    I also have to wonder if an admin/mod couldn’t simply use the view of the user’s posts/comments we all have access to along with the various sorts available. Want to know if a user posts generally well received stuff … look at their posts and sort by “Top all time”. Want to know if they’re regularly posting stuff that is poorly received, sort by “Controversial” (which is new) or just “New”. I’d suspect that in the end integrating this sort of lookup into the moderation tooling so that it’s easier/quicker to do would be more worthwhile than persisting with user aggregates.
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