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Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
0.28 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
0.08 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1549
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1926 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1559 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#1708 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2470 …}
  +slug: "Earliest-true-saddle-in-east-Asia-discovered"
  +title: "Earliest 'true' saddle in east Asia discovered"
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  +body: null
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 2
  +favouriteCount: 13
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1702337433 {#1630
    date: 2023-12-12 00:30:33.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2469 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2471 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2370 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1714 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1717 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1728 …}
  +children: [
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1672
      +user: App\Entity\User {#259 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1549 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1559 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        I wondered what the heck a “true” saddle was supposed to be, but it looks like they roughly defined it as a treed (wooden frame) saddle with stirrups attached.\n
        \n
        I can’t seem to parse whether the tree came before the stirrup – it’s implied but not stated – but it looks like a single mounting stirrup was invented before paired riding stirrups. I’ve seen a Native American (Cherokee? IIRC dated about Removal Time) saddle that was basically just a tree, presumably used with blankets above and beneath for comfort, without any indication of rings for girth or stirrup attachment, but that doesn’t rule out looping them through the gap between the tree bars (where the spine floats underneath).\n
        \n
        It was/is a trend within the last decade or so to use a treeless saddle for more “natural” horsemanship (whatever that means), and I’m sitting here wondering what that means for stirrup attachment. Layered on top of the girth, I hope, for stability. Gonna go fall down the google-hole.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703914041 {#1709
        date: 2023-12-30 06:27:21.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@throws_lemy@lemmy.nz"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1550 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1525 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1527 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1526 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1563 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1571 …}
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      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
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      +apId: "https://possumpat.io/comment/3335737"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703913038 {#1614
        date: 2023-12-30 06:10:38.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1702335341 {#1609
        date: 2023-12-11 23:55:41.0 +01:00
      }
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1549 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1559 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: App\Entity\EntryComment {#1672}
      +root: App\Entity\EntryComment {#1672}
      +body: """
        In the interest of horse-girl infodumping, I recall seeing some at the Gilcrease Museum in Tulsa, OK, and luckily they have some pics for their online collection, thank you Gilcrease.\n
        \n
        This one is the one I remembered offhand, with a high pommel and cantle (turns out it’s not Cherokee): [collections.gilcrease.org/object/84987](https://collections.gilcrease.org/object/84987)\n
        \n
        Here’s one that used antler for the pommel and cantle, which I thought was neat: [collections.gilcrease.org/object/84984](https://collections.gilcrease.org/object/84984)\n
        \n
        This one actually has stirrups, looks like the girth attachments are more sophicated than my Dunning-Kruger ass imagined, but the stirrup leathers are, in fact, looped over each of the wooden bars: [collections.gilcrease.org/object/84985](https://collections.gilcrease.org/object/84985)
        """
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      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 2
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1702337433 {#1552
        date: 2023-12-12 00:30:33.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@throws_lemy@lemmy.nz"
        "@tinycarnivoroussheep@possumpat.io"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1621 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1557 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1596 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1702 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1683 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1680 …}
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      +ranking: 0
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      +apId: "https://possumpat.io/comment/3336424"
      +editedAt: null
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      }
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  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
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  +ranking: 1702347211
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.nz/post/4317780"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1702312211 {#1641
    date: 2023-12-11 17:30:11.0 +01:00
  }
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   …2
}
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1559 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#1708 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2470 …}
  +slug: "Earliest-true-saddle-in-east-Asia-discovered"
  +title: "Earliest 'true' saddle in east Asia discovered"
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  +body: null
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 2
  +favouriteCount: 13
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1702337433 {#1630
    date: 2023-12-12 00:30:33.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2469 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2471 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2370 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1714 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1717 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1728 …}
  +children: [
    1 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1672
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1549 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1559 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: null
      +root: null
      +body: """
        I wondered what the heck a “true” saddle was supposed to be, but it looks like they roughly defined it as a treed (wooden frame) saddle with stirrups attached.\n
        \n
        I can’t seem to parse whether the tree came before the stirrup – it’s implied but not stated – but it looks like a single mounting stirrup was invented before paired riding stirrups. I’ve seen a Native American (Cherokee? IIRC dated about Removal Time) saddle that was basically just a tree, presumably used with blankets above and beneath for comfort, without any indication of rings for girth or stirrup attachment, but that doesn’t rule out looping them through the gap between the tree bars (where the spine floats underneath).\n
        \n
        It was/is a trend within the last decade or so to use a treeless saddle for more “natural” horsemanship (whatever that means), and I’m sitting here wondering what that means for stirrup attachment. Layered on top of the girth, I hope, for stability. Gonna go fall down the google-hole.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703914041 {#1709
        date: 2023-12-30 06:27:21.0 +01:00
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      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
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      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1527 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1526 …}
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      +image: null
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        In the interest of horse-girl infodumping, I recall seeing some at the Gilcrease Museum in Tulsa, OK, and luckily they have some pics for their online collection, thank you Gilcrease.\n
        \n
        This one is the one I remembered offhand, with a high pommel and cantle (turns out it’s not Cherokee): [collections.gilcrease.org/object/84987](https://collections.gilcrease.org/object/84987)\n
        \n
        Here’s one that used antler for the pommel and cantle, which I thought was neat: [collections.gilcrease.org/object/84984](https://collections.gilcrease.org/object/84984)\n
        \n
        This one actually has stirrups, looks like the girth attachments are more sophicated than my Dunning-Kruger ass imagined, but the stirrup leathers are, in fact, looped over each of the wooden bars: [collections.gilcrease.org/object/84985](https://collections.gilcrease.org/object/84985)
        """
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      +favouriteCount: 2
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1702337433 {#1552
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        date: 2023-12-12 00:30:33.0 +01:00
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  +editedAt: null
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   …2
}
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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