Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
1.10 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
0.06 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate
App\Entity\Entry {#2388
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  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#266
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      \n
      Rules:\n
      \n
      - Be civil: we’re here to support and learn from one another. Insults won’t be tolerated. Flame wars are frowned upon.\n
      - No spam posting.\n
      - Don’t duplicate the full text of your blog or github here. Just post the link for folks to click.\n
      - Submission headline should match the article title (don’t cherry-pick information from the title to fit your agenda).\n
      - No trolling.\n
      \n
      Resources:\n
      \n
      - [awesome-selfhosted software](https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted)\n
      - [awesome-sysadmin](https://github.com/awesome-foss/awesome-sysadmin) resources\n
      - [Self-Hosted Podcast from Jupiter Broadcasting](https://selfhosted.show)\n
      \n
      > Any issues on the community? Report it using the report flag.\n
      \n
      > Questions? DM the mods!
      """
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  +url: null
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    Started to move off Google’s services to proton:\n
    \n
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  +tags: null
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  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1978 …}
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit
App\Entity\Entry {#2388
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1943 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#266
    +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#247 …}
    +name: "selfhosted@lemmy.world"
    +title: "selfhosted"
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      A place to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self-hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don’t control.\n
      \n
      Rules:\n
      \n
      - Be civil: we’re here to support and learn from one another. Insults won’t be tolerated. Flame wars are frowned upon.\n
      - No spam posting.\n
      - Don’t duplicate the full text of your blog or github here. Just post the link for folks to click.\n
      - Submission headline should match the article title (don’t cherry-pick information from the title to fit your agenda).\n
      - No trolling.\n
      \n
      Resources:\n
      \n
      - [awesome-selfhosted software](https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted)\n
      - [awesome-sysadmin](https://github.com/awesome-foss/awesome-sysadmin) resources\n
      - [Self-Hosted Podcast from Jupiter Broadcasting](https://selfhosted.show)\n
      \n
      > Any issues on the community? Report it using the report flag.\n
      \n
      > Questions? DM the mods!
      """
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  +title: "Started to move off Google (not strictly self-hosted)"
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    Started to move off Google’s services to proton:\n
    \n
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    """
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate
App\Entity\Entry {#2388
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1943 …}
  +magazine: App\Entity\Magazine {#266
    +icon: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#247 …}
    +name: "selfhosted@lemmy.world"
    +title: "selfhosted"
    +description: """
      A place to share alternatives to popular online services that can be self-hosted without giving up privacy or locking you into a service you don’t control.\n
      \n
      Rules:\n
      \n
      - Be civil: we’re here to support and learn from one another. Insults won’t be tolerated. Flame wars are frowned upon.\n
      - No spam posting.\n
      - Don’t duplicate the full text of your blog or github here. Just post the link for folks to click.\n
      - Submission headline should match the article title (don’t cherry-pick information from the title to fit your agenda).\n
      - No trolling.\n
      \n
      Resources:\n
      \n
      - [awesome-selfhosted software](https://github.com/awesome-selfhosted/awesome-selfhosted)\n
      - [awesome-sysadmin](https://github.com/awesome-foss/awesome-sysadmin) resources\n
      - [Self-Hosted Podcast from Jupiter Broadcasting](https://selfhosted.show)\n
      \n
      > Any issues on the community? Report it using the report flag.\n
      \n
      > Questions? DM the mods!
      """
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    Started to move off Google’s services to proton:\n
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
6 DENIED moderate
App\Entity\EntryComment {#4021
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          What Zoho plan are you using? I can’t quite tell what the difference between the free and lite tiers is except for IMAP/POP support.\n
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        Proton has been gradually closing down access to proprietary apps only. After they’re done you won’t be able to take your email anywhere else.\n
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        If you have your own domain you’ll be able to host it elsewhere but you would leave behind email, calendar, aliases etc. and restarting from scratch.\n
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    I don’t self host my email either. I got my registrar, DNS and email separate from each other so if any of them goes bad I can switch with minimum fuss.\n
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        Proton has been gradually closing down access to proprietary apps only. After they’re done you won’t be able to take your email anywhere else.\n
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    I don’t self host my email either. I got my registrar, DNS and email separate from each other so if any of them goes bad I can switch with minimum fuss.\n
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    But that makes it all the more important to be able to download all your mail from your provider.\n
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      Started to move off Google’s services to proton:\n
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            I moved off to zoho\n
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            Much cheaper than proton and offers much more.\n
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            They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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          What Zoho plan are you using? I can’t quite tell what the difference between the free and lite tiers is except for IMAP/POP support.\n
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        Proton has been gradually closing down access to proprietary apps only. After they’re done you won’t be able to take your email anywhere else.\n
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    I don’t self host my email either. I got my registrar, DNS and email separate from each other so if any of them goes bad I can switch with minimum fuss.\n
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          Proton has been gradually closing down access to proprietary apps only. After they’re done you won’t be able to take your email anywhere else.\n
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      I don’t self host my email either. I got my registrar, DNS and email separate from each other so if any of them goes bad I can switch with minimum fuss.\n
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            What Zoho plan are you using? I can’t quite tell what the difference between the free and lite tiers is except for IMAP/POP support.\n
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              I moved off to zoho\n
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              Much cheaper than proton and offers much more.\n
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            What Zoho plan are you using? I can’t quite tell what the difference between the free and lite tiers is except for IMAP/POP support.\n
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            I moved over to Proton earlier this year and have had a good experience so far, but I’m not married to it or anything.
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          Proton has been gradually closing down access to proprietary apps only. After they’re done you won’t be able to take your email anywhere else.\n
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          If you have your own domain you’ll be able to host it elsewhere but you would leave behind email, calendar, aliases etc. and restarting from scratch.\n
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      I don’t self host my email either. I got my registrar, DNS and email separate from each other so if any of them goes bad I can switch with minimum fuss.\n
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              What Zoho plan are you using? I can’t quite tell what the difference between the free and lite tiers is except for IMAP/POP support.\n
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            Proton has been gradually closing down access to proprietary apps only. After they’re done you won’t be able to take your email anywhere else.\n
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            If you have your own domain you’ll be able to host it elsewhere but you would leave behind email, calendar, aliases etc. and restarting from scratch.\n
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        I don’t self host my email either. I got my registrar, DNS and email separate from each other so if any of them goes bad I can switch with minimum fuss.\n
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    That’s a very broad question that depends a lot on your usage. My needs may be different from yours.\n
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    - Very nice management interface with all the bells and whistles but with reasonable defaults and easy to use.\n
    - The company is based in Switzerland and the mail hosted in EU (France).\n
    - Standard email service with everything you’d expect (the regular protocols, spam protection, webmail, full compatibility with clients etc.)
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                I moved off to zoho\n
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                Zoho is not open source, but proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless. They also reject or ignore any pull request on GitHub.
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              What Zoho plan are you using? I can’t quite tell what the difference between the free and lite tiers is except for IMAP/POP support.\n
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              I moved over to Proton earlier this year and have had a good experience so far, but I’m not married to it or anything.
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            Proton has been gradually closing down access to proprietary apps only. After they’re done you won’t be able to take your email anywhere else.\n
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            If you have your own domain you’ll be able to host it elsewhere but you would leave behind email, calendar, aliases etc. and restarting from scratch.\n
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            At that point “encrypted” starts smelling more like “hostage”. It’s generally a bad idea to be tied down to a specific email provider.\n
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            You could wake up tomorrow to find out Proton has been acquired and the new owners can charge anything yet want for continued service.
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        I don’t self host my email either. I got my registrar, DNS and email separate from each other so if any of them goes bad I can switch with minimum fuss.\n
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        But that makes it all the more important to be able to download all your mail from your provider.\n
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        Proton currently has two proprietary things you can use to download, a “bridge” PC app that pretends to speak IMAP, and a download tool. The bridge will be discontinued after they launch their propeietary PC mail app so that leaves just the proprietary download tool, which only does .eml. format.
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    That’s a very broad question that depends a lot on your usage. My needs may be different from yours.\n
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    I’m currently using Migadu because:\n
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    - Unlimited domains, mailboxes, accounts and aliases for a flat fee. I’m managing accounts for myself as well as family and extended family members and it comes out much cheaper this way than services that ask $5-10/account.\n
    - Very nice management interface with all the bells and whistles but with reasonable defaults and easy to use.\n
    - The company is based in Switzerland and the mail hosted in EU (France).\n
    - Standard email service with everything you’d expect (the regular protocols, spam protection, webmail, full compatibility with clients etc.)
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                I moved off to zoho\n
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                Zoho is not open source, but proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless. They also reject or ignore any pull request on GitHub.
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              What Zoho plan are you using? I can’t quite tell what the difference between the free and lite tiers is except for IMAP/POP support.\n
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              I moved over to Proton earlier this year and have had a good experience so far, but I’m not married to it or anything.
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            Proton has been gradually closing down access to proprietary apps only. After they’re done you won’t be able to take your email anywhere else.\n
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            If you have your own domain you’ll be able to host it elsewhere but you would leave behind email, calendar, aliases etc. and restarting from scratch.\n
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            At that point “encrypted” starts smelling more like “hostage”. It’s generally a bad idea to be tied down to a specific email provider.\n
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            You could wake up tomorrow to find out Proton has been acquired and the new owners can charge anything yet want for continued service.
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        I don’t self host my email either. I got my registrar, DNS and email separate from each other so if any of them goes bad I can switch with minimum fuss.\n
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        But that makes it all the more important to be able to download all your mail from your provider.\n
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        Proton currently has two proprietary things you can use to download, a “bridge” PC app that pretends to speak IMAP, and a download tool. The bridge will be discontinued after they launch their propeietary PC mail app so that leaves just the proprietary download tool, which only does .eml. format.
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    That’s a very broad question that depends a lot on your usage. My needs may be different from yours.\n
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    I’m currently using Migadu because:\n
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    - Unlimited domains, mailboxes, accounts and aliases for a flat fee. I’m managing accounts for myself as well as family and extended family members and it comes out much cheaper this way than services that ask $5-10/account.\n
    - Very nice management interface with all the bells and whistles but with reasonable defaults and easy to use.\n
    - The company is based in Switzerland and the mail hosted in EU (France).\n
    - Standard email service with everything you’d expect (the regular protocols, spam protection, webmail, full compatibility with clients etc.)
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      I moved off to zoho\n
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      Zoho is not open source, but proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless. They also reject or ignore any pull request on GitHub.
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    > They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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    The reason Proton cannot do IMAP/SMTP is that *they cannot read your emails* which is required for both. That’s a feature, not a bug.\n
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    PM works with any app as long as the app implements their custom protocol for which there are at least two FOSS implementations as a reference.\n
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    > proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless\n
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    While I’d also prefer their back-end to be OSS, it’s not nearly as critical as the clients.  \n
    As a user, it doesn’t make a difference. I’m paying for an opaque service either way.\n
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    All the interesting stuff (E2EE, zero access storage) happen in the clients anyways. The BE is fairly uninteresting; it’s a mail server + zero-access encryption + Proton account handling. If you really wanted to build a mail service similar to Proton, you could build that yourself and probably would have to anyways.
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    i think instead the opposite. The backend is the real interesting part, and the only way that we can be sure that “they cannot read the emails” (they arrive in clear, saved with reversible encryption and they have a key for it - if you use their services to commit crimes they will collaborate with the law enforcement agencies like everyone else)\n
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      > They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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      PM works with any app as long as the app implements their custom protocol for which there are at least two FOSS implementations as a reference.\n
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      > proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless\n
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      While I’d also prefer their back-end to be OSS, it’s not nearly as critical as the clients.  \n
      As a user, it doesn’t make a difference. I’m paying for an opaque service either way.\n
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      All the interesting stuff (E2EE, zero access storage) happen in the clients anyways. The BE is fairly uninteresting; it’s a mail server + zero-access encryption + Proton account handling. If you really wanted to build a mail service similar to Proton, you could build that yourself and probably would have to anyways.
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    i think instead the opposite. The backend is the real interesting part, and the only way that we can be sure that “they cannot read the emails” (they arrive in clear, saved with reversible encryption and they have a key for it - if you use their services to commit crimes they will collaborate with the law enforcement agencies like everyone else)\n
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        They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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      > They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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      > proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless\n
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      While I’d also prefer their back-end to be OSS, it’s not nearly as critical as the clients.  \n
      As a user, it doesn’t make a difference. I’m paying for an opaque service either way.\n
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      All the interesting stuff (E2EE, zero access storage) happen in the clients anyways. The BE is fairly uninteresting; it’s a mail server + zero-access encryption + Proton account handling. If you really wanted to build a mail service similar to Proton, you could build that yourself and probably would have to anyways.
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    i think instead the opposite. The backend is the real interesting part, and the only way that we can be sure that “they cannot read the emails” (they arrive in clear, saved with reversible encryption and they have a key for it - if you use their services to commit crimes they will collaborate with the law enforcement agencies like everyone else)\n
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          Zoho is not open source, but proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless. They also reject or ignore any pull request on GitHub.
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        > They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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        The reason Proton cannot do IMAP/SMTP is that *they cannot read your emails* which is required for both. That’s a feature, not a bug.\n
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        PM works with any app as long as the app implements their custom protocol for which there are at least two FOSS implementations as a reference.\n
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        > proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless\n
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        While I’d also prefer their back-end to be OSS, it’s not nearly as critical as the clients.  \n
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        All the interesting stuff (E2EE, zero access storage) happen in the clients anyways. The BE is fairly uninteresting; it’s a mail server + zero-access encryption + Proton account handling. If you really wanted to build a mail service similar to Proton, you could build that yourself and probably would have to anyways.
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      i think instead the opposite. The backend is the real interesting part, and the only way that we can be sure that “they cannot read the emails” (they arrive in clear, saved with reversible encryption and they have a key for it - if you use their services to commit crimes they will collaborate with the law enforcement agencies like everyone else)\n
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    > The backend is the real interesting part, and the only way that we can be sure that “they cannot read the emails”\n
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    While I’d still prefer it, OSS can’t really help with that because what’s really required here is remote attestation.  \n
    That is an unsolved problem to my knowledge; there is no way to know which software they’re actually running. Even if they published the source code, they could trivially apply a patch in their deployment that stores all incoming email somewhere and you’d be none the wiser.\n
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    Even if they published source code and could somehow prove to you that they’re running a version derived from it, you would still not be safe from surveillance as one could simply MITM all connections. See i.e. [notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/](https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/).\n
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          I moved off to zoho\n
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          They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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          I especially love the feature where you can bounce emails based on domains, keywords or TLDs. My spam folder is finally empty. IMHO bounce back spam is much better, as the spammers get a response that the address is invalid and hopefully stop wasting their limited computing resources on that address.\n
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          Zoho is not open source, but proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless. They also reject or ignore any pull request on GitHub.
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        > They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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        The reason Proton cannot do IMAP/SMTP is that *they cannot read your emails* which is required for both. That’s a feature, not a bug.\n
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        PM works with any app as long as the app implements their custom protocol for which there are at least two FOSS implementations as a reference.\n
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        > proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless\n
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        While I’d also prefer their back-end to be OSS, it’s not nearly as critical as the clients.  \n
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        All the interesting stuff (E2EE, zero access storage) happen in the clients anyways. The BE is fairly uninteresting; it’s a mail server + zero-access encryption + Proton account handling. If you really wanted to build a mail service similar to Proton, you could build that yourself and probably would have to anyways.
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      i think instead the opposite. The backend is the real interesting part, and the only way that we can be sure that “they cannot read the emails” (they arrive in clear, saved with reversible encryption and they have a key for it - if you use their services to commit crimes they will collaborate with the law enforcement agencies like everyone else)\n
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    > The backend is the real interesting part, and the only way that we can be sure that “they cannot read the emails”\n
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    While I’d still prefer it, OSS can’t really help with that because what’s really required here is remote attestation.  \n
    That is an unsolved problem to my knowledge; there is no way to know which software they’re actually running. Even if they published the source code, they could trivially apply a patch in their deployment that stores all incoming email somewhere and you’d be none the wiser.\n
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    Even if they published source code and could somehow prove to you that they’re running a version derived from it, you would still not be safe from surveillance as one could simply MITM all connections. See i.e. [notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/](https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/).\n
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          I moved off to zoho\n
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          Much cheaper than proton and offers much more.\n
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          They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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          I especially love the feature where you can bounce emails based on domains, keywords or TLDs. My spam folder is finally empty. IMHO bounce back spam is much better, as the spammers get a response that the address is invalid and hopefully stop wasting their limited computing resources on that address.\n
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          Zoho is not open source, but proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless. They also reject or ignore any pull request on GitHub.
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        > They’re not doing like proton and close basic stuff like IMAP and SMTP as a way to force you on the official apps\n
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        The reason Proton cannot do IMAP/SMTP is that *they cannot read your emails* which is required for both. That’s a feature, not a bug.\n
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        PM works with any app as long as the app implements their custom protocol for which there are at least two FOSS implementations as a reference.\n
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        > proton is a “fake” open source that is mostly used for marketing: they opened only the UI, which communicates with a proprietary protocol to a proprietary server - useless\n
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        While I’d also prefer their back-end to be OSS, it’s not nearly as critical as the clients.  \n
        As a user, it doesn’t make a difference. I’m paying for an opaque service either way.\n
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        All the interesting stuff (E2EE, zero access storage) happen in the clients anyways. The BE is fairly uninteresting; it’s a mail server + zero-access encryption + Proton account handling. If you really wanted to build a mail service similar to Proton, you could build that yourself and probably would have to anyways.
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      i think instead the opposite. The backend is the real interesting part, and the only way that we can be sure that “they cannot read the emails” (they arrive in clear, saved with reversible encryption and they have a key for it - if you use their services to commit crimes they will collaborate with the law enforcement agencies like everyone else)\n
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      imap/smtp can be toggled with a warning, if that’s really their concern. As of now i have the feeling that’s instead blocked to keep users inside (no IMAP = no easy migration to somewhere else) or to limit usage (no SMTP = no sending mass email)
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    > The backend is the real interesting part, and the only way that we can be sure that “they cannot read the emails”\n
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    While I’d still prefer it, OSS can’t really help with that because what’s really required here is remote attestation.  \n
    That is an unsolved problem to my knowledge; there is no way to know which software they’re actually running. Even if they published the source code, they could trivially apply a patch in their deployment that stores all incoming email somewhere and you’d be none the wiser.\n
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    Even if they published source code and could somehow prove to you that they’re running a version derived from it, you would still not be safe from surveillance as one could simply MITM all connections. See i.e. [notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/](https://notes.valdikss.org.ru/jabber.ru-mitm/).\n
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    It’s plain and simply not how their service works. They’d have to build most of their service a second time but unencrypted.\n
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    It’s like asking Signal to build in support for IRC; it does not make sense for them to do that in any way without malicious intent needed.\n
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    > no IMAP = no easy migration to somewhere else\n
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    You *have* IMAP access via the bridge. That’s what it’s for.
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                EZPZ what else ya got?
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      It’s in [restricted beta](https://proton.me/support/mail-desktop-app) currently, only available to a small category of users, and still lacking features. They say it will launch early 2024 but it looks more like mid-year to me (at best).\n
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      It’s in [restricted beta](https://proton.me/support/mail-desktop-app) currently, only available to a small category of users, and still lacking features. They say it will launch early 2024 but it looks more like mid-year to me (at best).\n
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    You ever look at the Privacy Policy on any website ever? They all sell your information to data brokers.\n
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