GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/u/@barsoap@lemm.ee/newest/1y?p=2

Response
200 OK
IP
3.15.237.123
Profiled on
Token
b2a8bf

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 0.23 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.04 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2207
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2635 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2212 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2681 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2703 …}
  +slug: "How-could-the-EU-do-this"
  +title: "How could the EU do this??"
  +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f29fee0a-5e30-454d-a820-03a7b49e4887.png"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 162
  +favouriteCount: 1206
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1711573588 {#2242
    date: 2024-03-27 22:06:28.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2702 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2700 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2697 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2731 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2727 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2744 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2203
      +user: App\Entity\User {#265 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2207 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2212 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2208 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2208 …}
      +body: """
        TETP is just a nefarious scheme to dictate [glorious typography](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Zna%C4%8Dka_IS_9_Tern.jpg) to member states. Seriously that thing is good: Ridiculously legible and specifically so in “big font at long distances” situations, meanwhile both friendly and authoritative – exactly the kind of thing you want when asking for the way. No “yeah let me think where was that intersection” or “can’t you find your own way” but “Of course! Go straight ahead, first to the left, then the second right”.\n
        \n
        Now if the EU would get around to telling member states that they should learn from each other in overall traffic and urban design, and follow the best practices that they can find anywhere. Which is diplomatic language for “Do as the Dutch do”.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703775695 {#2202
        date: 2023-12-28 16:01:35.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Hubi@lemmy.world"
        "@azertyfun@sh.itjust.works"
        "@Hubi@lemmy.world"
        "@azertyfun@sh.itjust.works"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2209 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2200 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2270 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2257 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2267 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2271 …}
      -id: 272430
      -bodyTs: "'/wikipedia/commons/1/10/zna%c4%8dka_is_9_tern.jpg)':13 'ahead':73 'anywher':115 'around':88 'ask':47 'authorit':38 'best':109 'big':28 'cours':70 'design':105 'dictat':8 'diplomat':118 'distanc':32 'dutch':124 'eu':85 'exact':39 'find':64,114 'first':74 'follow':107 'font':29 'friend':36 'get':87 'glorious':9 'go':71 'good':21 'intersect':59 'kind':41 'languag':119 'learn':96 'left':77 'legibl':23 'let':53 'long':31 'meanwhil':34 'member':15,91 'nefari':5 'overal':101 'practic':110 'ridicul':22 'right':81 'scheme':6 'second':80 'serious':17 'situat':33 'specif':25 'state':16,92 'straight':72 'tell':90 'tetp':1 'thing':19,43 'think':55 'traffic':102 'typographi':10 'upload.wikimedia.org':12 'upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/zna%c4%8dka_is_9_tern.jpg)':11 'urban':104 'want':45 'way':50,67 'would':86 'yeah':52"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemm.ee/comment/7660402"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1710706092 {#2201
        date: 2024-03-17 21:08:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703775695 {#2210
        date: 2023-12-28 16:01:35.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 272430
    }
  ]
  -id: 25094
  -titleTs: "'could':2 'eu':4"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1703716583
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10006812"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703630183 {#2655
    date: 2023-12-26 23:36:23.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2207
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2635 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2212 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2681 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2703 …}
  +slug: "How-could-the-EU-do-this"
  +title: "How could the EU do this??"
  +url: "https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f29fee0a-5e30-454d-a820-03a7b49e4887.png"
  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 162
  +favouriteCount: 1206
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1711573588 {#2242
    date: 2024-03-27 22:06:28.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2702 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2700 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2697 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2731 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2727 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2744 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#2203
      +user: App\Entity\User {#265 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2207 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2212 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2208 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2208 …}
      +body: """
        TETP is just a nefarious scheme to dictate [glorious typography](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Zna%C4%8Dka_IS_9_Tern.jpg) to member states. Seriously that thing is good: Ridiculously legible and specifically so in “big font at long distances” situations, meanwhile both friendly and authoritative – exactly the kind of thing you want when asking for the way. No “yeah let me think where was that intersection” or “can’t you find your own way” but “Of course! Go straight ahead, first to the left, then the second right”.\n
        \n
        Now if the EU would get around to telling member states that they should learn from each other in overall traffic and urban design, and follow the best practices that they can find anywhere. Which is diplomatic language for “Do as the Dutch do”.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703775695 {#2202
        date: 2023-12-28 16:01:35.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Hubi@lemmy.world"
        "@azertyfun@sh.itjust.works"
        "@Hubi@lemmy.world"
        "@azertyfun@sh.itjust.works"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2209 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2200 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2270 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2257 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2267 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2271 …}
      -id: 272430
      -bodyTs: "'/wikipedia/commons/1/10/zna%c4%8dka_is_9_tern.jpg)':13 'ahead':73 'anywher':115 'around':88 'ask':47 'authorit':38 'best':109 'big':28 'cours':70 'design':105 'dictat':8 'diplomat':118 'distanc':32 'dutch':124 'eu':85 'exact':39 'find':64,114 'first':74 'follow':107 'font':29 'friend':36 'get':87 'glorious':9 'go':71 'good':21 'intersect':59 'kind':41 'languag':119 'learn':96 'left':77 'legibl':23 'let':53 'long':31 'meanwhil':34 'member':15,91 'nefari':5 'overal':101 'practic':110 'ridicul':22 'right':81 'scheme':6 'second':80 'serious':17 'situat':33 'specif':25 'state':16,92 'straight':72 'tell':90 'tetp':1 'thing':19,43 'think':55 'traffic':102 'typographi':10 'upload.wikimedia.org':12 'upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/zna%c4%8dka_is_9_tern.jpg)':11 'urban':104 'want':45 'way':50,67 'would':86 'yeah':52"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemm.ee/comment/7660402"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1710706092 {#2201
        date: 2024-03-17 21:08:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703775695 {#2210
        date: 2023-12-28 16:01:35.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 272430
    }
  ]
  -id: 25094
  -titleTs: "'could':2 'eu':4"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1703716583
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10006812"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703630183 {#2655
    date: 2023-12-26 23:36:23.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2207
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  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2212 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#2681 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#2703 …}
  +slug: "How-could-the-EU-do-this"
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  +body: null
  +type: "image"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: true
  +commentCount: 162
  +favouriteCount: 1206
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1711573588 {#2242
    date: 2024-03-27 22:06:28.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2702 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2700 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2697 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2731 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2727 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2744 …}
  +children: [
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      +user: App\Entity\User {#265 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2207 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2212 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2208 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2208 …}
      +body: """
        TETP is just a nefarious scheme to dictate [glorious typography](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/Zna%C4%8Dka_IS_9_Tern.jpg) to member states. Seriously that thing is good: Ridiculously legible and specifically so in “big font at long distances” situations, meanwhile both friendly and authoritative – exactly the kind of thing you want when asking for the way. No “yeah let me think where was that intersection” or “can’t you find your own way” but “Of course! Go straight ahead, first to the left, then the second right”.\n
        \n
        Now if the EU would get around to telling member states that they should learn from each other in overall traffic and urban design, and follow the best practices that they can find anywhere. Which is diplomatic language for “Do as the Dutch do”.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 1
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1703775695 {#2202
        date: 2023-12-28 16:01:35.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@Hubi@lemmy.world"
        "@azertyfun@sh.itjust.works"
        "@Hubi@lemmy.world"
        "@azertyfun@sh.itjust.works"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2209 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2200 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2270 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2257 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2267 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2271 …}
      -id: 272430
      -bodyTs: "'/wikipedia/commons/1/10/zna%c4%8dka_is_9_tern.jpg)':13 'ahead':73 'anywher':115 'around':88 'ask':47 'authorit':38 'best':109 'big':28 'cours':70 'design':105 'dictat':8 'diplomat':118 'distanc':32 'dutch':124 'eu':85 'exact':39 'find':64,114 'first':74 'follow':107 'font':29 'friend':36 'get':87 'glorious':9 'go':71 'good':21 'intersect':59 'kind':41 'languag':119 'learn':96 'left':77 'legibl':23 'let':53 'long':31 'meanwhil':34 'member':15,91 'nefari':5 'overal':101 'practic':110 'ridicul':22 'right':81 'scheme':6 'second':80 'serious':17 'situat':33 'specif':25 'state':16,92 'straight':72 'tell':90 'tetp':1 'thing':19,43 'think':55 'traffic':102 'typographi':10 'upload.wikimedia.org':12 'upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/10/zna%c4%8dka_is_9_tern.jpg)':11 'urban':104 'want':45 'way':50,67 'would':86 'yeah':52"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://lemm.ee/comment/7660402"
      +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1710706092 {#2201
        date: 2024-03-17 21:08:12.0 +01:00
      }
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703775695 {#2210
        date: 2023-12-28 16:01:35.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 272430
    }
  ]
  -id: 25094
  -titleTs: "'could':2 'eu':4"
  -bodyTs: null
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1703716583
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://lemmy.world/post/10006812"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1703630183 {#2655
    date: 2023-12-26 23:36:23.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
5 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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        Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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      +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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        “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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        IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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        If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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        If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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      +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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        > and being abusive\n
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        There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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        Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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      +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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        Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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        And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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        The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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        Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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        > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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        Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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        How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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        > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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        No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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        If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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        On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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        It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
        \n
        As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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        > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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        For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
        \n
        The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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        Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        Also, no “you should be aborted retroactively” in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn’t necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.
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      +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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        “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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        IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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        If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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        If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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      +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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        > and being abusive\n
        \n
        There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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        Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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      +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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      +body: """
        Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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        And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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        The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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        Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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        > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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        Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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        How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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        > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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        No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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        If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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        On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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        It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
        \n
        As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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        > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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        For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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        The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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        Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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      +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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        “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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        IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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        If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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        If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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      +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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        > and being abusive\n
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        There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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        Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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      +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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        Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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        And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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        The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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        Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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        > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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        Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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        How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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        > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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        No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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        If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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        On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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        It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
        \n
        As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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        > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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        For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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        The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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    Also, no “you should be aborted retroactively” in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn’t necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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    Also, no “you should be aborted retroactively” in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn’t necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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    Also, no “you should be aborted retroactively” in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn’t necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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          Also, no “you should be aborted retroactively” in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn’t necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
          \n
          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
          \n
          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
          \n
          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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        +body: """
          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
          \n
          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
          \n
          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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  +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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          Also, no “you should be aborted retroactively” in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn’t necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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        +body: """
          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
          \n
          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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  +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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    IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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    If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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    If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
          \n
          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
          \n
          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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      2 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#1384
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
          \n
          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
          \n
          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
          \n
          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
          \n
          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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      0 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2055
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
          \n
          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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    IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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    If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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    If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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    IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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    If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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    If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
          \n
          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
          \n
          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    > and being abusive\n
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    There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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    Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
          \n
          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
          \n
          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
          \n
          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
          \n
          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
          \n
          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
          \n
          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
          \n
          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    > and being abusive\n
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    There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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    Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    > and being abusive\n
    \n
    There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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    Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
          \n
          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
          \n
          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
          \n
          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
          \n
          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
          \n
          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
          \n
          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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  +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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  +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
          \n
          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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  +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
    \n
    And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
    \n
    The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
    \n
    Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
    \n
    And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
    \n
    The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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    Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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          Also, no “you should be aborted retroactively” in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn’t necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
    \n
    And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
    \n
    The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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    Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
          \n
          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
          \n
          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
          \n
          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
          \n
          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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    Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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    How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
          \n
          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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    Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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    How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
          \n
          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
          \n
          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
          \n
          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
          \n
          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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    Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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    How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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    +title: "Linus does not fuck around"
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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          Also, no “you should be aborted retroactively” in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn’t necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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        +body: """
          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
    \n
    No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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    If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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    On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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    > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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    No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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    If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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    On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
          \n
          Also, no “you should be aborted retroactively” in sight anywhere. Yeah that stuff wasn’t necessary even though everyone with an ounce of social intelligence should readily spot that those insults were always so over the top as to be obviously humorous.
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
          \n
          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
          \n
          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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        +body: """
          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
    \n
    No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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    If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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    On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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    As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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        +body: """
          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
          \n
          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
          \n
          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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        +body: """
          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
          \n
          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
    \n
    As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
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          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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          For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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          The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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    It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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    As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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        +body: """
          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
          \n
          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
          \n
          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
          \n
          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
          \n
          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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        +body: """
          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
          \n
          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
          \n
          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
          \n
          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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    > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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    For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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    The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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        +body: "This is a message to an @redhat address, as you might notice. Mauro gets paid to work on the kernel and is not a noob who doesn’t know better, either, he’s a maintainer who fucked up basic maintenance."
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
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          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
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          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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    > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
    \n
    For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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    The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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          Nah it’s completely fine. I vastly prefer an angry-sounding takedown over a passive aggressive takedown and a takedown Mauro definitely deserved because his code was, in fact, utter shite, *and that as a maintainer*. This isn’t “oh he’s a noob he doesn’t know how the kernel works” type of territory. Also note that this happened *after* he had been told what’s up in a neutral and factual way: Linus, even in his most management by perkele days, never made those things the first reply to anything. So Mauro got his chance to spot that he fucked up and correct his approach, he didn’t, therefore, it has to be said loudly. Simple as that.\n
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          “being a dick” and “assertive” are weasel terms which do a hell a lot of lifting in your argument there. I have no idea where your line for behaviour to be deemed acceptable actually is.\n
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          IMO, no, Linus wasn’t a dick. He called out a specific attitude and behaviour which Mauro is not supposed to show in his role as maintainer. What about Mauro being a dick because he went in all self-righteous like “this is a bug in pulseaudio”?\n
          \n
          If you were a restaurant manager, and a server told a customer that he’s not going to serve beer with steak but only wine because “drinking beer with steak is obviously wrong”, what would you do? Chew them out, of course. It’s way out of line. This isn’t Linus exploding over nothing just to bully someone, that’s a thing he has *never* done.\n
          \n
          If you want someone toxic to complain about in the FOSS space pick Lennart Poettering, the kind of guy who replies to “We’d like to be able to disable various features to keep things small” with “why do you hate disabled people they need accessibility”. More generally speaking: Focussing on tone never ends up well. You can be incredibly toxic in the most flowery of idioms.
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        +body: "Yep this is lemmy not reddit. Switcharoos with actual substance and everyone is way more humble."
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          > and being abusive\n
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          There’s it again. What, precisely, is it that makes Linus’ comment “abusive”? Is he gaslighting? Is he attacking Mauro over what he is? All I see is calling out, harshly, what Mauro *did*, behaviour that actually occurred and that is not acceptable and that Mauro *knows* is not acceptable. “We do not break userspace” is the rule #1 of Linux development, Mauro ignored it *and* was a dick about it.\n
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          Or do you disagree with the *tone* of the whole thing. Things like “Shut up” instead of “This is not up for discussion”. If so, then please for the love of the gods please shut up.
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        +body: "I just wish for all of us to become more accustomed to working on ourselves instead of projecting the need to develop virtue on others. Linus actually did it, doesn’t mean that he was an asshole before. Brash, sure, crass, yes, but actual assholes don’t calm down as easily."
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          Current-day Linus wouldn’t react much differently. Cut the “shut the fuck up”, the one or other “fuck” (but not all, some need to be there for emphasis), done. It’s the real personal shit, the “should be aborted retroactively” stuff, that he cut out. “Obvious garbage and idiocy” is a technical term, programmers apply it to their own work all the time. Compilers are more technical in their language but we know what they mean.\n
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          And was this mail, seen in its total impact, a hardship? He went down hard, yes, and thousands upon thousands of Linux *users* breathed a sigh of relief, seeing that Mauro’s attitude towards userland doesn’t fly.\n
          \n
          The hardest-hitting sentence in that mail is actually “You have shown yourself to not be competent in this issue”. Absolutely devastating. Taking context into account it’s the equivalent of telling a professional cook that their ingredients suck, what they did with them sucks, and most of all that the gall which which they claimed that the customer is wrong about their dinner sucking is completely, and utterly, unprofessional.\n
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          Of course that’s hard on Mauro. There’s no way to tell someone about such an epic cock-up without being hard. But not going that far, avoiding that hardship for some notion of civility, now that would be right-out cruel.
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          > " fuck you you fucking code fart"\n
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          Linus didn’t call Mauro anything at all, much less a code fart. If anything, then an idiot (indirectly, by saying “I don’t want to hear that kind of garbage and idiocy from a kernel maintainer again”.\n
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          How many of the people complaining about the mail being abusive or whatnot actually read it.
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          > I can see you worked sooooo hard on this\n
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          No Mauro obviously didn’t which is the fucking problem.\n
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          If you don’t want to use swear words fine, but usually the tone police doesn’t just want to tone down valuable emphasis, they also want to mess with the semantics of the message until it is insulting by means of assuming that the recipient is a toddler and completely ignores the actual issue, which is that Mauro has a role and responsibility and he failed in it.\n
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          On a construction site, if a foreman catches a worker not securing some area that they’re responsible for securing, you can bet your ass that some choice words are going to be heard. That not only saves people’s lives it also protects the worker from going to prison for negligent manslaughter or such. To do that, to have the necessary impact on the worker, yes it’s going to feel bad.
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          It’s not a code review. [Mauro was gaslighting userspace devs, pretending that kernel bugs he introduced were their fault, and at the end of it all he agrees with Linus](https://lemmy.world/comment/5882758).\n
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          As to tone: How is “this is not up for discussion” and “obvious mistakes and thoughtlessness” any better? As a reader I’d be inclined to think that you think of me as having the emotional maturity of a toddler.
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    > and I don’t think there are is any good rationale that warrants such behavior\n
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    For one, the boss setting the tone as to include “shut up” means that you won’t get written up for responding in a similar register. It *allows* for emotionality, instead of burdening the recipient of the dress-down not just with addressing their own behaviour, but also the emotional labour to respond in a way the tone police deems acceptable. Maybe paradoxically (for people lacking emotional intelligence), that makes emotional responses less likely as the recipient isn’t as emotionally boxed in, doesn’t see walls in every direction.\n
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    The line that you shouldn’t cross is making things personal – talking about what someone (presumably) is, instead of what they did. But that applies to any register, “Please come to HR to discuss your identity” isn’t someone anyone should ever hear. Persons can be demeaned and belittled, but not behaviour: Behaviour doesn’t have emotions, dignity, whatever.
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        The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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      +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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        [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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        They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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        Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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        It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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        The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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      +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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        [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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        If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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        They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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        It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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        Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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        The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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      +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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        [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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        If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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        They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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        Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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        It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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    The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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    It may be a bit of an edgelord take but as long as there’s Kahanites in Israel’s government calling them a bunch of murderous cunts really isn’t off-base: Kahanites definitely are that and the rest are tolerating it and therefore at least complicit.
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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    The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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    It may be a bit of an edgelord take but as long as there’s Kahanites in Israel’s government calling them a bunch of murderous cunts really isn’t off-base: Kahanites definitely are that and the rest are tolerating it and therefore at least complicit.
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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    The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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    It may be a bit of an edgelord take but as long as there’s Kahanites in Israel’s government calling them a bunch of murderous cunts really isn’t off-base: Kahanites definitely are that and the rest are tolerating it and therefore at least complicit.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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    [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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    If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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          It may be a bit of an edgelord take but as long as there’s Kahanites in Israel’s government calling them a bunch of murderous cunts really isn’t off-base: Kahanites definitely are that and the rest are tolerating it and therefore at least complicit.
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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    [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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    If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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          It may be a bit of an edgelord take but as long as there’s Kahanites in Israel’s government calling them a bunch of murderous cunts really isn’t off-base: Kahanites definitely are that and the rest are tolerating it and therefore at least complicit.
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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    [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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    If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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    They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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    Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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    They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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          It may be a bit of an edgelord take but as long as there’s Kahanites in Israel’s government calling them a bunch of murderous cunts really isn’t off-base: Kahanites definitely are that and the rest are tolerating it and therefore at least complicit.
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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          Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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    They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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    Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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    It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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    Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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        +body: "White supremacist my ass the people voting extreme right in Israel aren’t the Ashkenazi."
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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          Where I’ll grant some left-wing tendencies is in things like raising literacy rates, but even when it comes to healthcare it’s a hit and miss – Cuba is quite excellent, China is as bad as the US.
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    It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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    Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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          The current minister for national security is a straight-up blood and soil fascist, both him and Netanyahu are implicated in calls to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin. Netanyahu himself is in quite some legal trouble over corruption, not to mention that he should be in trouble over, at the very least, overseeing systematic war crimes (settlement in occupied territories). Plenty of Israelis, especially family of Hamas victims/hostages (largely lefties btw) right-out blame him for allowing the attacks to happen – Israel had the intel, yet the IDF was withdrawn from the Gaza border to back up settlers harassing Palestinians in the west bank. There’s no chance in hell they’re going to survive the next elections.\n
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          [About 75% of Israeli are Jews, the plurality of which (~45%) are Mizrahi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel#Jews), that is, from North Africa or Asia. And yes they lean quite a bit more right in elections than Ashkenazi. In no particular order: Lack of democratic and enlightenment tradition in their ancestral countries, poor and uneducated background, being told “yeah this is our birthright the Arabs don’t belong here” and actually believing it, as well as resentment against leftists because becoming a manager or boss in Israel is quite impossible without a good education and in the first big immigration waves all the power was held by mostly lefty Ashkenazi.\n
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          If you want accuse Israel of being ethnically supremacist, well, it’s a minority but they’re as troublesome as everywhere else and currently in government, but in any don’t get fucking “white” involved in there. Ben-Gvir’s family is from Iraq he didn’t learn to be an assclown from Europeans.
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          They’re not economically left wing though: State capitalism is still capitalism. Bourgeois don’t cease to be bourgeois when they control everything, nobody else can control anything, and you have to call them comrade.\n
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    It’s actually more sociology I’d say as we’re talking more about class and class relations than how the economy upholds them: MLs don’t have state power upholding economic relations to uphold class relations they hold up class relations by direct state power.\n
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    Anyway “state capitalism” is the term Lenin coined to describe what he did, precisely because the Bolsheviks didn’t move to a classless society but replaced nobility and bourgeois with the nomenklatura: Still a ruling class in control of everything. Say what you want about the man but he wasn’t dishonest. The whole thing was done under Marx’ theory that capitalism first has to bring about productivity enhancements etc. before actual communism is possible which is bullshit in general but was probably accurate in its historical and geographic context, question of course being a) did you really need to replace an authoritarian hellhole with another authoritarian hellhole, in that regard Russia has only made a modicum of progress in the last, what, 800 years and b) why would centrally-planned capitalism be more, or even just as, effective at technological and productivity progress than at least some semblance of a market and competition. They took the worst aspect of historical capitalism and removed all the parts which actually bring about progress.
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