GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/u/@Awoo@hexbear.net/hot

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.122
Profiled on
Token
b5385c

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
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  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
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Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
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Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2079
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#2598 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2084 …}
  +image: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Image {#3749 …}
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#3965 …}
  +slug: "Speed-camera-cut-down-for-second-time-in-Cornwall"
  +title: "Speed camera cut down for second time in Cornwall"
  +url: "https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cj5g1elz57qo"
  +body: "It’s insane the lengths that some people will go to save a few seconds on their commute, while also endangering others."
  +type: "link"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 200
  +favouriteCount: 259
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1704990755 {#2263
    date: 2024-01-11 17:32:35.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3962 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3936 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#3934 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#4007 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#4003 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#4020 …}
  +children: [
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      +user: App\Entity\User {#260 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2079 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2084 …}
      +image: null
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      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2095 …}
      +body: """
        > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
        \n
        If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
        \n
        Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
        """
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        date: 2024-01-10 22:09:33.0 +01:00
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        "@CommodoreSixtyFour_@discuss.tchncs.de"
        "@Awoo@hexbear.net"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2207 …}
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      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2204 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2211 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2266 …}
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        date: 2024-01-10 22:09:33.0 +01:00
      }
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2079 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2084 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2292 …}
      +root: App\Entity\EntryComment {#2061
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        +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2079 …2}
        +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2084 …}
        +image: null
        +parent: null
        +root: null
        +body: """
          Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
          \n
          When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
          """
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        +favouriteCount: 27
        +score: 0
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          date: 2024-07-14 13:21:00.0 +02:00
        }
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        -id: 289787
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        +ranking: 0
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          date: 2024-06-22 18:46:31.0 +02:00
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          date: 2024-01-07 20:44:35.0 +01:00
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      +body: """
        Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
        \n
        > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
        \n
        This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
        \n
        You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
        """
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        date: 2024-01-09 21:06:02.0 +01:00
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        "@7bicycles@hexbear.net"
      ]
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      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2278 …}
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      +ranking: 0
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      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2088 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2095 …}
      +body: """
        > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
        \n
        Boot tasty.
        """
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        date: 2024-01-07 20:47:44.0 +01:00
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        "@CommodoreSixtyFour_@discuss.tchncs.de"
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      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2086 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2093 …}
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      -id: 289789
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        date: 2024-01-07 20:47:44.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 289789
    }
    9 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2231
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2079 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#2084 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2232 …}
      +root: App\Entity\EntryComment {#2061}
      +body: """
        Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
        \n
        I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
        """
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      +favouriteCount: 1
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      +lastActive: DateTime @1704741145 {#2213
        date: 2024-01-08 20:12:25.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
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        "@Awoo@hexbear.net"
        "@7bicycles@hexbear.net"
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        "@Awoo@hexbear.net"
        "@7bicycles@hexbear.net"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2229 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2252 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2189 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2311 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2293 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2309 …}
      -id: 292012
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      +apId: "https://hexbear.net/comment/4459164"
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        date: 2024-06-24 06:34:39.0 +02:00
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      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1704741145 {#2230
        date: 2024-01-08 20:12:25.0 +01:00
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    }
    10 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2061}
    7 => App\Entity\EntryComment {#2071
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      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#2079 …2}
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      +root: App\Entity\EntryComment {#2061}
      +body: """
        It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
        \n
        The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
        \n
        The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
        \n
        > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
        \n
        Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
        """
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      +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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        This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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        Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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        > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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        Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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        Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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        > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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        As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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        I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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        I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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        > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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        This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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        The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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        Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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        This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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        There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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        It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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        I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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        Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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        This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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        > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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        If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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        Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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          Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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          When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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        Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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        > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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        This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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        You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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        > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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        Boot tasty.
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        Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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        I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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        It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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        The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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        The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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        > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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        Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
        \n
        This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
        \n
        Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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        > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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        Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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        Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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        > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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        As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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        I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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        I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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        > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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        This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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        The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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        Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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        This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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        There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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        It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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        I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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        Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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        This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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        > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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        If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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        Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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          Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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          When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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        Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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        > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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        This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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        You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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        > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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        Boot tasty.
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        Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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        I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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        It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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        The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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        The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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        > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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        Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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      +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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      +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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        We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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        This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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        Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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        > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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        Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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        Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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        > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
        \n
        As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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        I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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        I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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        > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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        This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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        The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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        Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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        This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
        \n
        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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        ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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        There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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        It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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        I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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    > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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    If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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    Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
          \n
          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
          \n
          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
          \n
          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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    > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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    If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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    Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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    If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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    Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
            \n
            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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    > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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    This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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    You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
          \n
          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
          \n
          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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    > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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    This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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    You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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    > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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    This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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    You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
          \n
          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
          \n
          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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    Boot tasty.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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    Boot tasty.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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    Boot tasty.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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    I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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    I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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    I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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    When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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    +body: "It’s insane the lengths that some people will go to save a few seconds on their commute, while also endangering others."
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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    When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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    When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
          \n
          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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    The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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    The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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    > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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    Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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    It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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    The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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    The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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    > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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    Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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    It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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    Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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    +body: "It’s insane the lengths that some people will go to save a few seconds on their commute, while also endangering others."
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
          \n
          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
          \n
          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
            \n
            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
          \n
          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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    This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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    Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
            \n
            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
          \n
          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
          \n
          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
          \n
          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
          \n
          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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    This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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    Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
          \n
          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
          \n
          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
          \n
          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
          \n
          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
          \n
          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
          \n
          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
          \n
          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
          \n
          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
          \n
          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
          \n
          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
          """
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
          \n
          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
          \n
          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
          \n
          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
          \n
          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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    Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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    Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
          \n
          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
          \n
          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
          \n
          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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    Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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    Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
          \n
          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
          \n
          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
          \n
          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
          \n
          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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    Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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    Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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    As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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    I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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    As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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    I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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    As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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    I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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    > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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    This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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    The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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    Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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    This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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    There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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    It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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    I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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    > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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    This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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    The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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    Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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    This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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    There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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    It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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    I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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    > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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    This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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    The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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    Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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    This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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    ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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    There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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    It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
          \n
          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
          \n
          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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          I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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          Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
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          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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    I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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    This method is a little extreme though tbh we usually just chuck paint on them. This one is tall in order to make that less viable it seems.
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    +body: "It’s insane the lengths that some people will go to save a few seconds on their commute, while also endangering others."
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
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          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
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          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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    I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          > acting in a way that directly leads to people being hurt, maimed and / or traumatized\n
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          If that’s your benchmark then 90% of people should be considered criminal.\n
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          Out of interest do you support Israel and/or the continuation of the war in Ukraine or do you support ceasefires?
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            Lmao cutting down speed cameras is praxis. Jog on. These things are just there to make local councils money.\n
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            When they actually want a slower road they put speed bumps or traffic islands on it.
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          Meanwhile, in the real world we must be concerned with actually viable change.\n
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          > when the last speed cam is dismantled you’ll find all the roads still suck ass and will not be redesigned\n
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          This is just factually not true, evidenced by the abundance of traffic calming measures that exists, and those that have replaced cameras.\n
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          You are inventing a fantasy reality to suit an anti car obsession. One I share, car reduction is good. However you’re being a tit now.
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          > TL;DR: If you do incriminating stuff, you should be incriminated.\n
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          Boot tasty.
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          Having been to court twice for online related stuff I will absolutely couch this shit.\n
          \n
          I do not see how that question is doing anything but attempting some sort of gotcha or accusation that these people deserve to be fucked over instead of have real designs that don’t result in their lives being made harder.
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          It literally says in this article that one of the cameras mentioned has clocked 17,000 people. Of course they have money to do it. [Croydon council responded to FOI request stating it costs £2.5-£3.5k](https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/the_costs_of_removing_and_instal) to install traffic islands. The cost of a speed camera installation on the other hand is [£85,000 according to Bedford Council](https://www.bedford.gov.uk/media/2895/download?inline#:~:text=As%20of%20Summer%202021%20the,approximately%20%C2%A35%2C000%20per%20annum.), with a £5000 annual upkeep cost.\n
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          The cost of physical redesign traffic calming measures is significantly cheaper to install than the cameras, whose cost is justified by councils because of the income they bring in thereafter.\n
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          The insistence on replacing it instead of doing something else is being justified internally because even with these attacks they consider it to be making more than it’s costing them.\n
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          > Poor people aren’t getting screwed over by this because poor people can’t afford to drive,\n
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          Mate fuck right off. This statement just screams that you’ve never actually done any organising or volunteering with the poor in the UK. Please volunteer at a food bank for once in your fucking life and learn what kinds of people the 3million people in this country attending them are like. It will surprise you, expand your view of society a bit, and you’ll be doing an actually-good useful thing.
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        +body: "The process and length of time it takes for either option are practically the same. It’s irrelevant. Not to mention a traffic island costs like £3k while a camera costs £85k (guess why they pick the camera despite the price)."
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        +body: "Bus, train or taxi."
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          We live in material reality, not a fantasy in your head. Justifying bullshit that specifically fucks over the poor while not really affecting the rich (because fines are just fees you pay to break the law when you’re rich enough for them to be minor inconveniences) with what amounts to Cartman screaming RESPECT MAH AUTHORITAH is bullshit. You want people to actually slow down? Redesign the road.\n
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          This praxis does two things, it prevents the poor being fucked over if these are just there to make council money, or it causes them to give up on the camera and properly redesign the road when it’s actually about real safety concerns.\n
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          Given this has happened before and they only replaced the camera I’m siding with “it’s for council income not actual safety”. If they do it again I feel doubley vindicated in that opinion. If it’s actually about real safety concerns they’ll give up on the camera and add in pedestrian refuge islands to slow traffic instead. Love these badboys\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/444e22c7-fba2-46cf-8892-15ffe06de8ee.png)
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          > My point here is that for every one it fucks over, it helps other people not being fucked over, because it does do something against speeding. My line of reasoning for speed cams is not that it fucks people over, it’s that it helps people. You wanna focus on the first part, I’m trying to get you to see the issue is more complex than that, at least if you include people outside of cars in your consideration.\n
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          Well my line of reasoning is that there is an alternative that fucks no poor people over, and that taking action to achieve that end us a good thing. A negative in the short term leads to a longterm positive.\n
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          Also I see no other method of doing this. If you go to the council and say “I want to replace this highly profitable traffic camera making hundreds of thousands per year with a traffic island that will make no money at all” the decision that any team will make internally is obvious. That issue inevitably leads to destruction of these cameras as the only method of causing the alternative to occur.
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          > Sure, but you’re arguing for like instant speed camera abolishment or destruction here, aye?\n
          \n
          As a means of discouraging their construction in the first place and the harm they do to the poor I am defending the person who did this.\n
          \n
          I am not advocating anyone do anything illegal. ![illegal-to-say](https://www.hexbear.net/pictrs/image/062ce259-061f-4e4b-8418-3603c02087f0.png "emoji illegal-to-say")
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          I was ruder than I should’ve been, I thought you were the other person who has irritated me a bit.\n
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          > I guarantee you without change far reaching enough to societally gain a new understanding of public space and roads\n
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          This is the weird fantasy part I was referring to. It’s like, just nonsense. It comes off like an american attitude being ported to the UK with absolutely no adaptation whatsoever to British conditions. Our conditions are nothing like america. Getting rid of cameras and getting traffic calming measures installed instead is not particularly difficult, it’s about the same. This idea of complete and widespread reinterpretation of public space? It doesn’t make sense here.\n
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          The particular road from the OP is a main road through rural space between major locations. By American standards it would be considered idyllic.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/2dde2d99-c535-4561-b731-55dc1cffcea1.png)\n
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          Parts of the road already have traffic calming measures.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/1ddc3303-df7d-4b14-bfe1-5e80ee991019.png)\n
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          This is very easily expanded upon with the addition of chicanes, which are in wide use (hundreds of thousands) across the country.\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/d81cfff0-d030-4873-82aa-3ff60596a899.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/5fa63dc3-bd1d-4b5a-93e1-9bbe4a350e8d.png)\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/0421294d-ce9c-403b-abd6-e34c9ecbe716.png)#\n
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          ![](https://hexbear.net/pictrs/image/89d4af93-3457-4abb-9614-acbdf0dc0f23.png)\n
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          There’s no “reimagining” needed here. People don’t need to develop a new consciousness of public space. We do not live in a country that is utterly obsessed with cars like america. And we aren’t opposed to limiting them. There are zero political barriers to this, the only barrier is the profit/revenue barrier of the traffic camera obsessed crowd. I must stress, I am not just cherrypicking out rare projects that look good. This shit is bog standard, everywhere in the country already. In every town, in every village, in every city. Outisde every school. In every residential area. All over the country.\n
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          It is categorically not the same environment here and we do not share the same political barriers or problems.
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    I couldn’t care less. These cameras exist entirely to make councils money. When they actually want traffic slowed they redesign the road properly with traffic islands.\n
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    Destroying these cameras is a good thing. It either fucks over council revenue sources that mainly fuck the poor while affecting the rich not one bit, or it results in getting actual redesigns of the roads properly because they do actually want that road to be safer.\n
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          I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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          Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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          The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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          Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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          This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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          Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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        See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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        I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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        The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
        \n
        [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
        \n
        [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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        [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
        \n
        [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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        [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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        Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
        \n
        [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
        \n
        The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
        \n
        Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
        \n
        What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
        \n
        The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
        \n
        Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
        \n
        Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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        [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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        Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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        On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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        I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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        There were also a number of extremely large google docs projects but I don’t have links to them, others might.
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          I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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          Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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          The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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          Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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          This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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          Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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        See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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        I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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        The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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        \n
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        \n
        [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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        [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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        [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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        [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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        [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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        [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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        Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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        [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
        \n
        The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
        \n
        Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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        What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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        The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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        Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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        Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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        [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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        Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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        You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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            I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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            Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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            Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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            This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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            Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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          I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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          The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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          [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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          [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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          [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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          [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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          [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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          [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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          Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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          [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
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          The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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          Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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          What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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          The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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          Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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          Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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          [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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          Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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          You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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    On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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    I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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    There were also a number of extremely large google docs projects but I don’t have links to them, others might.
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            I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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            Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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            The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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            Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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            This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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            Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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          I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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          The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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          \n
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          \n
          [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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          [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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          [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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          [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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          [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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          [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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          Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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          [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
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          The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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          Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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          What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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          The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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          Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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          Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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          [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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          Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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          You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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    On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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    I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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    There were also a number of extremely large google docs projects but I don’t have links to them, others might.
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            I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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            Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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            The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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            Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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            This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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            Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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          I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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          The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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          \n
          [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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          [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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          [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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          [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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          [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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          [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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          Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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          [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
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          The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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          Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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          What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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          The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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          Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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          Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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          [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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          Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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    On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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    I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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    There were also a number of extremely large google docs projects but I don’t have links to them, others might.
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          On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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          I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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          Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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          The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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          Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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          This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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          Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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          You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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    See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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    I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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    The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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    [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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    [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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    [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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    [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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    [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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    [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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    Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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    [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
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    The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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    Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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    What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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    The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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    Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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    Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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    [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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          On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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          I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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          I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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          Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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          The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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          Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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          This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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          Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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          You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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    See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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    I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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    The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
    \n
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    \n
    [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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    [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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    [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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    [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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    [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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    [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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    Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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    [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
    \n
    The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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    Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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    What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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    The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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    Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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    Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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    [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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          I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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          Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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          The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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          Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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          This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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          Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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          You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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    See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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    I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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    The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
    \n
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    [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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    [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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    [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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    [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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    [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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    Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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    [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
    \n
    The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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    Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
    \n
    What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
    \n
    The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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    Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
    \n
    Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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    [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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          On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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          I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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          There were also a number of extremely large google docs projects but I don’t have links to them, others might.
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          See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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          I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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          The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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          \n
          [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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          [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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          [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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          [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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          [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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          [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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          Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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          [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
          \n
          The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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          Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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          What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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          The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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          Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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          Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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          [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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          Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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          You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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    I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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    Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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    The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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    Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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    This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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    Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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          I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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          There were also a number of extremely large google docs projects but I don’t have links to them, others might.
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          See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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          I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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          The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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          [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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          [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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          [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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          [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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          [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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          Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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          [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
          \n
          The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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          Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
          \n
          What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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          The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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          Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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          Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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          [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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          Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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          You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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    I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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    Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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    The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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    Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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    This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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    Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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          I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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          There were also a number of extremely large google docs projects but I don’t have links to them, others might.
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          See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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          I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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          The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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          \n
          [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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          [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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          [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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          [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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          [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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          [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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          Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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          [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
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          The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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          Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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          What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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          The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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          Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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          Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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          [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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          Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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    I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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    Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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    The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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    Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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    This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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    Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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          I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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            I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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            Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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            The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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            Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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            This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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            Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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          I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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          The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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          ---\n
          \n
          ---\n
          \n
          [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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          [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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          [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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          [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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          [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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          [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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          Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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          [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
          \n
          The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
          \n
          Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
          \n
          What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
          \n
          The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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          Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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          Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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          [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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    Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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    You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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          On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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          I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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            I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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            Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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            The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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            Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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            This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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            Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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          I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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          The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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          [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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          [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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          [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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          [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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          [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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          [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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          Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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          [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
          \n
          The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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          Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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          What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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          The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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          Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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          Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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          [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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    Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.\n
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    You don’t give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
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          On hexbear? I don’t think so, lemmygrad has one though: [lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true](https://lemmygrad.ml/post/216267?scrollToComments=true)\n
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          I also strongly recommend [www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang](https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang) as another option.\n
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            I’ll ignore the fact that you’re lying about what got you banned for this response.\n
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            Even the [western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8555142/Wikileaks-no-bloodshed-inside-Tiananmen-Square-cables-claim.html), which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.\n
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            The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it’s more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.\n
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            Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won’t run into this problem. You’re getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you’re further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.\n
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            This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.\n
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            Learn properly: [archive.ph/24zzF](https://archive.ph/24zzF)
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          See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.\n
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          I’m going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you’ll read some of it.\n
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          The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.\n
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          \n
          [CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/there-was-no-tiananmen-square-massacre/)\n
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          [BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”](http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8057762.stm)\n
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          [NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.](https://www.nytimes.com/1989/06/13/world/turmoil-china-tiananmen-crackdown-student-s-account-questioned-major-points.html)\n
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          [REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.](https://earnshaw.com/writings/memoirs/tiananmen-story)\n
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          [200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops.](https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/06/tiananmen-the-empires-big-lie/).\n
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          [A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”](https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/89BEIJING18828_a.html)\n
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          Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.\n
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          [Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”](https://worldaffairs.blog/2019/06/02/tiananmen-square-massacre-facts-fiction-and-propaganda/)\n
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          The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 ([translated here](https://web.archive.org/web/20230611063122/https://www.mango-press.com/report-on-stopping-unrest-and-quelling-counter-revolutionary-riots/)) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.\n
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          Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.\n
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          What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?\n
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          The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.\n
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          Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we’re talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn’t die from old age that year, none of this would’ve happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with “freedom” or “democracy” or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we’re talking about.\n
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          Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he’s fucked around Korea and Laos, so it’s not a stretch to say he’s likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his “post” CIA career he’s acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and “helped” South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election “democratically”, and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.\n
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          [In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BcfxpzK9Oy7oT9TCkJMEA6GaKcTOKu-FhCABj4TsidM/pub)
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    A few weeks?\n
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    Mate please check my profile. I have been here for 3 fucking years. Lemmy did not magically appear in a few weeks that is incredibly offensive to the sheer amount of work my comrades have put in to make it.\n
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    And calling their work “the invisible hand of the market” is also nonsensical. Because the forces driving its creation, and the rest of us communists that support it, are the destruction of the markets. There is not one single jot of profit motive involved in Lemmy. You seem to recognise *some* of the problems of capitalism but consistently come to incorrect conclusions about everything because you have spent no time whatsoever getting a real political education and understanding the forces at work.\n
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    And you fail to ask yourself what happens to your “market forces” alternative to reddit. In any scenario where the market is responsible for replacing reddit the market will also bring it back to exactly the same point of self-destruction through pursuit of capital. You will hurt yourself all over again.
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