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How to update the BIOS on a Dell laptop running Linux\n
=====================================================\n
\n
### For models not supported by [lvfs](https://fwupd.org/)\n
\n
### Completed successfully on a Dell Inspiron 3595 running Manjaro\n
\n
This fix does not require Manjaro, it should work on any distro.\n
\n
It took me a looong time to figure out how to do this for various reasons, and there are a *lot* of forum posts on the net about this exact problem. So for posterity I offer up this guide for any future googlers.\n
\n
**TLDR for advanced users:** Use Ventoy to boot the Windows 10 installer and open the command prompt in the “Repair my PC” menu to launch the Dell BIOS update executable from a second USB.\n
\n
1. Grab two USBs that are at least 8 GB in capacity.\n
2. Download the BIOS update file from the Dell support website.\n
3. Copy it to the first USB. Mine was formatted as NTFS but I don’t think it’s critical to the process.\n
4. Download [Ventoy](https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy). If you’ve never heard of this, spend a minute reading about it. It’s a cool tool.\n
5. Flash Ventoy to your **second** USB.\n
6. Acquire an .iso of Windows 10. I chose Windows 10 because Windows 7 didn’t boot on my laptop (not sure why), and Windows 11 was too heavy for the CPU. I also tried Freedos but my laptop only has UEFI boot enabled, and no legacy option, which is apparently not supported. **Note - you don’t actually need to install or activate Windows in any way** so I didn’t feel it was necessary to be too picky about how I acquired the image.\n
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14. Watch the magic happen and don’t freak out if it reboots more than once - just let it do its thing until it’s finished.\n
15. (Optional) boot into the BIOS to confirm that the update has been successful (check the version number).\n
\n
The entire process was fairly quick, less than 5 mintes, and it automatically rebooted twice. The only indication I had that it was finished was that on the third reboot it booted back into Linux. I went back into the BIOS later to confirm that the BIOS version number matched the version number on the Dell website (in this case, 1.5.0).
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How to update the BIOS on a Dell laptop running Linux\n
=====================================================\n
\n
### For models not supported by [lvfs](https://fwupd.org/)\n
\n
### Completed successfully on a Dell Inspiron 3595 running Manjaro\n
\n
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It took me a looong time to figure out how to do this for various reasons, and there are a *lot* of forum posts on the net about this exact problem. So for posterity I offer up this guide for any future googlers.\n
\n
**TLDR for advanced users:** Use Ventoy to boot the Windows 10 installer and open the command prompt in the “Repair my PC” menu to launch the Dell BIOS update executable from a second USB.\n
\n
1. Grab two USBs that are at least 8 GB in capacity.\n
2. Download the BIOS update file from the Dell support website.\n
3. Copy it to the first USB. Mine was formatted as NTFS but I don’t think it’s critical to the process.\n
4. Download [Ventoy](https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy). If you’ve never heard of this, spend a minute reading about it. It’s a cool tool.\n
5. Flash Ventoy to your **second** USB.\n
6. Acquire an .iso of Windows 10. I chose Windows 10 because Windows 7 didn’t boot on my laptop (not sure why), and Windows 11 was too heavy for the CPU. I also tried Freedos but my laptop only has UEFI boot enabled, and no legacy option, which is apparently not supported. **Note - you don’t actually need to install or activate Windows in any way** so I didn’t feel it was necessary to be too picky about how I acquired the image.\n
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8. Boot from the Ventoy USB and select Windows 10. (F12 on most Dell laptops to interrupt the boot sequence)\n
9. Click “Repair my PC” in the bottom left hand corner - DO NOT install.\n
10. Click on the “Use command prompt” option which should be in the “Troubleshoot” menu.\n
11. Insert your first USB with the Dell BIOS update file on it.\n
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13. Type the name of the BIOS update file to execute. For example: `Inspiron_3595_1.5.0.exe`If you forget the name of the file, type `dir` to get a list of files in the current directory.\n
14. Watch the magic happen and don’t freak out if it reboots more than once - just let it do its thing until it’s finished.\n
15. (Optional) boot into the BIOS to confirm that the update has been successful (check the version number).\n
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### For models not supported by [lvfs](https://fwupd.org/)\n
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### For models not supported by [lvfs](https://fwupd.org/)\n
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How to update the BIOS on a Dell laptop running Linux\n
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\n
### For models not supported by [lvfs](https://fwupd.org/)\n
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\n
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\n
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1. Grab two USBs that are at least 8 GB in capacity.\n
2. Download the BIOS update file from the Dell support website.\n
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4. Download [Ventoy](https://github.com/ventoy/Ventoy). If you’ve never heard of this, spend a minute reading about it. It’s a cool tool.\n
5. Flash Ventoy to your **second** USB.\n
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9. Click “Repair my PC” in the bottom left hand corner - DO NOT install.\n
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\n
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### For models not supported by [lvfs](https://fwupd.org/)\n
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\n
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### For models not supported by [lvfs](https://fwupd.org/)\n
\n
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\n
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### For models not supported by [lvfs](https://fwupd.org/)\n
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\n
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2. Download the BIOS update file from the Dell support website.\n
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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You can but there isn’t a lot of choice, Octopi is pretty much the only other pacman GUI besides Pamac that’s sufficiently fleshed out. All the others are either just package searchers or CLI-only.\n
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And Manjaro also has the Manjaro Settings Manager, which includes the kernel management module and the hardware drivers management module.
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+body: "If what you describe were true it would make AUR packages fail (on any Arch distro) if the user failed to upgrade their system each time, every time an update came out. The two week delay practiced by Manjaro is a completely arbitrary period of timen in the grand scheme of things. There are users who only upgrade once a month or even more seldom and nothing like this happens to them."
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I’m saying that your problems are with AUR not Manjaro. It’s entirely possible you stumbled across some AUR packages that at a given time didn’t play nice with the official packages. The AUR is huge, it can happen.\n
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But it could have also happened on Arch proper, two weeks earlier, no? The official packages were the same at that time.\n
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I think you were put off Manjaro because it happened while you were on it and if you were to try again it could be different. But once we catch a bias against something it’s hard to revisit it.\n
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I’m biased against Ubuntu and love Debian, for example, even though I realize that my issues with Ubuntu had to do with the way .deb repositories work and could happen with Debian, or that done of the things I disliked were just defaults that I could (and did) change.\n
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Ultimately it’s as much a question of chemistry or vibing with a distro as with anything, and sometimes it helps to move to another distro even if they’re closely related under the hood.
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So I’ve been iso live testing Manjaro KDE Plasma lately and it looks very polished.\n
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On the other hand, there is a negative vibe towards it.\n
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Why the hate?
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I have something like 70 AUR packages on Manjaro and doing fine. Yes, they break every once in a while. They break on Arch too.\n
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The thing is, *you have to update AUR packages.* They’re compiled against a certain system state and they will break eventually as the system updates. This will happen with source packages on any distro. It has nothing to do with Manjaro.
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> if your use the AUR with Manjaro, your system will break.\n
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If your system breaks because of AUR it means you’re using AUR wrong… you’re not supposed to use AUR packages for critical system functions. It will break on Arch too if you do that.
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That’s not how source packages work. The only way they’d break is in case of major upstream changes. Which do happen, but the only inconvenience would be recompiling the package. Which you’re supposed to do anyway.\n
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Do you reinstall your AUR packages after an update? If yes, you will never see them break on Manjaro or Arch. If you don’t, they will break on both Manjaro and Arch.
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