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Except we aren't talking about two people, are we? We're talking about entire populations of people.\n
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And when people have their needs met, they are more able to be productive. And they are more likely to believe in the good of the system that supports them, as they can see the tangible results of that system in their daily life. They can see how their contribution to the system benefits them. Making them more likely to be happy to contribute.\n
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Will some percentage of people under-contribute because of laziness? Sure. But who cares? That percentage is small. And we have the technology to compensate many times over now.\n
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Why the hell do we make society more miserable for everyone, forcing everyone to live under the threat of poverty if they don't work, just to force this small percentage to work against their will? Not to mention completely screw over anyone who cannot work for reasons beyond their control, because we subject them to this insane level of scrutiny because we're paranoid that they might just be lazy.\n
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... capitalism is the ideology that lets the 1% be the 1%.\n
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
\n
I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
\n
So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
\n
We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
\n
He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
\n
I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
\n
So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
\n
We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
\n
He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
\n
He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
\n
He's been quite clear about it.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
\n
Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
\n
I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
\n
So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
\n
We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
\n
He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
\n
He's been quite clear about it.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
\n
I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
\n
So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
\n
He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
\n
He's been quite clear about it.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
\n
I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
\n
So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
\n
Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
\n
In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
\n
And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
\n
In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
\n
I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
\n
So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
\n
Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
\n
I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
\n
That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
\n
Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
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> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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do the right wing guys think it’s like a draco malfoy thing where they’re a good guy underneath?\n
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like when it’s like a lady and a cop and the lady seems like a normal sorta boring suburban lady\n
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do you know what i mean. this is one of the things where if you try to ask an AI bot it yells at you
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I didn't comment about who you voted for. \n
I commented on the deflection.
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No. Read again. He quoted me saying "you might simply value other things more", and responded with "Correct. My priorities are: 1, 2, 3. If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it."\n
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He values his personal wealth and comfort over the struggles of minorities. At best, he does not care about the plight of minoritised people. If a politician or policy offers him a benefit, but will increase the suffering of people who are not in his in-group, he still supports that policy. If a policy or politician focuses on alleviating suffering, but may come at some perceived expense to him, he opposes it.\n
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He's been quite clear about it.
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My entire life, for pretty much every progressive issue, has been filled with people saying "We agree with your cause but not the way you are going about it." literally no matter what "going about it" looks like.\n
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Every effective proposition is shot down. There is no "solution" that is ever acceptable. Because changing the status quo is always interpreted as too radical.\n
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So... I'm not keen on playing these kinds of stupid games?
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> And that’s precisely the attitude that prevents people from having a civil debate. By manipulating definitions and using them to represent your opponent as an inhuman villain (or, in your own words, monsters), you’re the one trying to remove someone’s humanity.\n
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Ironic. By representing a differing view as "manipulating definitions" like this, you pretend I'm engaging in the conversation maliciously, and completely ignore what I'm saying. You aren't going to get closer to understanding other people unless you engage in good faith.\n
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In the eyes of progressives, conservative politicians undermine the dignity of minorities. You might not agree with that, you might not care about that, you might simply value other things more.\n
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And cut the hyperbole. I haven't tried to remove your humanity. Do you really not know what that is like?
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Literally how? \n
You enumerated your priorities, and to quote you: "If a policy helps that cause, I’m in favor of it. If it doesn’t, I’m probably opposed to it." \n
Eliminating discrimination is not among the priorities you listed.
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So you value you personal wealth ad comfort more than the ability of minorities to live their lives free of discrimination.\n
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I don't get why you get so insulted when people point this out?
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He said that he values those more than dignity of minorities. Like, not implied it, directly said it.\n
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So no. I'm not putting a single word in his mouth.
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> The real issue is an inability to agree to disagree.\n
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That's not a fair representation of the people you are talking about. We can agree to disagree about a lot of things. But not about the humanity, dignity, and freedom of people.\n
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We will *never* agree to disagree about other people's humanity. Being willing to do so would make us monsters.
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There's a reason why the feminist saying "the personal is political" is so threatening. Because it denies precisely the reasoning seen above and elsewhere in this thread.\n
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Conservatives often complain about progressives ending relationships and friendships over "politics". Because they want to draw a hard line between the two, where as long as they behave civilly to people's faces, it doesn't matter when they vote to make the same people's lives materially worse. Because "politics" is something... I don't know, abstract?
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Police violence, particularly against people of colour. Protests? Too disruptive! Literally just kneeling? Too disrespectful!\n
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Even MLK Jr. mentioned this in his letter from a Birmingham jail:\n
\n
> First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
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