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I’m assuming you are asking about the first part?\n
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As would be expected, when tagged this way both result in ballistic patterns as if particles and not waves.\n
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If the explanation for why it goes from a wave to a particle in the first place is something like “it was disturbed by the act of measurement”, adding *additional* disturbance would seem like the last thing to get it back to behaving like a wave, right?\n
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The variation suggests that the collapse of the wave function relates to the continued existence of recoverable information about the photon, not necessarily the physical mechanics of its measurement at that instant in time.\n
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As for the other comments I made, the TL;DR is that there’s easily a dozen different interpretations of why quantum weirdness occurs among physicists, and so very often when you see someone saying “this is how it works” what you are really seeing is “this is how it works in the theory I subscribe to” but a different physicist might have a very different explanation.\n
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The variation suggests that the collapse of the wave function relates to the continued existence of recoverable information about the photon, not necessarily the physical mechanics of its measurement at that instant in time.\n
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Also, their interpretation of what’s happening largely falls apart with the quantum eraser variations.\n
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Also, their interpretation of what’s happening largely falls apart with the quantum eraser variations.\n
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If it’s collapse from mechanical measurement side effects, why does it go back to an interference pattern when which path information is erased by a polarizer?
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Also, their interpretation of what’s happening largely falls apart with the quantum eraser variations.\n
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If it’s collapse from mechanical measurement side effects, why does it go back to an interference pattern when which path information is erased by a polarizer?
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One of the key points that the “it’s just mechanical interactions, bro” crowd should be more aware of though are the quantum eraser variations (not the delayed choice quantum eraser).\n
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There is still something rather bizarre about mechanical interactions that measure which path information being sufficient to collapse on their own but suddenly insufficient when something like polarization which erases which path information is added back in later in the chain.\n
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Also, it’s worth declaring when giving an answer like this that you are operating under the assumptions of QFT, and that this isn’t necessarily **for sure** what’s going on. For example, I’d imagine there’s Bohemian mechanics adherents still around somewhere that would take issue with your “it doesn’t exist as a single point in spacetime until it’s measured.”
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One of the key points that the “it’s just mechanical interactions, bro” crowd should be more aware of though are the quantum eraser variations (not the delayed choice quantum eraser).\n
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One of the key points that the “it’s just mechanical interactions, bro” crowd should be more aware of though are the quantum eraser variations (not the delayed choice quantum eraser).\n
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It’s not a conspiracy.\n
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It’s straight up some of the ways in which various accredited physicists were explaining how and why it does the weird things it does.\n
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Eugene Wigner further doubled down on the theory, and has the rare distinction of being one of the few people whose gedankenexperiment [eventually ended up realizing the very counterintuitive result it was proposed to explore](https://www.science.org/content/article/quantum-paradox-points-shaky-foundations-reality).\n
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Thinking outside the box and from all different angles to try and understand counterintuitive experimental results.\n
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While it doesn’t address the topic of consciousness, you might find some of how this sort of “backwards in time change” is being applied today interesting:\n
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[phys.org/…/2023-10-simulations-scientific.html](https://phys.org/news/2023-10-simulations-scientific.html)\n
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Again, the theory would be that collapse (including the state of what is on the paper) occurs upon review of the paper.\n
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Not everything needs to be a team sport, and a variety of interpretations tends to be a good thing as each prompts different types of experiments by their various supporters.
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Again, the theory would be that collapse (including the state of what is on the paper) occurs upon review of the paper.\n
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Again, the theory would be that collapse (including the state of what is on the paper) occurs upon review of the paper.\n
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There’s actually no way to prove or disprove consciousness collapse theories, as even if an unmonitored detector causes collapse, you only know about it when a consciousness is reviewing the data. So at best it can be said that *direct* consciousness collapse theories aren’t true, but AFAIK the ones still around are all indirect (i.e. collapse occurs at the point you are reviewing the data).\n
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There’s actually no way to prove or disprove consciousness collapse theories, as even if an unmonitored detector causes collapse, you only know about it when a consciousness is reviewing the data. So at best it can be said that *direct* consciousness collapse theories aren’t true, but AFAIK the ones still around are all indirect (i.e. collapse occurs at the point you are reviewing the data).\n
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All QM interpretations are up in the air, and an appeal to Copenhagen interpretation is probably one of the most nonsensical given a specific interpretation [doesn’t even exist](https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qm-copenhagen/) for that one and it’s effectively just become euphemistic for “shut up and calculate.”
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There’s actually no way to prove or disprove consciousness collapse theories, as even if an unmonitored detector causes collapse, you only know about it when a consciousness is reviewing the data. So at best it can be said that *direct* consciousness collapse theories aren’t true, but AFAIK the ones still around are all indirect (i.e. collapse occurs at the point you are reviewing the data).\n
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You’re close to the crux of the issue.\n
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You’re close to the crux of the issue.\n
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The real issue at hand is whether or not we’re talking about moral relativism or absolutism.\n
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If we are endorsing relativism, then all actions have a relative frame of reference by which they are justified (i.e. Bob’s killing Jane).\n
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My stance is that in terms of absolutism, there is no such thing as justified mass violence, and that while it is certainly possible for mass violence to be a lesser evil absolutely, and thus easily argued as a moral good relative to the alternative, that ultimately it remains an evil under all circumstances objectively, and at best can be a lesser evil regarded absolutely.
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Bob needed a new heart to survive, but the waiting list was too long.\n
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Bob killed his next door neighbor Jane, cutting out her heart and taking it to a back alley surgeon in order to survive.\n
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Bob was justified in doing this, because whatever is necessary is justified.
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