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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
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With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
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No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
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\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
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Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
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Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
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No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
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Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
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With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
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Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
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\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
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Have a good day.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
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Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
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With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
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Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
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No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
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Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
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With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
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Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
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No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
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Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
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With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
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Have a good day.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
\n
Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
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Have a good day.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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🙂 my bad\n
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No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
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\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
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Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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🙂 my bad\n
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No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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🙂 my bad\n
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No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
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Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
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With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
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Have a good day.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
\n
Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
\n
Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
\n
Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
\n
Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
\n
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
\n
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🙂 my bad\n
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No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
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With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
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Have a good day.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
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Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
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Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
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\n
This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
\n
With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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When you’re talking to an open source dev, just remember that they are literally giving you their time for free, and they are people who don’t like to be treated poorly.\n
\n
Edit: Just to be clear, I don’t mean any ill will toward the guy. He’s frustrated and he’s just taking it out in the wrong venue at the wrong people, but that doesn’t mean he’s a bad person.\n
\n
Edit 2: The reinstalling he’s talking about is NPM. So just running `npm install`. It’s because he tried removing the `node_modules` directory, which is a reasonable thing to do, but it means you need to reinstall the modules with that command.
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No. It’s provided without warranty nor guarantee that it’ll work or even leave your system intact. That’s the core of most opensource licenses. Dev owes nobody nothing.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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If that’s what you get from a paid product, why would you assume it’s better for a free product?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Then you’re right. The frustration would be understandable, the expression thereof towards the developer, not.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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It’s a non-commercial copyleft licence for the comment in case the case against Microsoft’s CoPilot is won.\n
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Just to be sure, is this a serious question or a troll?\n
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🙂 my bad\n
\n
No, not sue me for lemmy comments. AI is trained with lots of data. The world wide web is full of publicly accessible data like our comments. However, not all publicly accessible data may be used without a license. Examples thereof are news paper articles, videos, still pictures, etc. Normally, if you want to use those commercially, consent has to be given by the license holder and a in some cases a fee has to be paid.\n
\n
Microsoft Copilot is an AI model to help people write code. However, it was trained mostly on opensource code (code made publicly available) which was very often licensed. And it is done so in such a manner that commercial use is allowed with the obligation to make that commercial code publicly available too. Microsoft does not make the code for Copilot publicly accessible and uses code licensed in many, many other ways - and it does so without asking for consent.\n
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This is often a double standard as companies that hide their code fight very hard to keep it secret and/or pursue those in court who do not get a license to use it. However, they will happily use licensed consent to their benefit without consent nor potential payment.\n
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With some clever tricks, AIs have been duped into revealing their training data (often licensed, sometimes very private e.g addresses, birthday, health information, etc.). Lawsuits have ensued (against the AI owners like Microsoft) and are currently active with a pending verdict. Until the verdicts come, I add the license link to my comments. Who knows, maybe it will have an impact, maybe not.\n
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Hopefully I could explain the situation in an understandable manner for you.\n
\n
Have a good day.\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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“You should own what you pay for” to put it another way, I think.\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
\n
Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
\n
- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
\n
> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
\n
Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
\n
- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
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3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
\n
Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
\n
- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
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3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
\n
There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
\n
> What is your solution to this problem?\n
\n
Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
\n
DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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+title: "Could we add "Distrochooser" to the sidebar?"
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
\n
There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
\n
> What is your solution to this problem?\n
\n
Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
\n
DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
\n
It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
\n
- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
\n
- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
\n
Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
\n
- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
\n
> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
\n
Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
\n
- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
\n
DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
\n
Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
\n
I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
\n
Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
\n
- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
\n
DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
\n
I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
\n
1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
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\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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+title: "Could we add "Distrochooser" to the sidebar?"
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
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\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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+body: "No matter what I choose, I have to scroll literally to at least half or the end of the page to see Tails. Congrats on finding it in the list, I guess?"
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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+title: "Could we add "Distrochooser" to the sidebar?"
+url: "https://distrochooser.de/"
+body: "Quite a few posts about selecting a distro to use. Maybe it’s time to make that link a little more prominent?"
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
\n
Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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+body: "No matter what I choose, I have to scroll literally to at least half or the end of the page to see Tails. Congrats on finding it in the list, I guess?"
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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> And where does adding Distrochooser to the sidebar come into plan?\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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> Have you perhaps thought of other possible solutions and why they might be inferior to the suggested one?\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
- write bot --> I ain’t got the time, maybe somebody has, dunno what the bot would do\n
- find alternative website --> I ain’t got the time\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)\n
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P.S thanks for teaching me a new thing: XY problem :)
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Yeah, I disagree. It’s the least subjective resource I can find as nobody asks the questions on that questionnaire here. I’d much prefer it if people used distrochooser and then shared their answers (e.g [distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/](https://distrochooser.de/en/d5b60b6e6134/)), wrote some extra stuff e.g “I want NVIDIA support because I want CUDA” or something, and based on that, we recommend distros. Instead of the herd mentality of “duh, linux mint stoopeed”\n
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That’s what bots are for: an automated response like “have you tried XXX? share the link to the results here with additional information if you think the questionnaire didn’t consider an aspect important to you”.\n
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It’s a soft response without banning anybody.
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IMO you’re thinking too much as an advanced user for a simple user. The only point I agree on is the NVIDIA GPU. If you feel up to it, contribute. The website’s code is on Github [github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser](https://github.com/distrochooser/distrochooser)\n
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I’ve never heard of nor used Garuda. As I said, feel free to contribute.\n
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> Do you feel the same way about excellent websites like DistroWatch.com and DistroSea?\n
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Never heard of DistroSea. It seem like a good complement to DistroChooser. It works for most usecases:\n
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- narrow down what fits for you by answering a questionnaire (DistroChooser)\n
- if you feel like it, test a few of the suggested distros from the questionnaire on DistroSea\n
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DistroWatch as useful as statista.com for suggesting your next travel destination. If you had to travel somewhere and had a list of criteria, but didn’t want to spend all day researching, would you go to a travel agent or open an encyclopedia?\n
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I think many in the community, like yourself, have forgotten what it’s like to give just enough of a fuck to change something but not to want to be too invested. A beginner isn’t going to want to understand why a system is stable or not: they just want a stable system. You don’t have to explain to them “Yeah, so the configuration is a file, you see? Only you edit that file. Then you run this command that interprets the file and build a dependency tree, downloads everything necessary, to a partition that’s temporarily mounted as read-write, symlinks to…”. Nobody cares. The average user DGAF.\n
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Imagine if you just wanted to get a vacuum cleaner at the store with 3 criteria. Imagine you don’t give a rat’s ass about vacuum cleaner. You just want to point the thing at the ground, let it succ all the bits, but as quietly as possible, and not break down in 2 years to force you back out here. But the sales person you get harps on about the genius of the person who invented some internal component you’ve never heard of, goes on to explain why, ideologically, getting a certain brand is the only way because blablablabla. Maybe you’d buy a vacuum cleaner just to shut them up or walk out of the store. \n
My optimal experience would be the sales person listening to me, lining up the best candidates, and explaining, in bullet points, why they are there. Then finally, ask me if I have a favorite and to give me a test environment. If I don’t understand something, I can ask more questions.\n
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1. narrow down options --> DistroChooser\n
2. test them --> DistroSea\n
3. more questions --> right here\n
\n
[CC BY-NC-SA 4.0](https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/)
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> Ultimately, what are you trying to achieve (and why); what is the problem even?\n
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There have been complaints in posts about people asking for advice on which disto to use, that there are too many such posts.\n
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> What is your solution to this problem?\n
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Provide users the tools to possibly answer the question themselves before creating a post.\n
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DistroChooser is a self-help tool for that purpose.\n
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- keep answering posts --> more complaints, possibly silent quitting of community\n
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Thanks for the thoughtful response, but I disagree with a lot of things you said. I could quote everything I disagree with and write a paragraph, however it would be a meaningless endeavor as a moderator looking at the post would probably decide against adding distrochooser to the sidebar - regardless of my opinions.\n
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Cheers\n
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