GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/m/mensliberation@lemmy.ca/comments/oldest?p=10

Response
200 OK
IP
3.138.35.114
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Token
dd06bc

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

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user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
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access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
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2 
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5 
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6 
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7 
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12 
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13 
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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      ---\n
      \n
      Rules\n
      -----\n
      \n
      Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
      \n
      Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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      Assume good faith— Do not call other submitters’ personal experiences into question. —\n
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      No bigotry— Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated. —\n
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      No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
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      \n
      ##### Recommended Reading\n
      \n
      - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
      - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
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      ---\n
      \n
      ##### Related Communities\n
      \n
      !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
      !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
      !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
      \n
      ---
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      -----\n
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      No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
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      ---\n
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      ##### Recommended Reading\n
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      - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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      ---\n
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      ##### Related Communities\n
      \n
      !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
      !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
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      ---
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      \n
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      -----\n
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      Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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      Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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      No bigotry— Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated. —\n
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      No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
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      ##### Recommended Reading\n
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      - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
      - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
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      ##### Related Communities\n
      \n
      !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
      !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
      !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
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      i’m trans, though. i don’t really understand the position of (often) cis men who don’t feel like this. maybe they’ve been told their own power is contingent on the system functioning as intended. maybe they’re just afraid, i get that\n
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      i haven’t lived an easy life, but it’s worth shouldering the burden to help make other people’s lives easier, too. it is what needs to be done, if we want to see a better society than the one we’ve grown up in\n
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    So I was in a very stereotypically chauvinist situation last week: Two colleagues and I took a customer (all 4 of us men) out for lunch after(/as part of) a sales call. After the waitress left to put in our orders, the customer made a pre-excuse and then joked something like\n
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        > Zeno Franco, who studies heroism and post-traumatic stress disorder at the Medical College of Wisconsin, thinks that we can turn masculine norms against sexual harassment and assault. “When has it ever been an acceptable norm that men instill fear in women? When has it ever been an acceptable norm that men turn a blind eye when other men harm women?”\n
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        sometimes, there are things i see and need to act on because i couldn’t rightfully call myself a man if i didn’t\n
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        i’m trans, though. i don’t really understand the position of (often) cis men who don’t feel like this. maybe they’ve been told their own power is contingent on the system functioning as intended. maybe they’re just afraid, i get that\n
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        part of my ability to do this is that i’ve already been through hell. i know that if i mess up and do something to jeopardize my life, i can figure it out and fix it. i’ll survive. and it will have been worth it. maybe they don’t know that, they don’t have that kind of confidence in themselves\n
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        i’m also decent in a fight and i’ve spent some time learning communication and de-escalation skills (shoutout nonviolent communication) and i’ve spent over a decade in therapy\n
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        but i’ve always thought we should be speaking to men this way - are you really strong if you can’t protect those weaker than you? not to *shame* them about being weak; sometimes you are and that’s the reality of things. but is it truly strong to hoard power for yourself? how confident can you say you really are, if you’re afraid to use some of it for the benefit of others?\n
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        i haven’t lived an easy life, but it’s worth shouldering the burden to help make other people’s lives easier, too. it is what needs to be done, if we want to see a better society than the one we’ve grown up in\n
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        (i generalized a lot of this because the abuse of power, while *influenced* by gender, is not *defined* by gender)
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      So I was in a very stereotypically chauvinist situation last week: Two colleagues and I took a customer (all 4 of us men) out for lunch after(/as part of) a sales call. After the waitress left to put in our orders, the customer made a pre-excuse and then joked something like\n
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    completely understandable, it sounds like it totally came out of the blue. i’ve gotten caught off guard a lot by shit like this too and been unsure of how to react, definitely don’t feel bad about it\n
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    “well, that’s definitely putting a rack on a shelf”\n
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    *they try to explain it without sounding sexist but sound sexist and feel silly afterwards*\n
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    honestly though, i would have asked them to explain it anyways. you clearly sensed the intent behind it, so i totally get that it was sexist. but like, wtf does that even mean?? putting a rack on a shelf? huh??? i would have filled in the details more but i genuinely don’t get it 💀💀💀\n
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    anyways, i’m sorry you had to hear that kind of shit from a client. it’s tough because i’m sure that’s a situation where you have to be really cognizant of the relationship. fwiw, you don’t need to chase them down or be really mean about the whole thing; usually getting them to realize by *themselves* that they’re being sexist is enough. you can just be pretty apologetic about not understanding their “joke”
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    completely understandable, it sounds like it totally came out of the blue. i’ve gotten caught off guard a lot by shit like this too and been unsure of how to react, definitely don’t feel bad about it\n
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        but i’ve always thought we should be speaking to men this way - are you really strong if you can’t protect those weaker than you? not to *shame* them about being weak; sometimes you are and that’s the reality of things. but is it truly strong to hoard power for yourself? how confident can you say you really are, if you’re afraid to use some of it for the benefit of others?\n
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        i haven’t lived an easy life, but it’s worth shouldering the burden to help make other people’s lives easier, too. it is what needs to be done, if we want to see a better society than the one we’ve grown up in\n
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        (i generalized a lot of this because the abuse of power, while *influenced* by gender, is not *defined* by gender)
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      So I was in a very stereotypically chauvinist situation last week: Two colleagues and I took a customer (all 4 of us men) out for lunch after(/as part of) a sales call. After the waitress left to put in our orders, the customer made a pre-excuse and then joked something like\n
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    completely understandable, it sounds like it totally came out of the blue. i’ve gotten caught off guard a lot by shit like this too and been unsure of how to react, definitely don’t feel bad about it\n
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    if you manage to get your bearings, if something like that happens again, a good way to approach this sort of situation is to ask the person to explain the joke. so, for example:\n
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    “well, that’s definitely putting a rack on a shelf”\n
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    “haha… yeah uh, what do you mean by that?”\n
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    *they try to explain it without sounding sexist but sound sexist and feel silly afterwards*\n
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    honestly though, i would have asked them to explain it anyways. you clearly sensed the intent behind it, so i totally get that it was sexist. but like, wtf does that even mean?? putting a rack on a shelf? huh??? i would have filled in the details more but i genuinely don’t get it 💀💀💀\n
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    anyways, i’m sorry you had to hear that kind of shit from a client. it’s tough because i’m sure that’s a situation where you have to be really cognizant of the relationship. fwiw, you don’t need to chase them down or be really mean about the whole thing; usually getting them to realize by *themselves* that they’re being sexist is enough. you can just be pretty apologetic about not understanding their “joke”
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          > Zeno Franco, who studies heroism and post-traumatic stress disorder at the Medical College of Wisconsin, thinks that we can turn masculine norms against sexual harassment and assault. “When has it ever been an acceptable norm that men instill fear in women? When has it ever been an acceptable norm that men turn a blind eye when other men harm women?”\n
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          absolutely. i always feel leery about making blanket statements about “what it means to be a man”; but without question, for me, it means protecting those who cannot protect themselves, pushing back and speaking out against those who exercise their power on others without regard for their well being. it means interfering in situations where i think someone will be harmed if i don’t, and trusting myself to be able to improve the situation, not just make it worse\n
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          sometimes, that means risking my own well being, too. i’m smart about it, not reckless; my own well being matters a lot to me too, especially because there are some people who are just fucked if something happens to me. but there are plenty of times i take that risk too and trust that, if things go wrong, they’ll be alright and they’ll understand\n
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          sometimes, there are things i see and need to act on because i couldn’t rightfully call myself a man if i didn’t\n
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          i’m trans, though. i don’t really understand the position of (often) cis men who don’t feel like this. maybe they’ve been told their own power is contingent on the system functioning as intended. maybe they’re just afraid, i get that\n
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          part of my ability to do this is that i’ve already been through hell. i know that if i mess up and do something to jeopardize my life, i can figure it out and fix it. i’ll survive. and it will have been worth it. maybe they don’t know that, they don’t have that kind of confidence in themselves\n
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          i’m also decent in a fight and i’ve spent some time learning communication and de-escalation skills (shoutout nonviolent communication) and i’ve spent over a decade in therapy\n
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          but i’ve always thought we should be speaking to men this way - are you really strong if you can’t protect those weaker than you? not to *shame* them about being weak; sometimes you are and that’s the reality of things. but is it truly strong to hoard power for yourself? how confident can you say you really are, if you’re afraid to use some of it for the benefit of others?\n
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          i haven’t lived an easy life, but it’s worth shouldering the burden to help make other people’s lives easier, too. it is what needs to be done, if we want to see a better society than the one we’ve grown up in\n
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          (i generalized a lot of this because the abuse of power, while *influenced* by gender, is not *defined* by gender)
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      completely understandable, it sounds like it totally came out of the blue. i’ve gotten caught off guard a lot by shit like this too and been unsure of how to react, definitely don’t feel bad about it\n
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      if you manage to get your bearings, if something like that happens again, a good way to approach this sort of situation is to ask the person to explain the joke. so, for example:\n
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      honestly though, i would have asked them to explain it anyways. you clearly sensed the intent behind it, so i totally get that it was sexist. but like, wtf does that even mean?? putting a rack on a shelf? huh??? i would have filled in the details more but i genuinely don’t get it 💀💀💀\n
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      **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
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      Rules\n
      -----\n
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      Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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      ##### Recommended Reading\n
      \n
      - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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      ##### Related Communities\n
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      !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
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          > Zeno Franco, who studies heroism and post-traumatic stress disorder at the Medical College of Wisconsin, thinks that we can turn masculine norms against sexual harassment and assault. “When has it ever been an acceptable norm that men instill fear in women? When has it ever been an acceptable norm that men turn a blind eye when other men harm women?”\n
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          part of my ability to do this is that i’ve already been through hell. i know that if i mess up and do something to jeopardize my life, i can figure it out and fix it. i’ll survive. and it will have been worth it. maybe they don’t know that, they don’t have that kind of confidence in themselves\n
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          i’m also decent in a fight and i’ve spent some time learning communication and de-escalation skills (shoutout nonviolent communication) and i’ve spent over a decade in therapy\n
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          but i’ve always thought we should be speaking to men this way - are you really strong if you can’t protect those weaker than you? not to *shame* them about being weak; sometimes you are and that’s the reality of things. but is it truly strong to hoard power for yourself? how confident can you say you really are, if you’re afraid to use some of it for the benefit of others?\n
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          i haven’t lived an easy life, but it’s worth shouldering the burden to help make other people’s lives easier, too. it is what needs to be done, if we want to see a better society than the one we’ve grown up in\n
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          (i generalized a lot of this because the abuse of power, while *influenced* by gender, is not *defined* by gender)
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        So I was in a very stereotypically chauvinist situation last week: Two colleagues and I took a customer (all 4 of us men) out for lunch after(/as part of) a sales call. After the waitress left to put in our orders, the customer made a pre-excuse and then joked something like\n
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        > well that’s definitely putting a rack on a shelf.\n
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      completely understandable, it sounds like it totally came out of the blue. i’ve gotten caught off guard a lot by shit like this too and been unsure of how to react, definitely don’t feel bad about it\n
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      *they try to explain it without sounding sexist but sound sexist and feel silly afterwards*\n
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      honestly though, i would have asked them to explain it anyways. you clearly sensed the intent behind it, so i totally get that it was sexist. but like, wtf does that even mean?? putting a rack on a shelf? huh??? i would have filled in the details more but i genuinely don’t get it 💀💀💀\n
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          > Zeno Franco, who studies heroism and post-traumatic stress disorder at the Medical College of Wisconsin, thinks that we can turn masculine norms against sexual harassment and assault. “When has it ever been an acceptable norm that men instill fear in women? When has it ever been an acceptable norm that men turn a blind eye when other men harm women?”\n
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          i’m trans, though. i don’t really understand the position of (often) cis men who don’t feel like this. maybe they’ve been told their own power is contingent on the system functioning as intended. maybe they’re just afraid, i get that\n
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          part of my ability to do this is that i’ve already been through hell. i know that if i mess up and do something to jeopardize my life, i can figure it out and fix it. i’ll survive. and it will have been worth it. maybe they don’t know that, they don’t have that kind of confidence in themselves\n
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          but i’ve always thought we should be speaking to men this way - are you really strong if you can’t protect those weaker than you? not to *shame* them about being weak; sometimes you are and that’s the reality of things. but is it truly strong to hoard power for yourself? how confident can you say you really are, if you’re afraid to use some of it for the benefit of others?\n
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          i haven’t lived an easy life, but it’s worth shouldering the burden to help make other people’s lives easier, too. it is what needs to be done, if we want to see a better society than the one we’ve grown up in\n
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          (i generalized a lot of this because the abuse of power, while *influenced* by gender, is not *defined* by gender)
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        So I was in a very stereotypically chauvinist situation last week: Two colleagues and I took a customer (all 4 of us men) out for lunch after(/as part of) a sales call. After the waitress left to put in our orders, the customer made a pre-excuse and then joked something like\n
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      completely understandable, it sounds like it totally came out of the blue. i’ve gotten caught off guard a lot by shit like this too and been unsure of how to react, definitely don’t feel bad about it\n
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      honestly though, i would have asked them to explain it anyways. you clearly sensed the intent behind it, so i totally get that it was sexist. but like, wtf does that even mean?? putting a rack on a shelf? huh??? i would have filled in the details more but i genuinely don’t get it 💀💀💀\n
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      Rules\n
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      ##### Recommended Reading\n
      \n
      - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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      ##### Related Communities\n
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    I ddg russian population 2023 and got this from world-o-meter: “9th Russia 144,444,359(estimated population) -0.19%(change) -268,955(net)”\n
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    I ddg russian population 2023 and got this from world-o-meter: “9th Russia 144,444,359(estimated population) -0.19%(change) -268,955(net)”\n
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      I ddg russian population 2023 and got this from world-o-meter: “9th Russia 144,444,359(estimated population) -0.19%(change) -268,955(net)”\n
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      Until they have to mobilize the more dense populated area, it’s just a number game for them I guess.\n
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      I ddg russian population 2023 and got this from world-o-meter: “9th Russia 144,444,359(estimated population) -0.19%(change) -268,955(net)”\n
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      Until they have to mobilize the more dense populated area, it’s just a number game for them I guess.\n
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      I ddg russian population 2023 and got this from world-o-meter: “9th Russia 144,444,359(estimated population) -0.19%(change) -268,955(net)”\n
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      - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
      - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
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      !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
      !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
      !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
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            Note: This is from last year. The numbers are much higher now. Ukraine puts the number of dead Russian soldiers at 376,030. The US says it’s 315,000 personnel.\n
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        I ddg russian population 2023 and got this from world-o-meter: “9th Russia 144,444,359(estimated population) -0.19%(change) -268,955(net)”\n
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        Until they have to mobilize the more dense populated area, it’s just a number game for them I guess.\n
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        I ddg russian population 2023 and got this from world-o-meter: “9th Russia 144,444,359(estimated population) -0.19%(change) -268,955(net)”\n
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        Until they have to mobilize the more dense populated area, it’s just a number game for them I guess.\n
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        “41th Ukraine 36,744,634 -7.45 % -2,957,105” in the later column, Migrant listed as 1,784,718 assuming fled the war. so should be part of that -2.9m decline number. I don’t know what happened to the other 1.2m.
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    - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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