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          > Nvidia ships their own opengl implementation with their drivers, because that’s what a driver is.\n
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          Including OpenGL does not a driver make… ie. Nvidia doesn’t have to ship their own implementation of OpenGL. They could do what AMD does on Linux and rely on the openGL upstream implementation from Mesa; however, they choose not to do so because of the reasons I outlined among others.\n
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          > Microsoft doesn’t ship “opengl binaries”, they don’t have any hardware.\n
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          There was a time they did, yes, before Direct X existed\n
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          > Maybe you mean they published their own fork of the ogl spec before giving up and making DX? That may be true.\n
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          Yes and No… DirectX 3D was always low-level; its why DirectX (among being a one-stop shop) worked so well for XBox, etc. So, AMD got the idea for Mantle from MS Direct X and when AMD met with Khronos to spin off Vulkan, MS took notice that their implementation was not as low-level as Direct X 11 and they actually made Direct X 12 less low-level dependent.\n
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          > Ex. Nvidia’s dx9 driver is equally “low level” as their DX12 driver\n
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          No its not, see above… Direct X 9 is actually much lower level than 12; however, Direct X 12 has many more requirements for certain tech that games today see as necessary that Direct X 9 didn’t\n
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          > dx12 and vulkan give finer control over the hardware vs dx9 and ogl.\n
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          yes and no… depends on the particular portion of the spec you are talking about. For example, Direct X 9 had much more lower leve control of the CPU, but as time moved on and less CPU reliance became a thing, DirectX 12 has less control of the CPU but more control of the GPU.
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          ^ this is the key\n
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          There were two major problems with OpenGL:\n
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          - It was originally designed and intended as a professional software (high-level) 3D CAD API; not gaming\n
          - Extensive changes to the API were constantly being submitted by different vendors (AMD (ATI), Nvidia, Microsoft, etc) to enhance its performance on their respective hardware in their respective situations.\n
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          > Nvidia’s OGL driver is a driver. Mesa’s radv backend is a driver. Nouveau, the open source Nvidia meds backend is a driver. An opengl implementation does a driver make.\n
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          No, a driver is kernel code that interfaces with hardware; Mesa’s RADV implements Vulkan and RadeonSI implements OpenGL but both sit at the user level and get called by AMDGPU (the driver in the kernel). Above the kernel at user level is simply software…\n
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          Nouveau is a driver, yes… but it is in the kernel and calls into Mesa as well…\n
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          > What GPU did Microsoft’s driver target? Or are you referring to a software implementation?\n
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          You seem to be confused that Microsoft needed to develop a GPU before implementing a version of their own OpenGL… this is flawed for a couple reasons that I’ve already outlined:\n
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          1. when OpenGL was designed, GPUs didn’t exist. Video cards existed, but a video card != GPU\n
          2. OpenGLs original purpose was to be a 3D CAD (Computer Aided Design) graphics API …\n
          3. If you’ve ever used MS Windows before Windows 95 or even Windows 95 before Direct X was released, you’d know… MS shipped their own opengl32.dll with Windows\n
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          > You literally said that Mantle was inspired by DX12, which is false. You can try to pivot to regurgitating more Mantle history, but I’m just saying…\n
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          AMD Mantle was inspired by Direct X 12… it was inspired by all of Direct X and the current next gen in development at the time which was Direct X 12.\n
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          > take it from someone who literally wrote them for a living\n
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          For someone of your calibre, I’d expect a better understanding of what a driver is then. “above the metal” or more commonly “bare metal” should give that first clue. implementation of OpenGL a graphics library != driver…\n
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          I will refrain from posting any further… this is going no where…
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          > Nvidia ships their own opengl implementation with their drivers, because that’s what a driver is.\n
          \n
          Including OpenGL does not a driver make… ie. Nvidia doesn’t have to ship their own implementation of OpenGL. They could do what AMD does on Linux and rely on the openGL upstream implementation from Mesa; however, they choose not to do so because of the reasons I outlined among others.\n
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          > Microsoft doesn’t ship “opengl binaries”, they don’t have any hardware.\n
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          There was a time they did, yes, before Direct X existed\n
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          > Maybe you mean they published their own fork of the ogl spec before giving up and making DX? That may be true.\n
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          No, they made their own contributions to the spec to improve Windows game performance, but didn’t publish their own spec; however they did implement the upstream spec with their contributions and ship them integrated into Windows. This was practically over with by 1995 when Direct X was introduced, so a very long time ago\n
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          > Mantle predates DX12, both vulkan and dx12 took inspiration from it, not the other way around.\n
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          Yes and No… DirectX 3D was always low-level; its why DirectX (among being a one-stop shop) worked so well for XBox, etc. So, AMD got the idea for Mantle from MS Direct X and when AMD met with Khronos to spin off Vulkan, MS took notice that their implementation was not as low-level as Direct X 11 and they actually made Direct X 12 less low-level dependent.\n
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          > Ex. Nvidia’s dx9 driver is equally “low level” as their DX12 driver\n
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          No its not, see above… Direct X 9 is actually much lower level than 12; however, Direct X 12 has many more requirements for certain tech that games today see as necessary that Direct X 9 didn’t\n
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          > dx12 and vulkan give finer control over the hardware vs dx9 and ogl.\n
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          yes and no… depends on the particular portion of the spec you are talking about. For example, Direct X 9 had much more lower leve control of the CPU, but as time moved on and less CPU reliance became a thing, DirectX 12 has less control of the CPU but more control of the GPU.
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          ^ this is the key\n
          \n
          There were two major problems with OpenGL:\n
          \n
          - It was originally designed and intended as a professional software (high-level) 3D CAD API; not gaming\n
          - Extensive changes to the API were constantly being submitted by different vendors (AMD (ATI), Nvidia, Microsoft, etc) to enhance its performance on their respective hardware in their respective situations.\n
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          This meant that almost every API change that was submitted by any one vendor was immediately scrutinized as whether it was for gaming or 3D CAD, and usually disliked for adding bloat that the other vendors didn’t need or worse causing hardware conflicts which often lead to degradation in performance for the other vendors.\n
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          This is exactly why Nvidia bundles their own version of OpenGL with their drivers; they can make the changes immediately and release to see the impact of the API changes without approval and if it does well-enough then submit. At the end of the day though, some submissions are accepted and others are not which means Nvidia then has to maintain the changes on their own… so there is benefit to getting the API changes accepted.\n
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          Microsoft actually blazed the path that Nvidia took; Windows use to (might still… not sure) ship with its own version of OpenGL binaries, but they disliked having to maintain the changes and fight for acceptance enough that they decided to eventually develop DirectX (among other desires to access input and audio, etc).\n
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          > Nvidia’s OGL driver is a driver. Mesa’s radv backend is a driver. Nouveau, the open source Nvidia meds backend is a driver. An opengl implementation does a driver make.\n
          \n
          No, a driver is kernel code that interfaces with hardware; Mesa’s RADV implements Vulkan and RadeonSI implements OpenGL but both sit at the user level and get called by AMDGPU (the driver in the kernel). Above the kernel at user level is simply software…\n
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          Nouveau is a driver, yes… but it is in the kernel and calls into Mesa as well…\n
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          > What GPU did Microsoft’s driver target? Or are you referring to a software implementation?\n
          \n
          You seem to be confused that Microsoft needed to develop a GPU before implementing a version of their own OpenGL… this is flawed for a couple reasons that I’ve already outlined:\n
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          1. when OpenGL was designed, GPUs didn’t exist. Video cards existed, but a video card != GPU\n
          2. OpenGLs original purpose was to be a 3D CAD (Computer Aided Design) graphics API …\n
          3. If you’ve ever used MS Windows before Windows 95 or even Windows 95 before Direct X was released, you’d know… MS shipped their own opengl32.dll with Windows\n
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          > You literally said that Mantle was inspired by DX12, which is false. You can try to pivot to regurgitating more Mantle history, but I’m just saying…\n
          \n
          AMD Mantle was inspired by Direct X 12… it was inspired by all of Direct X and the current next gen in development at the time which was Direct X 12.\n
          \n
          > take it from someone who literally wrote them for a living\n
          \n
          For someone of your calibre, I’d expect a better understanding of what a driver is then. “above the metal” or more commonly “bare metal” should give that first clue. implementation of OpenGL a graphics library != driver…\n
          \n
          I will refrain from posting any further… this is going no where…
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            ^ this is the key\n
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            There were two major problems with OpenGL:\n
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            > Nvidia’s OGL driver is a driver. Mesa’s radv backend is a driver. Nouveau, the open source Nvidia meds backend is a driver. An opengl implementation does a driver make.\n
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            No, a driver is kernel code that interfaces with hardware; Mesa’s RADV implements Vulkan and RadeonSI implements OpenGL but both sit at the user level and get called by AMDGPU (the driver in the kernel). Above the kernel at user level is simply software…\n
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            3. If you’ve ever used MS Windows before Windows 95 or even Windows 95 before Direct X was released, you’d know… MS shipped their own opengl32.dll with Windows\n
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            > You literally said that Mantle was inspired by DX12, which is false. You can try to pivot to regurgitating more Mantle history, but I’m just saying…\n
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            > take it from someone who literally wrote them for a living\n
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            For someone of your calibre, I’d expect a better understanding of what a driver is then. “above the metal” or more commonly “bare metal” should give that first clue. implementation of OpenGL a graphics library != driver…\n
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      > Nvidia ships their own opengl implementation with their drivers, because that’s what a driver is.\n
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      > Microsoft doesn’t ship “opengl binaries”, they don’t have any hardware.\n
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      There was a time they did, yes, before Direct X existed\n
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      > Maybe you mean they published their own fork of the ogl spec before giving up and making DX? That may be true.\n
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      > Mantle predates DX12, both vulkan and dx12 took inspiration from it, not the other way around.\n
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      Yes and No… DirectX 3D was always low-level; its why DirectX (among being a one-stop shop) worked so well for XBox, etc. So, AMD got the idea for Mantle from MS Direct X and when AMD met with Khronos to spin off Vulkan, MS took notice that their implementation was not as low-level as Direct X 11 and they actually made Direct X 12 less low-level dependent.\n
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      > Ex. Nvidia’s dx9 driver is equally “low level” as their DX12 driver\n
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      No its not, see above… Direct X 9 is actually much lower level than 12; however, Direct X 12 has many more requirements for certain tech that games today see as necessary that Direct X 9 didn’t\n
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      > dx12 and vulkan give finer control over the hardware vs dx9 and ogl.\n
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      yes and no… depends on the particular portion of the spec you are talking about. For example, Direct X 9 had much more lower leve control of the CPU, but as time moved on and less CPU reliance became a thing, DirectX 12 has less control of the CPU but more control of the GPU.
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            ^ this is the key\n
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            > Nvidia’s OGL driver is a driver. Mesa’s radv backend is a driver. Nouveau, the open source Nvidia meds backend is a driver. An opengl implementation does a driver make.\n
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            No, a driver is kernel code that interfaces with hardware; Mesa’s RADV implements Vulkan and RadeonSI implements OpenGL but both sit at the user level and get called by AMDGPU (the driver in the kernel). Above the kernel at user level is simply software…\n
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            > You literally said that Mantle was inspired by DX12, which is false. You can try to pivot to regurgitating more Mantle history, but I’m just saying…\n
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            > take it from someone who literally wrote them for a living\n
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            For someone of your calibre, I’d expect a better understanding of what a driver is then. “above the metal” or more commonly “bare metal” should give that first clue. implementation of OpenGL a graphics library != driver…\n
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            I will refrain from posting any further… this is going no where…
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      > Nvidia ships their own opengl implementation with their drivers, because that’s what a driver is.\n
      \n
      Including OpenGL does not a driver make… ie. Nvidia doesn’t have to ship their own implementation of OpenGL. They could do what AMD does on Linux and rely on the openGL upstream implementation from Mesa; however, they choose not to do so because of the reasons I outlined among others.\n
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      > Microsoft doesn’t ship “opengl binaries”, they don’t have any hardware.\n
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      There was a time they did, yes, before Direct X existed\n
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      > Maybe you mean they published their own fork of the ogl spec before giving up and making DX? That may be true.\n
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      No, they made their own contributions to the spec to improve Windows game performance, but didn’t publish their own spec; however they did implement the upstream spec with their contributions and ship them integrated into Windows. This was practically over with by 1995 when Direct X was introduced, so a very long time ago\n
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      > Mantle predates DX12, both vulkan and dx12 took inspiration from it, not the other way around.\n
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      Yes and No… DirectX 3D was always low-level; its why DirectX (among being a one-stop shop) worked so well for XBox, etc. So, AMD got the idea for Mantle from MS Direct X and when AMD met with Khronos to spin off Vulkan, MS took notice that their implementation was not as low-level as Direct X 11 and they actually made Direct X 12 less low-level dependent.\n
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      > Ex. Nvidia’s dx9 driver is equally “low level” as their DX12 driver\n
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      No its not, see above… Direct X 9 is actually much lower level than 12; however, Direct X 12 has many more requirements for certain tech that games today see as necessary that Direct X 9 didn’t\n
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      > dx12 and vulkan give finer control over the hardware vs dx9 and ogl.\n
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      yes and no… depends on the particular portion of the spec you are talking about. For example, Direct X 9 had much more lower leve control of the CPU, but as time moved on and less CPU reliance became a thing, DirectX 12 has less control of the CPU but more control of the GPU.
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