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Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name

Security enabled

Stateless

Configuration

Key	Value
provider	security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context	main
entry_point	App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker	App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler	(none)
access_denied_url	(none)
authenticators	[`"two_factor" "remember_me" "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator" "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator" "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator" "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator" "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"`]

Listeners

Listener	Duration	Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723`-map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …} -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -httpPort: 80 -httpsPort: 443`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …} -sessionKey: "_security_main" -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …} -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …} -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …} -registered: false -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …} -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}}	0.22 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584`-authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582`-twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …} -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}`}	0.05 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …} -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786`-tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …} -options: [ "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token" "csrf_token_id" => "logout" "logout_path" => "app_logout" ] -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …} -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …} -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}`}	0.00 ms	(none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy


"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

#	Voter class
1	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2	"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4	"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5	"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6	"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7	"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8	"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9	"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10	"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11	"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12	"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13	"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14	"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log


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      ---\n
      \n
      Rules\n
      -----\n
      \n
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      No bigotry— Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated. —\n
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      No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
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      ##### Recommended Reading\n
      \n
      - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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      ##### Related Communities\n
      \n
      !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
      !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
      !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
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      No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
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      ##### Recommended Reading\n
      \n
      - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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      ---\n
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      ##### Related Communities\n
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      Rules\n
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      Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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      No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
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      ##### Recommended Reading\n
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      - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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      ##### Related Communities\n
      \n
      !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
      !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
      !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
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        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
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        Rules\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
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        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
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        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
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        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
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        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
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        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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      I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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          An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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        The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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      I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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    > Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
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        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
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        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
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          An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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        The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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      I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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      I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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        The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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      I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
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        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
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        I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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        I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
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        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
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          I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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    +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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    I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
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        ---\n
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        Rules\n
        -----\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
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              An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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            The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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          I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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    I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
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        ---\n
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        Rules\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
        \n
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              An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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            The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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          I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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    I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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    Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        Rules\n
        -----\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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        No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
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        ---\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
        \n
        ---
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                An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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              The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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              The video doesn’t address that thesis at all. It’s making more of a libertarian argument: “tradwives aren’t hurting anyone so leave them alone.” But even if women should be allowed to be tradwives, that says nothing about whether men and other women are harmed by the promotion of these regressive gender norms. At one point, the video shows a ton of examples of men wishing violence on tradwife women, for e.g. not having dinner done on time. Somehow, this YouTuber still doesn’t see how promoting this view of a women’s place is harmful.
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            I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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            Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?
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        +body: "I continue to wash Shoe despite a few frustrations. She’s not easily swayed or stupid, but does have a uniquely liberal take on everything. That is to say, often telling people to be more permissive of right wing. She has matured, but its hardened her views into this weird, both sides, dogwhistle-y brand of opinions. And yet she continues to cover important topics, just… In a way that leaves more to be desired."
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      +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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      I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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      Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.
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    > I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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    Compromise is only valuable when the positions the compromise seeks to find ground between are both equally honest positions. And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative. And just to add onto it, the guy who posted the video was immediately banned for it. Compromise isn’t the goal it seems. It’s to throw out and discredit dissent.\n
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    > Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk\n
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    No, we’re on lemmy.ca. Just because the mod is on solar punk, it doesn’t mean that the community is. And lemmy.ca makes no claims of being a leftist instance, just a Canadian one.
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        Rules\n
        -----\n
        \n
        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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        \n
        ---\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
        \n
        ---
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                An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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                [youtu.be/vOgIOTenmrs?si=aLCd7f48edfDIUvc](https://youtu.be/vOgIOTenmrs?si=aLCd7f48edfDIUvc)
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              The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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            I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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            Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?
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      +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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      I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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      Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.
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    > I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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    No, we’re on lemmy.ca. Just because the mod is on solar punk, it doesn’t mean that the community is. And lemmy.ca makes no claims of being a leftist instance, just a Canadian one.
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        Rules\n
        -----\n
        \n
        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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        No bigotry— Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated. —\n
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        No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
        \n
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                An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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                [youtu.be/vOgIOTenmrs?si=aLCd7f48edfDIUvc](https://youtu.be/vOgIOTenmrs?si=aLCd7f48edfDIUvc)
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              The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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            I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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            Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?
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      +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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      I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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      Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.
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    > I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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    No, we’re on lemmy.ca. Just because the mod is on solar punk, it doesn’t mean that the community is. And lemmy.ca makes no claims of being a leftist instance, just a Canadian one.
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
        \n
        ---\n
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        Rules\n
        -----\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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        No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
        \n
        ---\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
        \n
        ---\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
        \n
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                  An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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                The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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                The video doesn’t address that thesis at all. It’s making more of a libertarian argument: “tradwives aren’t hurting anyone so leave them alone.” But even if women should be allowed to be tradwives, that says nothing about whether men and other women are harmed by the promotion of these regressive gender norms. At one point, the video shows a ton of examples of men wishing violence on tradwife women, for e.g. not having dinner done on time. Somehow, this YouTuber still doesn’t see how promoting this view of a women’s place is harmful.
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              I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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          +body: "I continue to wash Shoe despite a few frustrations. She’s not easily swayed or stupid, but does have a uniquely liberal take on everything. That is to say, often telling people to be more permissive of right wing. She has matured, but its hardened her views into this weird, both sides, dogwhistle-y brand of opinions. And yet she continues to cover important topics, just… In a way that leaves more to be desired."
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        +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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        I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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        Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.
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      > I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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      Compromise is only valuable when the positions the compromise seeks to find ground between are both equally honest positions. And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative. And just to add onto it, the guy who posted the video was immediately banned for it. Compromise isn’t the goal it seems. It’s to throw out and discredit dissent.\n
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      > Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk\n
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      No, we’re on lemmy.ca. Just because the mod is on solar punk, it doesn’t mean that the community is. And lemmy.ca makes no claims of being a leftist instance, just a Canadian one.
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    > And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative.\n
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    She’s been producing antifeminist content while calling herself a progressive for a very long time. I fail to see how that’s not right wing dog whistling that is largely incompatible with the goals of this community.
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        Rules\n
        -----\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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        No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
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        ---\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
        \n
        ---
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                  An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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                The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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                The video doesn’t address that thesis at all. It’s making more of a libertarian argument: “tradwives aren’t hurting anyone so leave them alone.” But even if women should be allowed to be tradwives, that says nothing about whether men and other women are harmed by the promotion of these regressive gender norms. At one point, the video shows a ton of examples of men wishing violence on tradwife women, for e.g. not having dinner done on time. Somehow, this YouTuber still doesn’t see how promoting this view of a women’s place is harmful.
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              I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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              Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?
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        +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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        I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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        Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.
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      > I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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      > Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk\n
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      No, we’re on lemmy.ca. Just because the mod is on solar punk, it doesn’t mean that the community is. And lemmy.ca makes no claims of being a leftist instance, just a Canadian one.
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    > And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative.\n
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
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        ---\n
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        Rules\n
        -----\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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        No bigotry— Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated. —\n
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        No brigading— Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues. —\n
        \n
        ---\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
        \n
        ---
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                  An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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                The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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                The video doesn’t address that thesis at all. It’s making more of a libertarian argument: “tradwives aren’t hurting anyone so leave them alone.” But even if women should be allowed to be tradwives, that says nothing about whether men and other women are harmed by the promotion of these regressive gender norms. At one point, the video shows a ton of examples of men wishing violence on tradwife women, for e.g. not having dinner done on time. Somehow, this YouTuber still doesn’t see how promoting this view of a women’s place is harmful.
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              I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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              Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?
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          +body: "I continue to wash Shoe despite a few frustrations. She’s not easily swayed or stupid, but does have a uniquely liberal take on everything. That is to say, often telling people to be more permissive of right wing. She has matured, but its hardened her views into this weird, both sides, dogwhistle-y brand of opinions. And yet she continues to cover important topics, just… In a way that leaves more to be desired."
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        +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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        I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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        Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.
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      > I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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      Compromise is only valuable when the positions the compromise seeks to find ground between are both equally honest positions. And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative. And just to add onto it, the guy who posted the video was immediately banned for it. Compromise isn’t the goal it seems. It’s to throw out and discredit dissent.\n
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      > Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk\n
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      No, we’re on lemmy.ca. Just because the mod is on solar punk, it doesn’t mean that the community is. And lemmy.ca makes no claims of being a leftist instance, just a Canadian one.
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    > And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative.\n
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    She’s been producing antifeminist content while calling herself a progressive for a very long time. I fail to see how that’s not right wing dog whistling that is largely incompatible with the goals of this community.
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
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        ---\n
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        Rules\n
        -----\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
        \n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
        \n
        ---
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                    An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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                  The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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                I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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                Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?
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            +body: "I continue to wash Shoe despite a few frustrations. She’s not easily swayed or stupid, but does have a uniquely liberal take on everything. That is to say, often telling people to be more permissive of right wing. She has matured, but its hardened her views into this weird, both sides, dogwhistle-y brand of opinions. And yet she continues to cover important topics, just… In a way that leaves more to be desired."
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          +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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          I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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          Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.
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        > I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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        > Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk\n
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        No, we’re on lemmy.ca. Just because the mod is on solar punk, it doesn’t mean that the community is. And lemmy.ca makes no claims of being a leftist instance, just a Canadian one.
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      > And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative.\n
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      She’s been producing antifeminist content while calling herself a progressive for a very long time. I fail to see how that’s not right wing dog whistling that is largely incompatible with the goals of this community.
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
        \n
        ---\n
        \n
        Rules\n
        -----\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
        \n
        ---\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
        \n
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                    An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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                  The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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                I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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                Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?
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          +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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          I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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          Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk. And Shoe has been pushed to the left before. I find her drawing this liberal line is one if the most important aspects to her content.
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        > I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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        Compromise is only valuable when the positions the compromise seeks to find ground between are both equally honest positions. And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative. And just to add onto it, the guy who posted the video was immediately banned for it. Compromise isn’t the goal it seems. It’s to throw out and discredit dissent.\n
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        > Leftism isnt an obligation, no, but we are on solarpunk\n
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        No, we’re on lemmy.ca. Just because the mod is on solar punk, it doesn’t mean that the community is. And lemmy.ca makes no claims of being a leftist instance, just a Canadian one.
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      > And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative.\n
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      She’s been producing antifeminist content while calling herself a progressive for a very long time. I fail to see how that’s not right wing dog whistling that is largely incompatible with the goals of this community.
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        **This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.**\n
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        ---\n
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        Rules\n
        -----\n
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        Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people— Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren’t talking over men expressing their own lived experiences. —\n
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        Be productive— Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people’s efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed. Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting: * Build upon the OP * Discuss concepts rather than semantics * No low effort comments * No personal attacks —\n
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        ##### Recommended Reading\n
        \n
        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
        - *Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements* by Michael Messner\n
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        ##### Related Communities\n
        \n
        !feminism@beehaw.org  \n
        !askmen@lemmy.world  \n
        !mensmentalhealth@lemmy.world\n
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                    An interesting video on the topic, that directly argues against a lot of what the article says\n
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                  The video is not addressing the specific argument in the article. The main argument in the article is that the interest in tradwives is harming men’s ability to function in the real dating world. That seems plausible to me. There are probably not that many women who are into being tradwives so it’s an outrageous expectation to normalize.\n
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                I haven’t really heard anything about her since gamergate, and the anti-SJW/feminist days in the 2010’s. I have seen her pop up twice in a week, both times in places where anti-SJW beliefs would not be welcome.\n
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                Are her views/take fairly shallow and easily swayed, has she matured as a person and changed her politics, or is she just an online creator following where the trends are for views?
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          +body: "Why is it a problem that she’s not just hostile towards the right? Is leftism an obligation in your eyes?"
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          I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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        > I’m drawing a compromise with the argument that she makes content that dogwhistles right wing talking points.\n
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        No, we’re on lemmy.ca. Just because the mod is on solar punk, it doesn’t mean that the community is. And lemmy.ca makes no claims of being a leftist instance, just a Canadian one.
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      > And calling her “right wing dogwhistle content” is anything but. It’s just a dishonest excuse to discredit her for not perfectly riding the approved narrative.\n
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      She’s been producing antifeminist content while calling herself a progressive for a very long time. I fail to see how that’s not right wing dog whistling that is largely incompatible with the goals of this community.
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        - [*The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love* by bell hooks](https://archive.org/details/the-will-to-change-men-masculinity-and-love-by-bell-hooks-z-lib.org.epub/page/n43/mode/2up)\n
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