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    I’m not saying that you can reach verdicts about morality without religion. But you’ve left the realm of science which was proposed as the religion killer.\n
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    > Religion is not a good basis for morality. Look at all of the horrible conflicts and evil actions committed on the basis of religious beliefs.\n
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    It’s about as bad as science. Look at all the atrocities which were “justified” by science. E.g.: racism, eugenics, …\n
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