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Response
200 OK
IP
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Profiled on
Token
f871e7

Security

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Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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      \n
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      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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    Two questions.\n
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    \n
    “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
    \n
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    \n
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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3 DENIED edit 
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      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
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      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
      much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
      """
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    “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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      A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
      ============================================================\n
      \n
      Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
      \n
      In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
      \n
      ### Some Rules\n
      \n
      - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
      - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
      - Try to keep things on topic\n
      - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
      - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
      - Be nice :)\n
      \n
      ### Related communities\n
      \n
      - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
      - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
      - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
      \n
      ### Chat rooms\n
      \n
      - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
      - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
      \n
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      """
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    \n
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    \n
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    “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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      So no, you didn’t address shit.
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    Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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        ### Related communities\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
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              You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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              You make your own life so complicated for what?
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            This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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            The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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        “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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        In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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        So no, you didn’t address shit.
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      Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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      All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                You make your own life so complicated for what?
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        Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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        All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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    If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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    WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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        ### Related communities\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                You make your own life so complicated for what?
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              This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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        Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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        ============================================================\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                You make your own life so complicated for what?
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          “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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          So no, you didn’t address shit.
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        Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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        - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
        - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
        - Try to keep things on topic\n
        - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
        - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
        - Be nice :)\n
        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                  You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                  You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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            “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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            In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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            So no, you didn’t address shit.
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          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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      If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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      WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                  You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                  You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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            “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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            In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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            So no, you didn’t address shit.
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          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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          All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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      If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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      WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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        ### Related communities\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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                  You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                  You make your own life so complicated for what?
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            “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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            In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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            So no, you didn’t address shit.
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          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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      If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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      WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                  You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                  You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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            “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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            In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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            So no, you didn’t address shit.
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          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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          All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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      If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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      WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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    It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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    It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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    Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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    > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                  You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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            “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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            In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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            So no, you didn’t address shit.
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          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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          All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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      If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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      WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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    It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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    It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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    Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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    > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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            “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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            In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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            So no, you didn’t address shit.
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          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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          All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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      If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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      WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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    It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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    It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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    Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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    > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
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              “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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              In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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              So no, you didn’t address shit.
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            Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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            All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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        If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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        WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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      It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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      It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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      Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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      > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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    So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.\n
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    Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      Two questions.\n
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                    You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                  This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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              “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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              So no, you didn’t address shit.
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            Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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            All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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        If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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        WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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      It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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      It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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      Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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      > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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    So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.\n
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    Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                  This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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              “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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              So no, you didn’t address shit.
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            Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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            All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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        If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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        WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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      It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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      It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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      Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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      > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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    So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.\n
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    Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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                    This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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                So no, you didn’t address shit.
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              Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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              All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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          If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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          WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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        It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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        It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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        Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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        > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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      So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.\n
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      Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                      You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                    This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
                \n
                In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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                So no, you didn’t address shit.
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              Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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              All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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          If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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          WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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        It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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        It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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        Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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        > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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      So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.\n
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      Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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                In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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                So no, you didn’t address shit.
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              Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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              All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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          If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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          WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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        It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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        It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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        Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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        > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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      So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.\n
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      Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.
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                      This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                  “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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                  In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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                  So no, you didn’t address shit.
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                Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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                All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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            If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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            WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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          It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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          It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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          Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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          > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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        So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.\n
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        Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.
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    End it. I don’t need to converse with you either, I merely answered OP.\n
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      Two questions.\n
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                        You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
                        \n
                        You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                      This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                      The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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                  +body: "He is talking about encryption, which I addressed. Maybe reading comprehension, eh?"
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                  “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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                  In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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                  So no, you didn’t address shit.
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                Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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                All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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            If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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            WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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          It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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          It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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          Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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          > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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        So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.\n
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        Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.
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    End it. I don’t need to converse with you either, I merely answered OP.\n
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      Two questions.\n
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      My family insist on using Whatsapp for the family chats. I have to keep a copy on a device just so I can communicate with them. I do so under protest, as I was always told it isn’t secure. My brother has just said\n
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      “oh Whatsapp is encrypted, it’s perfectly secure”.\n
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      First, is it actually as encrypted and safe as my brother claims? That would solve everything.\n
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      Second, if it *isn’t*, where can I get some proof that we should switch to Telegram or whatever? Proof which doesn’t make me look like a raving loony?
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                        You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                        You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                      This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                      The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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                  +body: "He is talking about encryption, which I addressed. Maybe reading comprehension, eh?"
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                  “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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                  In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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                  So no, you didn’t address shit.
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                Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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                All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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            If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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            WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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          It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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          It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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          Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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          > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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        So? We just have differing view. No more, no less.\n
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        Bring your shit elsewhere don’t present it to me.
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    End it. I don’t need to converse with you either, I merely answered OP.\n
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    Since you ended this, be quiet and don’t spam me with notification.
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                    You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                    You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                  This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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              “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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              In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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              So no, you didn’t address shit.
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            Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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            All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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        If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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        WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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      It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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      It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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      Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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      > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      Two questions.\n
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                    You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                    You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                  This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                  The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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              “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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              In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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              So no, you didn’t address shit.
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            Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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            All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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        If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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        WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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      It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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      It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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      Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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      > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      Two questions.\n
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                    You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                    You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                  This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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                  The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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              “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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              In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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              So no, you didn’t address shit.
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            Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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            All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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        If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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        WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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      It is very unpleasant to communicate with you.\n
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      It is still unclear what you meant with “your shit”.\n
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      Apart from that I did not argue against the signal protocol, I argued against your idiotic stance on encryption.\n
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      > Maybe reading comprehension, eh?
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        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                  You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                  You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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            “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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            So no, you didn’t address shit.
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          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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      If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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      WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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    Give it up, you sound like either a you don’t know what you’re talking about or a you’re a bootlicker for facebook.\n
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
        \n
        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
        \n
        In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
        \n
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        \n
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        - Try to keep things on topic\n
        - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
        - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
        - Be nice :)\n
        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                  You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                  You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
                \n
                The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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            “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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            In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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            So no, you didn’t address shit.
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          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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          All you guys do is talking without any solid base. Sigh.
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      If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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      WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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    Give it up, you sound like either a you don’t know what you’re talking about or a you’re a bootlicker for facebook.\n
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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        - Be nice :)\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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                  You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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                  You make your own life so complicated for what?
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                This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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            “It must be encrypted well because nothing has been leaked yet” is a very, very bad stance on encryption.\n
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            In fact, every encryption is working well until it’s broken the first time.\n
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            So no, you didn’t address shit.
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          Yea yea, if even Signal Protocol cant do shit, your shit can’t do anything as well. 🤣\n
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      If you lack knowledge , admit it.\n
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      WhatsApp is using Signal Protocol.
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    Give it up, you sound like either a you don’t know what you’re talking about or a you’re a bootlicker for facebook.\n
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        - Try to keep things on topic\n
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        - Be nice :)\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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        This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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    Wider context matters\n
    \n
    Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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        This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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    Wider context matters\n
    \n
    Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
    \n
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    Wider context matters\n
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    Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
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            You make your own life so complicated for what?
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          This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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      Wider context matters\n
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      Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      Two questions.\n
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      Wider context matters\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      Wider context matters\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        Wider context matters\n
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        Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
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        - if one company can’t prove they are actually using the high quality lock\n
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    > Long winded talk for shit?\n
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    what
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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            This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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            The concern isn’t about getting your chats leaked, there’s no incentive to just give away data that is collected. The concern is usually about a malicious group (company, government, criminals) abusing the data that they can get their hands on.
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        Wider context matters\n
        \n
        Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
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        - if one company can’t prove they are actually using the high quality lock\n
        - if one company acts as a middleman, doing the locking/unlocking for you\n
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        Even if we specifically talk about security, one is better than the other.
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    +body: "WhatsApp has been endorsed by Moxie himself who invented Signal Protocol. What more do you want? Long winded talk for shit?"
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    > Long winded talk for shit?\n
    \n
    what
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      Two questions.\n
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              You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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              You make your own life so complicated for what?
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            This is the privacy community, and they were discussing the privacy aspect.\n
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        Wider context matters\n
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        Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
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    > Long winded talk for shit?\n
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        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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              You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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              You make your own life so complicated for what?
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        Wider context matters\n
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        Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
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        A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.\n
        ============================================================\n
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        Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
        \n
        In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.\n
        \n
        ### Some Rules\n
        \n
        - Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn’t great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post\n
        - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
        - Try to keep things on topic\n
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        - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        Wider context matters\n
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        Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
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        - Try to keep things on topic\n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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              You and family use WhatsApp to talk to each others, just like millions families out there and so far no chats have been leaked because the encryption is bypassed.\n
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              You make your own life so complicated for what?
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        Wider context matters\n
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        Two companies can advertise lockers with the same high quality lock, but one might still be better to use\n
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        - if one company can’t prove they are actually using the high quality lock\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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    I think it’s from here :)\n
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    [forbes.com/…/whatsapp-beaten-by-apples-new-imessa…](https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2021/01/03/whatsapp-beaten-by-apples-new-imessage-update-for-iphone-users/)\n
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    I think it’s from here :)\n
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    [forbes.com/…/whatsapp-beaten-by-apples-new-imessa…](https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2021/01/03/whatsapp-beaten-by-apples-new-imessage-update-for-iphone-users/)\n
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        My understanding is that it IS encrypted, and its supposed to use the Signal protocol (Signal developed it and released it for others to use)\n
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    I think it’s from here :)\n
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    [forbes.com/…/whatsapp-beaten-by-apples-new-imessa…](https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2021/01/03/whatsapp-beaten-by-apples-new-imessage-update-for-iphone-users/)\n
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    Also it does leave out some info, I edited my comment up top
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      My understanding is that it IS encrypted, and its supposed to use the Signal protocol (Signal developed it and released it for others to use)\n
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    iMessage definitely has more hooks in than those listed. It’s an integral Apple service that’s hooked into your deeper iCloud account. And because of that, they know a lot more than just a mere “chat” app would get access to. Which likely makes it harder to quantify.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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        ### Related communities\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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        My understanding is that it IS encrypted, and its supposed to use the Signal protocol (Signal developed it and released it for others to use)\n
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      Oh also @Thisfox@sopuli.xyz\n
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      Instead of Telegram, consider one of these, it’s easier to switch to the good one now than to try and switch again later.\n
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      [www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication)\n
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      Signal works great for my family
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    I have been using Telegram for… A really long time. A decade? Maybe not that long. But yeah, no reason to change from what works for me. You’re right about that.\n
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    Signal and Matrix(?) and the others all seem to be a recent development, and although I have downloaded a few, no one else has them or has heard of them, so their directories are empty as I have never found anyone who wants to connect that way. It means I don’t know how to use or teach older people how to use the software. I am trying to find a simple evidence-based way to encourage my family to change their minds, but it appears it will only make me look paranoid, so probably won’t try.
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        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
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      Oh also @Thisfox@sopuli.xyz\n
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      [www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication)\n
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    I have been using Telegram for… A really long time. A decade? Maybe not that long. But yeah, no reason to change from what works for me. You’re right about that.\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
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      Two questions.\n
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        My understanding is that it IS encrypted, and its supposed to use the Signal protocol (Signal developed it and released it for others to use)\n
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      Oh also @Thisfox@sopuli.xyz\n
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      Instead of Telegram, consider one of these, it’s easier to switch to the good one now than to try and switch again later.\n
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      [www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication)\n
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      Signal works great for my family
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    I have been using Telegram for… A really long time. A decade? Maybe not that long. But yeah, no reason to change from what works for me. You’re right about that.\n
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        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          My understanding is that it IS encrypted, and its supposed to use the Signal protocol (Signal developed it and released it for others to use)\n
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          The problems are with\n
          \n
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          - closed source, so we take their word on it for how it works. It’s possible they’re being misleading or doing something shady\n
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          See this image from a few years ago: ![](https://i.redd.it/0imry50rxy961.png)\n
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        Oh also @Thisfox@sopuli.xyz\n
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        Instead of Telegram, consider one of these, it’s easier to switch to the good one now than to try and switch again later.\n
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        [www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication)\n
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        Signal works great for my family
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      I have been using Telegram for… A really long time. A decade? Maybe not that long. But yeah, no reason to change from what works for me. You’re right about that.\n
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      Signal and Matrix(?) and the others all seem to be a recent development, and although I have downloaded a few, no one else has them or has heard of them, so their directories are empty as I have never found anyone who wants to connect that way. It means I don’t know how to use or teach older people how to use the software. I am trying to find a simple evidence-based way to encourage my family to change their minds, but it appears it will only make me look paranoid, so probably won’t try.
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    That’s fair enough, it’s really location based. Around where I am, telegram isn’t that popular. I’ve met a few people using Signal and I have friends/collegues pop up in the “____ has Signal” section of the app.\n
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    > I am trying to find a simple evidence-based way to encourage my family to change their minds, but it appears it will only make me look paranoid\n
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    I think part of it is because it’s hard to convince people without first explaining how things work. Not much use in worrying about it if you can’t, just look out for yourself. What you COULD do is to use the private option when you need to talk about something sensitive. If the app is installed on their phone then they’re more likely to use it, and even if not then you’re looking out for yourself
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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          See this image from a few years ago: ![](https://i.redd.it/0imry50rxy961.png)\n
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          Note that signal does require this, which isn’t in the chart:\n
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          - last active date\n
          - sign up date (I think)
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        Oh also @Thisfox@sopuli.xyz\n
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        Instead of Telegram, consider one of these, it’s easier to switch to the good one now than to try and switch again later.\n
        \n
        [www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication)\n
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        Signal works great for my family
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      I have been using Telegram for… A really long time. A decade? Maybe not that long. But yeah, no reason to change from what works for me. You’re right about that.\n
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      Signal and Matrix(?) and the others all seem to be a recent development, and although I have downloaded a few, no one else has them or has heard of them, so their directories are empty as I have never found anyone who wants to connect that way. It means I don’t know how to use or teach older people how to use the software. I am trying to find a simple evidence-based way to encourage my family to change their minds, but it appears it will only make me look paranoid, so probably won’t try.
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    That’s fair enough, it’s really location based. Around where I am, telegram isn’t that popular. I’ve met a few people using Signal and I have friends/collegues pop up in the “____ has Signal” section of the app.\n
    \n
    We don’t really have a dominant chat app around here, there’s a good mix of messenger/instagram/iMessage, with some groups sticking to Whatsapp/WeChat/Viber.\n
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    > I am trying to find a simple evidence-based way to encourage my family to change their minds, but it appears it will only make me look paranoid\n
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    I think part of it is because it’s hard to convince people without first explaining how things work. Not much use in worrying about it if you can’t, just look out for yourself. What you COULD do is to use the private option when you need to talk about something sensitive. If the app is installed on their phone then they’re more likely to use it, and even if not then you’re looking out for yourself
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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      Two questions.\n
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          My understanding is that it IS encrypted, and its supposed to use the Signal protocol (Signal developed it and released it for others to use)\n
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          See this image from a few years ago: ![](https://i.redd.it/0imry50rxy961.png)\n
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        Oh also @Thisfox@sopuli.xyz\n
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        Instead of Telegram, consider one of these, it’s easier to switch to the good one now than to try and switch again later.\n
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        [www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication](https://www.privacyguides.org/en/real-time-communication)\n
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        Signal works great for my family
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      I have been using Telegram for… A really long time. A decade? Maybe not that long. But yeah, no reason to change from what works for me. You’re right about that.\n
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      Signal and Matrix(?) and the others all seem to be a recent development, and although I have downloaded a few, no one else has them or has heard of them, so their directories are empty as I have never found anyone who wants to connect that way. It means I don’t know how to use or teach older people how to use the software. I am trying to find a simple evidence-based way to encourage my family to change their minds, but it appears it will only make me look paranoid, so probably won’t try.
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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      And that’s why privacy is important - the assumptions and decisions an algorithm makes are not necessarily correct, often not even close.\n
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      Edit:before someone wants to be smart: yes, I know it’s a joke.
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        ============================================================\n
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        \n
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        \n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
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        - Don’t promote proprietary software\n
        - Try to keep things on topic\n
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        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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        - Try to keep things on topic\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
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        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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        - Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience\n
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        \n
        ### Related communities\n
        \n
        - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
        \n
        ### Chat rooms\n
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        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
        much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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        - Try to keep things on topic\n
        - If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered\n
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        - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
        - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
        - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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        ### Chat rooms\n
        \n
        - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
        - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
        \n
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    Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.\n
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    - [Lemmy.ml libre_culture](https://lemmy.ml/c/libre_culture)\n
    - [Lemmy.ml privatelife](https://lemmy.ml/c/privatelife)\n
    - [Lemmy.ml DeGoogle](https://lemmy.ml/c/degoogle)\n
    - [Lemmy.ca privacy](https://lemmy.ca/c/privacy)\n
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    ### Chat rooms\n
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    - [Matrix/Element]Dead\n
    - [Discord](https://discord.gg/8xfrVjvngh)\n
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    much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
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