GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/tag/fairUse

Response
200 OK
IP
18.191.15.173
Profiled on
Token
fa47e1

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 0.22 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.05 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1791
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1921 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1846 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1750 …}
  +slug: "Bug-people-are-posting-paywalls-and-amp-other-exclusive-walled-gardens"
  +title: "Bug: people are posting paywalls & other exclusive walled gardens"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    **The problem:**\n
    \n
    The web has obviously reached a high level of #enshitification. Paywalls, exclusive walled gardens, #Cloudflare, popups, CAPTCHAs, tor-blockades, dark patterns (esp. w/cookies), javascript that makes the website an app (not a doc), etc.\n
    \n
    **Status quo solution (failure):**\n
    \n
    #Lemmy & the #threadiverse were designed to inherently trust humans to only post links to non-shit websites, and to only upvote content that has no links or links to non-shit venues.\n
    \n
    It’s not working. The social approach is a systemic failure.\n
    \n
    **The fix:**\n
    \n
    - stage 1 (metrics collection): There needs to be shitification metrics for every link. Readers should be able to click a “this link is shit” button on a per-link basis & there should be tick boxes to indicate the particular variety of shit that it is.\n
    - stage 2 (metrics usage): If many links with the same hostname show a pattern of matching enshitification factors, the Lemmy server should automatically tag all those links with a warning of some kind (e.g. ⚠, 💩, 🌩).\n
    - stage 3 (inclusive alternative): A replacement link to a mirror is offered. E.g. youtube → (non-CF’d invidious instance), cloudflare → archive.org, medium.com → (random scribe.rip instance), etc.\n
    - stage 4 (onsite archive): good samaritans and over-achievers should have the option to provide the full text for a given link so others can read the article without even fighting the site.\n
    - stage 5 (search reranking): whenever a human post a link and talks about it, search crawlers notice and give that site a high ranking. This is why search results have gotten lousy – because the social approach has failed. Humans will post bad links. So links with a high enshitification score need to be obfuscated in some way (e.g. dots become asterisks) so search crawlers don’t overrate them going forward.\n
    \n
    This needs to be recognized as a #LemmyBug.
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 24
  +favouriteCount: 31
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1696792624 {#1891
    date: 2023-10-08 21:17:04.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1749 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1467 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1474 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1759 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1757 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1781 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1600
      +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1921 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1791 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1846 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2425 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2425 …}
      +body: """
        It would need some analysis by legal experts. But consider that archive.org gets away with it. Although archive.org has an opt-out mechanism. So perhaps each Lemmy instance should have an opt-out mechanism, which should push a CAPTCHA in perhaps one of few good uses for CAPTCHAs. Then if Quora wants to opt-out, they have to visit every Lemmy instance, complete the opt-out form, and solve the CAPTCHA. Muahaha!\n
        \n
        Note as well how 12ft.io works: it serves you Google’s cache of a site (which is actually what the search index uses). How did Google get a right to keep those caches?\n
        \n
        There’s also the #fairUse doctrine. You can quote a work if your commenting on it. Which is what we do in the threadiverse. Though not always – so perhaps the caching should be restricted to threads that have comments.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1696709167 {#2390
        date: 2023-10-07 22:06:07.0 +02:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: [
        "fairuse"
      ]
      +mentions: [
        "@activistPnk@slrpnk.net"
        "@TootSweet@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2479 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2398 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1796 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1878 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1912 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1932 …}
      -id: 36333
      -bodyTs: "'12ft.io':81 'actual':94 'also':112 'although':17 'alway':136 'analysi':5 'archive.org':12,18 'away':14 'cach':88,109,140 'captcha':41,50,75 'comment':123,148 'complet':66 'consid':10 'doctrin':115 'everi':63 'expert':8 'fairus':114 'form':71 'get':13,103 'good':47 'googl':86,102 'index':98 'instanc':29,65 'keep':107 'legal':7 'lemmi':28,64 'mechan':24,36 'muahaha':76 'need':3 'note':77 'one':44 'opt':22,34,57,69 'opt-out':21,33,56,68 'perhap':26,43,138 'push':39 'quora':53 'quot':118 'restrict':143 'right':105 'search':97 'serv':84 'site':91 'solv':73 'though':134 'thread':145 'threadivers':133 'use':48,99 'visit':62 'want':54 'well':79 'work':82,120 'would':2"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://slrpnk.net/comment/3068434"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1696709167 {#63
        date: 2023-10-07 22:06:07.0 +02:00
      }
      +"title": 36333
    }
  ]
  -id: 3444
  -titleTs: "'bug':1 'exclus':7 'garden':9 'paywal':5 'peopl':2 'post':4 'wall':8"
  -bodyTs: "'1':90 '2':136 '3':170 '4':197 '5':231 'abl':105 'achiev':205 'altern':172 'app':33 'approach':82,265 'archiv':199 'archive.org':190 'articl':224 'asterisk':290 'automat':157 'bad':271 'basi':119 'becom':289 'blockad':22 'box':124 'button':113 'captcha':19 'cf':185 'click':107 'cloudflar':17,189 'collect':92 'content':64 'crawler':245,293 'd':186 'dark':23 'design':46 'doc':36 'dot':288 'e.g':168,181,287 'enshitif':12,151,278 'esp':25 'etc':37,195 'even':226 'everi':100 'exclus':14 'factor':152 'fail':267 'failur':41,86 'fight':227 'fix':88 'forward':299 'full':213 'garden':16 'give':248 'given':217 'go':298 'good':200 'gotten':260 'high':9,252,277 'hostnam':145 'human':50,236,268 'inclus':171 'indic':126 'inher':48 'instanc':188,194 'invidi':187 'javascript':27 'kind':167 'lemmi':42,154 'lemmybug':307 'level':10 'link':54,68,70,101,110,118,141,161,175,218,239,272,274 'lousi':261 'make':29 'mani':140 'match':150 'medium.com':191 'metric':91,98,137 'mirror':178 'need':94,280,301 'non':57,73,184 'non-cf':183 'non-shit':56,72 'notic':246 'obfusc':283 'obvious':6 'offer':180 'onsit':198 'option':209 'other':220 'over-achiev':203 'overr':296 'particular':128 'pattern':24,148 'paywal':13 'per':117 'per-link':116 'popup':18 'post':53,237,270 'problem':2 'provid':211 'quo':39 'random':192 'rank':253 'reach':7 'read':222 'reader':102 'recogn':304 'replac':174 'rerank':233 'result':258 'samaritan':201 'score':279 'scribe.rip':193 'search':232,244,257,292 'server':155 'shit':58,74,112,131 'shitif':97 'show':146 'site':229,250 'social':81,264 'solut':40 'stage':89,135,169,196,230 'status':38 'system':85 'tag':158 'talk':241 'text':214 'threadivers':44 'tick':123 'tor':21 'tor-blockad':20 'trust':49 'upvot':63 'usag':138 'varieti':129 'venu':75 'w/cookies':26 'wall':15 'warn':164 'way':286 'web':4 'websit':31,59 'whenev':234 'without':225 'work':79 'youtub':182"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1696792431
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://slrpnk.net/post/2895491"
  +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1696706420 {#1547
    date: 2023-10-07 21:20:20.0 +02:00
  }
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1696706031 {#1365
    date: 2023-10-07 21:13:51.0 +02:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1791
  +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1921 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1846 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1750 …}
  +slug: "Bug-people-are-posting-paywalls-and-amp-other-exclusive-walled-gardens"
  +title: "Bug: people are posting paywalls & other exclusive walled gardens"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    **The problem:**\n
    \n
    The web has obviously reached a high level of #enshitification. Paywalls, exclusive walled gardens, #Cloudflare, popups, CAPTCHAs, tor-blockades, dark patterns (esp. w/cookies), javascript that makes the website an app (not a doc), etc.\n
    \n
    **Status quo solution (failure):**\n
    \n
    #Lemmy & the #threadiverse were designed to inherently trust humans to only post links to non-shit websites, and to only upvote content that has no links or links to non-shit venues.\n
    \n
    It’s not working. The social approach is a systemic failure.\n
    \n
    **The fix:**\n
    \n
    - stage 1 (metrics collection): There needs to be shitification metrics for every link. Readers should be able to click a “this link is shit” button on a per-link basis & there should be tick boxes to indicate the particular variety of shit that it is.\n
    - stage 2 (metrics usage): If many links with the same hostname show a pattern of matching enshitification factors, the Lemmy server should automatically tag all those links with a warning of some kind (e.g. ⚠, 💩, 🌩).\n
    - stage 3 (inclusive alternative): A replacement link to a mirror is offered. E.g. youtube → (non-CF’d invidious instance), cloudflare → archive.org, medium.com → (random scribe.rip instance), etc.\n
    - stage 4 (onsite archive): good samaritans and over-achievers should have the option to provide the full text for a given link so others can read the article without even fighting the site.\n
    - stage 5 (search reranking): whenever a human post a link and talks about it, search crawlers notice and give that site a high ranking. This is why search results have gotten lousy – because the social approach has failed. Humans will post bad links. So links with a high enshitification score need to be obfuscated in some way (e.g. dots become asterisks) so search crawlers don’t overrate them going forward.\n
    \n
    This needs to be recognized as a #LemmyBug.
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 24
  +favouriteCount: 31
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1696792624 {#1891
    date: 2023-10-08 21:17:04.0 +02:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1749 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1467 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1474 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1759 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1757 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1781 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1600
      +user: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\User {#1921 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1791 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1846 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2425 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#2425 …}
      +body: """
        It would need some analysis by legal experts. But consider that archive.org gets away with it. Although archive.org has an opt-out mechanism. So perhaps each Lemmy instance should have an opt-out mechanism, which should push a CAPTCHA in perhaps one of few good uses for CAPTCHAs. Then if Quora wants to opt-out, they have to visit every Lemmy instance, complete the opt-out form, and solve the CAPTCHA. Muahaha!\n
        \n
        Note as well how 12ft.io works: it serves you Google’s cache of a site (which is actually what the search index uses). How did Google get a right to keep those caches?\n
        \n
        There’s also the #fairUse doctrine. You can quote a work if your commenting on it. Which is what we do in the threadiverse. Though not always – so perhaps the caching should be restricted to threads that have comments.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1696709167 {#2390
        date: 2023-10-07 22:06:07.0 +02:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: [
        "fairuse"
      ]
      +mentions: [
        "@activistPnk@slrpnk.net"
        "@TootSweet@lemmy.world"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2479 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2398 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1796 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1878 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1912 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1932 …}
      -id: 36333
      -bodyTs: "'12ft.io':81 'actual':94 'also':112 'although':17 'alway':136 'analysi':5 'archive.org':12,18 'away':14 'cach':88,109,140 'captcha':41,50,75 'comment':123,148 'complet':66 'consid':10 'doctrin':115 'everi':63 'expert':8 'fairus':114 'form':71 'get':13,103 'good':47 'googl':86,102 'index':98 'instanc':29,65 'keep':107 'legal':7 'lemmi':28,64 'mechan':24,36 'muahaha':76 'need':3 'note':77 'one':44 'opt':22,34,57,69 'opt-out':21,33,56,68 'perhap':26,43,138 'push':39 'quora':53 'quot':118 'restrict':143 'right':105 'search':97 'serv':84 'site':91 'solv':73 'though':134 'thread':145 'threadivers':133 'use':48,99 'visit':62 'want':54 'well':79 'work':82,120 'would':2"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://slrpnk.net/comment/3068434"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1696709167 {#63
        date: 2023-10-07 22:06:07.0 +02:00
      }
      +"title": 36333
    }
  ]
  -id: 3444
  -titleTs: "'bug':1 'exclus':7 'garden':9 'paywal':5 'peopl':2 'post':4 'wall':8"
  -bodyTs: "'1':90 '2':136 '3':170 '4':197 '5':231 'abl':105 'achiev':205 'altern':172 'app':33 'approach':82,265 'archiv':199 'archive.org':190 'articl':224 'asterisk':290 'automat':157 'bad':271 'basi':119 'becom':289 'blockad':22 'box':124 'button':113 'captcha':19 'cf':185 'click':107 'cloudflar':17,189 'collect':92 'content':64 'crawler':245,293 'd':186 'dark':23 'design':46 'doc':36 'dot':288 'e.g':168,181,287 'enshitif':12,151,278 'esp':25 'etc':37,195 'even':226 'everi':100 'exclus':14 'factor':152 'fail':267 'failur':41,86 'fight':227 'fix':88 'forward':299 'full':213 'garden':16 'give':248 'given':217 'go':298 'good':200 'gotten':260 'high':9,252,277 'hostnam':145 'human':50,236,268 'inclus':171 'indic':126 'inher':48 'instanc':188,194 'invidi':187 'javascript':27 'kind':167 'lemmi':42,154 'lemmybug':307 'level':10 'link':54,68,70,101,110,118,141,161,175,218,239,272,274 'lousi':261 'make':29 'mani':140 'match':150 'medium.com':191 'metric':91,98,137 'mirror':178 'need':94,280,301 'non':57,73,184 'non-cf':183 'non-shit':56,72 'notic':246 'obfusc':283 'obvious':6 'offer':180 'onsit':198 'option':209 'other':220 'over-achiev':203 'overr':296 'particular':128 'pattern':24,148 'paywal':13 'per':117 'per-link':116 'popup':18 'post':53,237,270 'problem':2 'provid':211 'quo':39 'random':192 'rank':253 'reach':7 'read':222 'reader':102 'recogn':304 'replac':174 'rerank':233 'result':258 'samaritan':201 'score':279 'scribe.rip':193 'search':232,244,257,292 'server':155 'shit':58,74,112,131 'shitif':97 'show':146 'site':229,250 'social':81,264 'solut':40 'stage':89,135,169,196,230 'status':38 'system':85 'tag':158 'talk':241 'text':214 'threadivers':44 'tick':123 'tor':21 'tor-blockad':20 'trust':49 'upvot':63 'usag':138 'varieti':129 'venu':75 'w/cookies':26 'wall':15 'warn':164 'way':286 'web':4 'websit':31,59 'whenev':234 'without':225 'work':79 'youtub':182"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1696792431
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://slrpnk.net/post/2895491"
  +editedAt: DateTimeImmutable @1696706420 {#1547
    date: 2023-10-07 21:20:20.0 +02:00
  }
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1696706031 {#1365
    date: 2023-10-07 21:13:51.0 +02:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
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      **Status quo solution (failure):**\n
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      \n
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      - stage 2 (metrics usage): If many links with the same hostname show a pattern of matching enshitification factors, the Lemmy server should automatically tag all those links with a warning of some kind (e.g. ⚠, 💩, 🌩).\n
      - stage 3 (inclusive alternative): A replacement link to a mirror is offered. E.g. youtube → (non-CF’d invidious instance), cloudflare → archive.org, medium.com → (random scribe.rip instance), etc.\n
      - stage 4 (onsite archive): good samaritans and over-achievers should have the option to provide the full text for a given link so others can read the article without even fighting the site.\n
      - stage 5 (search reranking): whenever a human post a link and talks about it, search crawlers notice and give that site a high ranking. This is why search results have gotten lousy – because the social approach has failed. Humans will post bad links. So links with a high enshitification score need to be obfuscated in some way (e.g. dots become asterisks) so search crawlers don’t overrate them going forward.\n
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    It would need some analysis by legal experts. But consider that archive.org gets away with it. Although archive.org has an opt-out mechanism. So perhaps each Lemmy instance should have an opt-out mechanism, which should push a CAPTCHA in perhaps one of few good uses for CAPTCHAs. Then if Quora wants to opt-out, they have to visit every Lemmy instance, complete the opt-out form, and solve the CAPTCHA. Muahaha!\n
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      **The problem:**\n
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