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It’s not working. The social approach is a systemic failure.\n
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**The problem:**\n
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#Lemmy & the #threadiverse were designed to inherently trust humans to only post links to non-shit websites, and to only upvote content that has no links or links to non-shit venues.\n
\n
It’s not working. The social approach is a systemic failure.\n
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- stage 3 (inclusive alternative): A replacement link to a mirror is offered. E.g. youtube → (non-CF’d invidious instance), cloudflare → archive.org, medium.com → (random scribe.rip instance), etc.\n
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**The problem:**\n
\n
The web has obviously reached a high level of #enshitification. Paywalls, exclusive walled gardens, #Cloudflare, popups, CAPTCHAs, tor-blockades, dark patterns (esp. w/cookies), javascript that makes the website an app (not a doc), etc.\n
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\n
It’s not working. The social approach is a systemic failure.\n
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> The metrics need to be centralized.\n
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> this imposes an inefficient amount of effort & expertise on the end-user.\n
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A lot less effort than having to deal with the different “features” that each website admin decides to run on their own.
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**The problem:**\n
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The web has obviously reached a high level of #enshitification. Paywalls, exclusive walled gardens, #Cloudflare, popups, CAPTCHAs, tor-blockades, dark patterns (esp. w/cookies), javascript that makes the website an app (not a doc), etc.\n
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**Status quo solution (failure):**\n
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#Lemmy & the #threadiverse were designed to inherently trust humans to only post links to non-shit websites, and to only upvote content that has no links or links to non-shit venues.\n
\n
It’s not working. The social approach is a systemic failure.\n
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**The fix:**\n
\n
- stage 1 (metrics collection): There needs to be shitification metrics for every link. Readers should be able to click a “this link is shit” button on a per-link basis & there should be tick boxes to indicate the particular variety of shit that it is.\n
- stage 2 (metrics usage): If many links with the same hostname show a pattern of matching enshitification factors, the Lemmy server should automatically tag all those links with a warning of some kind (e.g. ⚠, 💩, 🌩).\n
- stage 3 (inclusive alternative): A replacement link to a mirror is offered. E.g. youtube → (non-CF’d invidious instance), cloudflare → archive.org, medium.com → (random scribe.rip instance), etc.\n
- stage 4 (onsite archive): good samaritans and over-achievers should have the option to provide the full text for a given link so others can read the article without even fighting the site.\n
- stage 5 (search reranking): whenever a human post a link and talks about it, search crawlers notice and give that site a high ranking. This is why search results have gotten lousy – because the social approach has failed. Humans will post bad links. So links with a high enshitification score need to be obfuscated in some way (e.g. dots become asterisks) so search crawlers don’t overrate them going forward.\n
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This needs to be recognized as a #LemmyBug.
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> The metrics need to be centralized.\n
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Why? And how would guarantee the integrity of the ones holding the metrics?\n
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A lot less effort than having to deal with the different “features” that each website admin decides to run on their own.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
\n
Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
\n
> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
\n
> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
\n
This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
\n
Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
\n
We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
\n
> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
\n
The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
\n
Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
\n
> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
\n
This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
\n
> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
\n
- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
\n
> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
\n
Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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+body: "That’s exactly what I am doing for lots of communities that have no reddit equivalent, and what I did for !main@selfhosted.forum when it was clear that !selfhosted@lemmy.world was already somewhat active. Regarding these, go take a look at the usage numbers for both, tell me which is going up and which is going down…"
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
\n
Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
\n
- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
\n
> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
\n
Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
\n
- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
\n
> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
\n
The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
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I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
\n
- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
\n
> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
\n
> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
\n
This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
\n
- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
\n
Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
\n
Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
\n
We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
\n
> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
\n
The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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+body: "That’s exactly what I am doing for lots of communities that have no reddit equivalent, and what I did for !main@selfhosted.forum when it was clear that !selfhosted@lemmy.world was already somewhat active. Regarding these, go take a look at the usage numbers for both, tell me which is going up and which is going down…"
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
\n
> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
\n
> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
\n
- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
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Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
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Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
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That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
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The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
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The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
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I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
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That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
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The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
\n
> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
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\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
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That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
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I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
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That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
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The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
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The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
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- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
\n
> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
\n
> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
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- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
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- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
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Agree, 100%.\n
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> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
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Agree, 100%.\n
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> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
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That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
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The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
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- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
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I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
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The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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+body: "That’s exactly what I am doing for lots of communities that have no reddit equivalent, and what I did for !main@selfhosted.forum when it was clear that !selfhosted@lemmy.world was already somewhat active. Regarding these, go take a look at the usage numbers for both, tell me which is going up and which is going down…"
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
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- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
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I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
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The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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+body: "That’s exactly what I am doing for lots of communities that have no reddit equivalent, and what I did for !main@selfhosted.forum when it was clear that !selfhosted@lemmy.world was already somewhat active. Regarding these, go take a look at the usage numbers for both, tell me which is going up and which is going down…"
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
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The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
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The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
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I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
\n
Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
\n
I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
\n
> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
\n
Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
\n
The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
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\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
\n
I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
- Despite the usual criticism of mirroring bots, the way that the fediverser tool works is showing to actually *help* interaction. In the past two weeks, I’m seeing an above average increase of subscriber and (more importantly) user count on communities like !main@selfhosted.forum, !homelab@selfhosted.forum and !emacs@communick.news
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
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The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
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\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
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Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
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That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
\n
The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
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\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
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Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
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The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
\n
No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
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The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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+body: "That’s exactly what I am doing for lots of communities that have no reddit equivalent, and what I did for !main@selfhosted.forum when it was clear that !selfhosted@lemmy.world was already somewhat active. Regarding these, go take a look at the usage numbers for both, tell me which is going up and which is going down…"
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
\n
The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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Arguments to support the idea:\n
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- According to browse.feddit.de, this is the largest community for showcasing electronics projects, the last post is almost one month old.\n
- People that signup to [alien.top](https://alien.top) via the [fediverserver portal](https://portal.alien.top) will have this community as the recommended alternative to /r/electronics, but they will pretty much never see it if the community does not have any fresh content and will be more likely to lose interest.\n
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The point is not *just* to mirror posts, it’s also to create a clear migration path for people who are still using reddit because the niche communities have not achieved critical mass here.\n
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Besides, those who are on lemmy.world have nothing to worry about because the LW admins have defederated from alien.top.
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Your points are valid, but turns out that the practice is showing different results:\n
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> the original asker is not here to get the answer.\n
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I’m working on two-way communication. Responses to a mirrored comment here will trigger a notification to the original reddit poster and a comment to the reddit thread linking to the lemmy conversation.\n
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> It’s frustrating to put out a well thought out answer then realize that the person who asked will never see it.\n
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This is not what is happening at the selfhosted communities. Turns out that a lot of the initial posts are enough to foster a discussion between people on Lemmy already.
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> Cross-post bots are not the way to build a community.\n
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The community already exists, it’s just that they are located in a place where we don’t want to be. The goal is to get the majority to switch and re-center in a place that is determined by the [intolerant minority](https://medium.com/incerto/the-most-intolerant-wins-the-dictatorship-of-the-small-minority-3f1f83ce4e15).\n
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> As though, all the good content is on reddit but we’re all camped out here on lemmy.\n
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Which is true, if we are being honest. And if we are being even more honest with ourselves, most of the people that came to Lemmy are going back to Reddit because *there is no content for the niche communities here*. I mean, look at this community: last post is from 27 days ago. Do you really think that it is doing well by itself?\n
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We had over 100k MAU in July. We are down to 35k *and it keeps going down*.\n
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Our problem should not be with the people on reddit, but reddit itself. Instead of pretending that we don’t care about the people there, we should try to find ways to bring them here.\n
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> Would this even be allowed on reddit? Surely from the perspective of a reddit mod / admin this would just be spam?\n
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The comment would not be coming from a bot account, it would come from the redditor who have used the “[Fediverser portal](https://portal.alien.top)” to connect the accounts (and given permission to send comments) so it would also be “organic”.
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+body: "That’s exactly what I am doing for lots of communities that have no reddit equivalent, and what I did for !main@selfhosted.forum when it was clear that !selfhosted@lemmy.world was already somewhat active. Regarding these, go take a look at the usage numbers for both, tell me which is going up and which is going down…"
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My main goals with this tool are:\n
\n
- completely drop reddit without losing access to its content and the communities that are there.\n
- create a migration path for the people who are on reddit and don’t want to give it away because there is no real alternative.\n
\n
I’m also one that comments, I just don’t want to do that *on reddit* anymore. I want to be able to do that on Lemmy, and have the two-way bridge until the community here is self-sustainable. This is how I think this tool can be helpful.
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> An online community is not a set of users, it’s a combination of culture and momentum.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The thing is, you can’t force it.\n
\n
Agree, 100%.\n
\n
> The solution I’m proposing is to post real actual content. Subscribe to some rss feeds. Any single post like this has 100 times the value of something re-posted from reddit.\n
\n
That’s where we disagree. Not because I don’t think there is value in what you are saying. There absolute is value and it is very important that we have real people doing. But I don’t think this is *enough*.\n
\n
The problem is that we can not do that for all of the interests that we have. Do you know the rule of “1/9/90” of social media? I had about 40 subreddits I was subscribed to, and I would post to 1 or 2 (rarely), comment on about 5 (more frequently) and just lurk around the rest. /r/electronics is in the latter category.\n
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I mean, go look at my profile history. I think I posted more than 300 posts with content from many different communities. My past time this summer was to find different content to post in the different communities I was subscribed to or even that I created myself. I would sometimes even go out of my way to make a post about something where I *knew* I wouldn’t get the answer, but I thought it would be better to write it down as a way to show some signs of life. And you still think that I should “go read some books so I can ask questions”?\n
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No, I’m sorry. That is just too much. It is a lot easier (and effective) to just write a tool that can bring the content in the format that I want, and hope that it can be useful for others.\n
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The thing is, this tool is definitely built for the 90%, and the reason that it is working it *precisely* because of that. I am closer to leave reddit altogether because this tool lets me *read* things here. The more people are able to do this, the more the network effects will kick in and the easier it will be for the communities to move. It won’t be “forced”, but we will get to the point where the majority will be able to say “it’s fine either way by me, so I might as well do it from lemmy”.
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