GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@u_tamtam@programming.dev

Response
200 OK
IP
47.128.112.105
Profiled on
Token
0b5804

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
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context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
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  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
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Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
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}
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Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
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  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
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Authenticators

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Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
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2 
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12 
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    \n
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    \n
    I know both Apple and Microsoft are greedy CorpGiants, but seeing as I have an iPhone, I figure it would be easier using a Mac? But then again, the prices really are not worth it, especially considering it costs a lot to repair them. I have 0 experience with Linux, and this computer will be used at school, so I suppose it stands between macOS and Windows.\n
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        They both qualify as “open, federated messaging protocols”, with XMPP being the oldest (about 25 years old) and an internet standard (IETF) but at this point we can consider Matrix to be quite old, too (10 years old). On the paper they are quite interchangeable, they both focus on bridging with established protocols, etc.\n
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          They both qualify as “open, federated messaging protocols”, with XMPP being the oldest (about 25 years old) and an internet standard (IETF) but at this point we can consider Matrix to be quite old, too (10 years old). On the paper they are quite interchangeable, they both focus on bridging with established protocols, etc.\n
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      Registration Code good for one week 25 users\n
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    > public Matrix server\n
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      +body: "and why would that be? More abstraction thrown in for the sake of sysadmin convenience doesn’t magically make things more efficient…"
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        Well, that is boldly assuming:\n
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        - that the sum of those individual components work as well and as efficiently as a single (highly-optimized) pooled instance: every service/database in its own container duplicates tight event loops, socket communications, JITs, caches, … instead of pooling it and optimizing globally for the whole server, wasting threads, causing CPU cache misses, missing optimization paths, and increasing CPU load in the process\n
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      +body: "See my reply to a sibling post. Nextcloud can do a great many things, are your dozen other containers really comparable? Would throwing in another “heavy” container like Gitlab not also result in the same outcome?"
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        > Most containers don’t package DB programs. Precisely so you don’t have to run 10 different database programs. You can have one Postgres container or whatever.\n
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        Well, that’s not the case of the official Nextcloud image: [hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud](https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud) (it defaults to sqlite which might as well be the reason of so many complaints), and the point about services duplication still holds: [github.com/docker-library/repo-info/…/nextcloud](https://github.com/docker-library/repo-info/tree/master/repos/nextcloud)\n
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        I’m not saying it’s not feasible, I’m saying that nextcloud’s packaging can be quite tricky due to the breadth of its scope, and by the time you’ve given yourself fair chances for success, you’ve already thrown away most of the convenience docker brings.
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        > Most containers don’t package DB programs. Precisely so you don’t have to run 10 different database programs. You can have one Postgres container or whatever.\n
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          > Most containers don’t package DB programs. Precisely so you don’t have to run 10 different database programs. You can have one Postgres container or whatever.\n
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          > Most containers don’t package DB programs. Precisely so you don’t have to run 10 different database programs. You can have one Postgres container or whatever.\n
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    > Most containers don’t package DB programs. Precisely so you don’t have to run 10 different database programs. You can have one Postgres container or whatever.\n
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    Well, that’s not the case of the official Nextcloud image: [hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud](https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud) (it defaults to sqlite which might as well be the reason of so many complaints), and the point about services duplication still holds: [github.com/docker-library/repo-info/…/nextcloud](https://github.com/docker-library/repo-info/tree/master/repos/nextcloud)\n
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    I’m not saying it’s not feasible, I’m saying that nextcloud’s packaging can be quite tricky due to the breadth of its scope, and by the time you’ve given yourself fair chances for success, you’ve already thrown away most of the convenience docker brings.
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          Well, that is boldly assuming:\n
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          - that the sum of those individual components work as well and as efficiently as a single (highly-optimized) pooled instance: every service/database in its own container duplicates tight event loops, socket communications, JITs, caches, … instead of pooling it and optimizing globally for the whole server, wasting threads, causing CPU cache misses, missing optimization paths, and increasing CPU load in the process\n
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    Well, that’s not the case of the official Nextcloud image: [hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud](https://hub.docker.com/_/nextcloud) (it defaults to sqlite which might as well be the reason of so many complaints), and the point about services duplication still holds: [github.com/docker-library/repo-info/…/nextcloud](https://github.com/docker-library/repo-info/tree/master/repos/nextcloud)\n
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
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"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
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"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
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