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> But opening up that definition\n
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It’s not “opening up” a definition. It *is* the definition.\n
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> But opening up that definition means we need another way to refer to people who are physically transitioning, because there are meaningful differences in their experiences and needs.\n
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No we don’t. Not everyone who undergoes medical transition undergoes the same journey. Some folk want surgery, some folk want HRT, some folk want both, some folk want one but not the other. Some folk want to micro dose, some folk want to replicate cis hormone levels.\n
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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"I don’t hate gay folk, but… "\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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"I don’t hate gay folk, but… "\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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"I don’t hate gay folk, but… "\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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"I don’t hate gay folk, but… "\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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"I don’t hate gay folk, but… "\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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"I don’t hate gay folk, but… "\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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"I don’t hate gay folk, but… "\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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"I don’t hate gay folk, but… "\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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No, they wouldn’t. They would just say that they don’t hate queer folk, because they don’t want to hurt/exile/kill them etc. They do this already.\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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It’s not that someone “could” do this. They already do. They will come up with a million excuses as to why they’re not bigoted/prejudiced.\n
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You know the cliche “I’m not racist, but…” That’s the phenomena in action.\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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And that’s the core of my issue with your whole question.\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”? Surely there are people who simply hate homosexuality without necessarily fearing it, and vice versa. Someone who hates homosexuality should probably be condemned for their unreasonable and hateful prejudices, but should someone who actually *fears* homosexuality but without hating it be condemned in the same way? Why isn’t there a distinction?\n
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And similarly, why do we have words like “arachnophobia” which means a fear of something (not necessarily a hatred of it; though you *might* hate what you fear, that isn’t necessarily always the case, nor is the opposite always true either (fearing what you hate)), but “homophobia” is used to mean “hatred of homosexuality” rather than a genuine fear of it without necessarily hating it?\n
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It makes me feel a bit sorry (as much as one can) for people who might genuinely be *afraid* of the idea of homosexuality, maybe even struggling with their own sexuality or possibly in denial of being homosexual themself, but without hating it at all (even possibly being supportive of it), not having a word that conveys a fear of the concept/phenomenon without any kind of disdain for it, since “homophobia” would generally be interpreted to mean something far more negative. Usually when someone has a phobia for something, we support them to deal with it in a non-accusatory way, but in this case, well, I guess there isn’t even a word for that kind of phobia if it’s actually a phobia in the usual sense.
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> Is there a word that means “a hatred of gay people”, rather than “a fear of or aversion to gay people”?\n
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No, because that’s just semantic wiggle room to give bigots a way of excusing their bigotry.\n
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For example. “I don’t hate gay people, and I’m not afraid of them, so I’m not homophobic. I just don’t want to see them, and they shouldn’t be able to get married”. It’s a statement that is clearly biased against queer folk, and that’s the issue that needs to be addressed. But discussions like the one you’re suggesting just lead to irrelevant arguments over exactly what type of bigotry is being displayed, rather than telling the bigot to get bent, which suits the needs of the bigots fine.
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And there it is! It’s my fault you hated folk like me when you were younger, and also my fault for not educating you.\n
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Folk hating on me and trying to take my rights away is something I live with every day. According to your framing here, the fact someone didn’t take the responsibility for educating you, whilst folk are trying to remove the rights of folk like me is somehow the real issue, and somehow it’s actually you that were wronged.\n
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Do the work, and own your responsibility in the whole affair. It’s on *you* to undo the harm you do to others, not on the people you are harming. Don’t palm the responsibility on to the people you were throwing bullshit at.
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> I see what you mean. I guess it’s hard though because currently they can already say that\n
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And you’re right, they do. But I’ve got little interest in providing them with more nuance to explain why they want me to have less rights than them.\n
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> whereas if there was a word that meant hatred of gay people, they would have to admit they are that thing instead\n
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> I don’t know what we can say to people who aren’t hateful but just afraid of the idea of homosexuality.\n
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In all my years, I’ve never encountered such a person. If they do exist, then they can just explain it to their therapist in full sentences as needed, rather than normalising some forms of bigotry.\n
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Even if someone is “afraid” of gay folk, that’s still *their* problem. It’s something *they* need to work on, rather than pushing the mental cost of working through their irrational fears on people that are already unfairly targeted by bigotry.
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> They aren’t hateful\n
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Yes, they are. They may have been taught to be that way, but however they got there, that’s how they ended up. People indoctrinated in to hate still spread hate. And it’s not the duty of the people targeted by that hate to educate the people oppressing them. They may choose to do so, but that’s their choice. There is no scenario in which the hateful is owed education by the people they’re hating on, even if the hateful person simply “doesn’t know any better”\n
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> Here’s an analogy for you, if you go into a forest and find a stick and hit some animal with the stick the animal will respond defensively. It started off scared but not it considers you a threat.\n
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You’re the person with the stick in this analogy. You may have been told that carrying the stick is ok, and you may not have known better, but either way, you were the person walking in to the forest and hitting things, but the difference is, you expect the critters that you were hitting to tell you that it’s a bad thing, and you’re upset *at the critters* for not educating you, instead of being upset at the people who told you the stick was ok in the first place.\n
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> I’m adding on to this. Fucking look at MLK Jr. He encountered both hate and ignorance sometimes together and sometimes just ignorance. You never once saw him preach “go be an asshole”\n
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Outreach isn’t a duty, it’s a choice, and unless you’re a dick, it’s not something you expect from every member of the vulnerable folk you’ve been hating on. And on top of that, if the actions of one or more people you personally don’t like impact your acceptance of an entire vulnerable minority group, then, well, you’ve still got work to do, because you’re still carrying that stick.
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> certainly someone could claim to be just afraid of homosexuality while using that as a cover for actually hating it or being prejudiced against it or homosexual people\n
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> doesn’t exactly fit the hypothetical I described\n
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You’re trying to solve a hypothetical scenario that doesn’t occur in any meaningful way, with a solution that makes it easier for bigots to display their bigotry with less pushback. It doesn’t solve any real world issues that can’t already be addressed by conversation with a therapist, and it does it by creating further opportunities for bigots to pretend that they aren’t bigoted.
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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Ok, there’s your instance, instance A, that hosts your personal account. There’s the instance that hosts the community, instance B, and a random instance that your content has federated to, but doesn’t host you or the community directly. This is instance C.\n
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Ok, there’s your instance, instance A, that hosts your personal account. There’s the instance that hosts the community, instance B, and a random instance that your content has federated to, but doesn’t host you or the community directly. This is instance C.\n
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Not quite. An account on instance C that has moderator privileges on a community hosted on instance B can’t take any direct actions against instance B content.\n
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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Fairly quickly thereafter, I got a DM saying that the post had been removed because someone who disagreed with me complained. Oddly though, the DM came from a @Automod@lemmy.world - not the server hosting the community.\n
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Furthermore, I still see the post when I go looking - and there has been a bit of discussion about it.\n
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So my questions:\n
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(a) Can a post be removed from a specific federated instance without being removed from the original instance? (b) Is there an appeal process for removed posts? I’m sorry that the guy got all butthurt, but my post was sincere, measured, and (I think) reasonable. If it offended someone, they should discuss it.
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Ok, there’s your instance, instance A, that hosts your personal account. There’s the instance that hosts the community, instance B, and a random instance that your content has federated to, but doesn’t host you or the community directly. This is instance C.\n
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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Fairly quickly thereafter, I got a DM saying that the post had been removed because someone who disagreed with me complained. Oddly though, the DM came from a @Automod@lemmy.world - not the server hosting the community.\n
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Furthermore, I still see the post when I go looking - and there has been a bit of discussion about it.\n
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So my questions:\n
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(a) Can a post be removed from a specific federated instance without being removed from the original instance? (b) Is there an appeal process for removed posts? I’m sorry that the guy got all butthurt, but my post was sincere, measured, and (I think) reasonable. If it offended someone, they should discuss it.
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Ok, there’s your instance, instance A, that hosts your personal account. There’s the instance that hosts the community, instance B, and a random instance that your content has federated to, but doesn’t host you or the community directly. This is instance C.\n
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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Ok, there’s your instance, instance A, that hosts your personal account. There’s the instance that hosts the community, instance B, and a random instance that your content has federated to, but doesn’t host you or the community directly. This is instance C.\n
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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Ok, there’s your instance, instance A, that hosts your personal account. There’s the instance that hosts the community, instance B, and a random instance that your content has federated to, but doesn’t host you or the community directly. This is instance C.\n
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If an admin on A (instance A mods can’t remove this post) removes your post, it gets removed on other instances too, including B and C.\n
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If an admin or community mod on instance B removes your post, it gets removed on other instances too, including A and C.\n
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However, if an admin on C removes your post (a moderator on C can’t), then it is only removed on instance C. Instance A and B and any other instances the content has federated to aside from C, continue to see replies, edits, votes etc
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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If there is a community mod on instance C, that moderator can remove the post and the removal will federate, even when an admin removal on instance C will not (unless that admin is also a community mod for the instance B community)
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Not quite. An account on instance C that has moderator privileges on a community hosted on instance B can’t take any direct actions against instance B content.\n
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All that can do is remove it in instance C. However, because they’re a moderator, that removal will federate to instance B, which will remove it there, and then federate that removal to any instance that the post federated to originally.
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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Fairly quickly thereafter, I got a DM saying that the post had been removed because someone who disagreed with me complained. Oddly though, the DM came from a @Automod@lemmy.world - not the server hosting the community.\n
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Furthermore, I still see the post when I go looking - and there has been a bit of discussion about it.\n
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So my questions:\n
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(a) Can a post be removed from a specific federated instance without being removed from the original instance? (b) Is there an appeal process for removed posts? I’m sorry that the guy got all butthurt, but my post was sincere, measured, and (I think) reasonable. If it offended someone, they should discuss it.
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Ok, there’s your instance, instance A, that hosts your personal account. There’s the instance that hosts the community, instance B, and a random instance that your content has federated to, but doesn’t host you or the community directly. This is instance C.\n
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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Not quite. An account on instance C that has moderator privileges on a community hosted on instance B can’t take any direct actions against instance B content.\n
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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Ok, there’s your instance, instance A, that hosts your personal account. There’s the instance that hosts the community, instance B, and a random instance that your content has federated to, but doesn’t host you or the community directly. This is instance C.\n
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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Not quite. An account on instance C that has moderator privileges on a community hosted on instance B can’t take any direct actions against instance B content.\n
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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Not quite. An account on instance C that has moderator privileges on a community hosted on instance B can’t take any direct actions against instance B content.\n
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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(a) Can a post be removed from a specific federated instance without being removed from the original instance? (b) Is there an appeal process for removed posts? I’m sorry that the guy got all butthurt, but my post was sincere, measured, and (I think) reasonable. If it offended someone, they should discuss it.
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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Yesterday I created a post on a regional community on lemmy.ca.\n
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(a) Can a post be removed from a specific federated instance without being removed from the original instance? (b) Is there an appeal process for removed posts? I’m sorry that the guy got all butthurt, but my post was sincere, measured, and (I think) reasonable. If it offended someone, they should discuss it.
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One final point. My example above only works if there are no mods for the community on instance C.\n
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Not quite. An account on instance C that has moderator privileges on a community hosted on instance B can’t take any direct actions against instance B content.\n
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