Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
19.85 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
0.06 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER
null
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS DENIED
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate
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      Reminder: The [terms of service](https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/) apply here too.\n
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      \n
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"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit
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      A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions\n
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      ------------------------\n
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      ---\n
      \n
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      \n
      5) This is not a support community.It is not a place for ‘how do I?’, type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to [Lemmy.world Support](https://lemmy.world/c/support) or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      Reminder: The [terms of service](https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/) apply here too.\n
      \n
      Partnered Communities:\n
      ----------------------\n
      \n
      [Tech Support](/c/techsupport@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [No Stupid Questions](/c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [You Should Know](/c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [Reddit](/c/reddit@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [Jokes](/c/jokes@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [Ask Ouija](/c/askouija@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
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      \n
      Logo design credit goes to: [tubbadu](/u/tubbadu@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
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      \n
      ![](https://img.shields.io/lemmy/asklemmy%40lemmy.world?logo=lemmy&label=Total%20Subscribers)
      """
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    Let’s assume we want all people to have health care. What are the steps / methods most likely to get us there?\n
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    In the U.S. seems like we’re a long way from that goal. I’m curious about chunking down the big goal into smaller steps. Interested to hear perspectives from other countries too.
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
ACCESS DENIED
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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ACCESS ABSTAIN
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4 DENIED moderate
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      A Fediverse community for open-ended, thought provoking questions\n
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      \n
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      \n
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      \n
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      3) No spamPlease do not flood the community with nonsense. Actual suspected spammers will be banned on site. No astroturfing.\n
      \n
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      \n
      4) NSFW is okay, within reasonJust remember to tag posts with either a content warning or a [NSFW] tag. Overtly sexual posts are not allowed, please direct them to either [!asklemmyafterdark@lemmy.world](https://lemmy.world/c/asklemmyafterdark) or [!asklemmynsfw@lemmynsfw.com](https://lemmynsfw.com/c/asklemmynsfw). NSFW comments should be restricted to posts tagged [NSFW].\n
      \n
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      \n
      5) This is not a support community.It is not a place for ‘how do I?’, type questions. If you have any questions regarding the site itself or would like to report a community, please direct them to [Lemmy.world Support](https://lemmy.world/c/support) or email info@lemmy.world. For other questions check our partnered communities list, or use the search function.\n
      \n
      ---\n
      \n
      Reminder: The [terms of service](https://legal.lemmy.world/tos/) apply here too.\n
      \n
      Partnered Communities:\n
      ----------------------\n
      \n
      [Tech Support](/c/techsupport@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [No Stupid Questions](/c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [You Should Know](/c/youshouldknow@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [Reddit](/c/reddit@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [Jokes](/c/jokes@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
      [Ask Ouija](/c/askouija@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
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      \n
      Logo design credit goes to: [tubbadu](/u/tubbadu@lemmy.world)\n
      \n
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    a 4th wing of the government gets created, appointed by popular vote - it has oversight over everything beneath this paragraph. funded by legislative branch, veto powers over it held by the electoral branch, and life/death/malpractice issues decided by the judicial branch. the 4th branch controls nation-wide medial staffing, coverage/who is allowed to get what treatment, R&D, and building new/repairing existing medical infrastructure.\n
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    the current system isnt going to provide the same level of healthcare that we have now to everyone, its just impossible - but R&D is now run by the government,… so gene therapy for diseases that only affect a few thousands of people dont get funded. perhaps they get treated internationally, or die. doesnt really matter - the goal is to treat as many people as possible with as few resources as possible, as cheaply as possible, for as long as possible. no one is allowed to stay on life preserving machines when they’re too old or ill - we pull the plug. machines are useful if you’re in surgery and only then. you can choose not to get medical aid but if your wages arent getting garnished to pay your fair share, and you get hurt, well, too bad. opting into the national health plan = opting into organ harvesting if your brainbox goes flatline and the organs can be better used by someone else. no more burial at death, it’s incineration only. religious exemptions are not permitted.\n
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    structure the system so that medical personnel are paid according to position - not by experience/seniority, or how much education is needed. flat rates. no unions, no organizations, no private practices - the system is run by the 4th branch of the government, and they set the rates. pay rates would be linked to national inflation rates. the number of specialists would be tied to population of a given area - that includes plastic/cosmetic surgeons as well as sex change specialists. traveling across the country to see a specialist is not permitted - they come to you, within a limited geographic area or you dont get the treatment you want. best cosmetic surgeon not available? go travel internationally if you dont like it, we dont care. need an emergency dental procedure? visit the hospital, a generalist will see to you - private practices are no longer permitted (it’d be filed under malpractice).\n
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    this would fix a lot of the issues that people in America have with the medical/insurance system - but it would introduce a lot of the issues that socialized medicine has in countries like Canada or England. might be worth a try anyway, our current system is untenable, unwieldly, and prone to error.
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    American here. I dont have the answer but these are my thoughts.\n
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    a 4th wing of the government gets created, appointed by popular vote - it has oversight over everything beneath this paragraph. funded by legislative branch, veto powers over it held by the electoral branch, and life/death/malpractice issues decided by the judicial branch. the 4th branch controls nation-wide medial staffing, coverage/who is allowed to get what treatment, R&D, and building new/repairing existing medical infrastructure.\n
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    first of all I’d wipe the slate clean - immediately and permanently scrap all current healthcare and insurance systems. get rid of all private medical/drug companies. they all get broken up and assimilated by the government. no choices, it’s what gets to happen. no golden parachutes, no buyouts, no backroom deals. elimination.\n
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    the current system isnt going to provide the same level of healthcare that we have now to everyone, its just impossible - but R&D is now run by the government,… so gene therapy for diseases that only affect a few thousands of people dont get funded. perhaps they get treated internationally, or die. doesnt really matter - the goal is to treat as many people as possible with as few resources as possible, as cheaply as possible, for as long as possible. no one is allowed to stay on life preserving machines when they’re too old or ill - we pull the plug. machines are useful if you’re in surgery and only then. you can choose not to get medical aid but if your wages arent getting garnished to pay your fair share, and you get hurt, well, too bad. opting into the national health plan = opting into organ harvesting if your brainbox goes flatline and the organs can be better used by someone else. no more burial at death, it’s incineration only. religious exemptions are not permitted.\n
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    structure the system so that medical personnel are paid according to position - not by experience/seniority, or how much education is needed. flat rates. no unions, no organizations, no private practices - the system is run by the 4th branch of the government, and they set the rates. pay rates would be linked to national inflation rates. the number of specialists would be tied to population of a given area - that includes plastic/cosmetic surgeons as well as sex change specialists. traveling across the country to see a specialist is not permitted - they come to you, within a limited geographic area or you dont get the treatment you want. best cosmetic surgeon not available? go travel internationally if you dont like it, we dont care. need an emergency dental procedure? visit the hospital, a generalist will see to you - private practices are no longer permitted (it’d be filed under malpractice).\n
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    this would fix a lot of the issues that people in America have with the medical/insurance system - but it would introduce a lot of the issues that socialized medicine has in countries like Canada or England. might be worth a try anyway, our current system is untenable, unwieldly, and prone to error.
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    American here. I dont have the answer but these are my thoughts.\n
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    first of all I’d wipe the slate clean - immediately and permanently scrap all current healthcare and insurance systems. get rid of all private medical/drug companies. they all get broken up and assimilated by the government. no choices, it’s what gets to happen. no golden parachutes, no buyouts, no backroom deals. elimination.\n
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    the current system isnt going to provide the same level of healthcare that we have now to everyone, its just impossible - but R&D is now run by the government,… so gene therapy for diseases that only affect a few thousands of people dont get funded. perhaps they get treated internationally, or die. doesnt really matter - the goal is to treat as many people as possible with as few resources as possible, as cheaply as possible, for as long as possible. no one is allowed to stay on life preserving machines when they’re too old or ill - we pull the plug. machines are useful if you’re in surgery and only then. you can choose not to get medical aid but if your wages arent getting garnished to pay your fair share, and you get hurt, well, too bad. opting into the national health plan = opting into organ harvesting if your brainbox goes flatline and the organs can be better used by someone else. no more burial at death, it’s incineration only. religious exemptions are not permitted.\n
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    this would fix a lot of the issues that people in America have with the medical/insurance system - but it would introduce a lot of the issues that socialized medicine has in countries like Canada or England. might be worth a try anyway, our current system is untenable, unwieldly, and prone to error.
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      a 4th wing of the government gets created, appointed by popular vote - it has oversight over everything beneath this paragraph. funded by legislative branch, veto powers over it held by the electoral branch, and life/death/malpractice issues decided by the judicial branch. the 4th branch controls nation-wide medial staffing, coverage/who is allowed to get what treatment, R&D, and building new/repairing existing medical infrastructure.\n
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      structure the system so that medical personnel are paid according to position - not by experience/seniority, or how much education is needed. flat rates. no unions, no organizations, no private practices - the system is run by the 4th branch of the government, and they set the rates. pay rates would be linked to national inflation rates. the number of specialists would be tied to population of a given area - that includes plastic/cosmetic surgeons as well as sex change specialists. traveling across the country to see a specialist is not permitted - they come to you, within a limited geographic area or you dont get the treatment you want. best cosmetic surgeon not available? go travel internationally if you dont like it, we dont care. need an emergency dental procedure? visit the hospital, a generalist will see to you - private practices are no longer permitted (it’d be filed under malpractice).\n
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      this would fix a lot of the issues that people in America have with the medical/insurance system - but it would introduce a lot of the issues that socialized medicine has in countries like Canada or England. might be worth a try anyway, our current system is untenable, unwieldly, and prone to error.
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    I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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      American here. I dont have the answer but these are my thoughts.\n
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      a 4th wing of the government gets created, appointed by popular vote - it has oversight over everything beneath this paragraph. funded by legislative branch, veto powers over it held by the electoral branch, and life/death/malpractice issues decided by the judicial branch. the 4th branch controls nation-wide medial staffing, coverage/who is allowed to get what treatment, R&D, and building new/repairing existing medical infrastructure.\n
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      first of all I’d wipe the slate clean - immediately and permanently scrap all current healthcare and insurance systems. get rid of all private medical/drug companies. they all get broken up and assimilated by the government. no choices, it’s what gets to happen. no golden parachutes, no buyouts, no backroom deals. elimination.\n
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      the current system isnt going to provide the same level of healthcare that we have now to everyone, its just impossible - but R&D is now run by the government,… so gene therapy for diseases that only affect a few thousands of people dont get funded. perhaps they get treated internationally, or die. doesnt really matter - the goal is to treat as many people as possible with as few resources as possible, as cheaply as possible, for as long as possible. no one is allowed to stay on life preserving machines when they’re too old or ill - we pull the plug. machines are useful if you’re in surgery and only then. you can choose not to get medical aid but if your wages arent getting garnished to pay your fair share, and you get hurt, well, too bad. opting into the national health plan = opting into organ harvesting if your brainbox goes flatline and the organs can be better used by someone else. no more burial at death, it’s incineration only. religious exemptions are not permitted.\n
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      structure the system so that medical personnel are paid according to position - not by experience/seniority, or how much education is needed. flat rates. no unions, no organizations, no private practices - the system is run by the 4th branch of the government, and they set the rates. pay rates would be linked to national inflation rates. the number of specialists would be tied to population of a given area - that includes plastic/cosmetic surgeons as well as sex change specialists. traveling across the country to see a specialist is not permitted - they come to you, within a limited geographic area or you dont get the treatment you want. best cosmetic surgeon not available? go travel internationally if you dont like it, we dont care. need an emergency dental procedure? visit the hospital, a generalist will see to you - private practices are no longer permitted (it’d be filed under malpractice).\n
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      automate as much as possible - many if not most administrative positions cease to be a thing anymore - medical billing? lol we have software for that. insurance? a thing of the past, your wages will be garnished to fund the program. hospital administration will likewise be cut by 90%, automated away by software.\n
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      this would fix a lot of the issues that people in America have with the medical/insurance system - but it would introduce a lot of the issues that socialized medicine has in countries like Canada or England. might be worth a try anyway, our current system is untenable, unwieldly, and prone to error.
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    I don’t think you’re being serious, but the idea isn’t to give everyone worse care. If you talk to people from the UK, France, Spain, Germany, Australia, Canada, or any other country that has universal healthcare (all the green ones on this map) they would have plenty to say about things that could improve. You also wouldn’t find too many who would be willing to trade with the U.S.\n
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      American here. I dont have the answer but these are my thoughts.\n
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      a 4th wing of the government gets created, appointed by popular vote - it has oversight over everything beneath this paragraph. funded by legislative branch, veto powers over it held by the electoral branch, and life/death/malpractice issues decided by the judicial branch. the 4th branch controls nation-wide medial staffing, coverage/who is allowed to get what treatment, R&D, and building new/repairing existing medical infrastructure.\n
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      first of all I’d wipe the slate clean - immediately and permanently scrap all current healthcare and insurance systems. get rid of all private medical/drug companies. they all get broken up and assimilated by the government. no choices, it’s what gets to happen. no golden parachutes, no buyouts, no backroom deals. elimination.\n
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      the current system isnt going to provide the same level of healthcare that we have now to everyone, its just impossible - but R&D is now run by the government,… so gene therapy for diseases that only affect a few thousands of people dont get funded. perhaps they get treated internationally, or die. doesnt really matter - the goal is to treat as many people as possible with as few resources as possible, as cheaply as possible, for as long as possible. no one is allowed to stay on life preserving machines when they’re too old or ill - we pull the plug. machines are useful if you’re in surgery and only then. you can choose not to get medical aid but if your wages arent getting garnished to pay your fair share, and you get hurt, well, too bad. opting into the national health plan = opting into organ harvesting if your brainbox goes flatline and the organs can be better used by someone else. no more burial at death, it’s incineration only. religious exemptions are not permitted.\n
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      structure the system so that medical personnel are paid according to position - not by experience/seniority, or how much education is needed. flat rates. no unions, no organizations, no private practices - the system is run by the 4th branch of the government, and they set the rates. pay rates would be linked to national inflation rates. the number of specialists would be tied to population of a given area - that includes plastic/cosmetic surgeons as well as sex change specialists. traveling across the country to see a specialist is not permitted - they come to you, within a limited geographic area or you dont get the treatment you want. best cosmetic surgeon not available? go travel internationally if you dont like it, we dont care. need an emergency dental procedure? visit the hospital, a generalist will see to you - private practices are no longer permitted (it’d be filed under malpractice).\n
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      automate as much as possible - many if not most administrative positions cease to be a thing anymore - medical billing? lol we have software for that. insurance? a thing of the past, your wages will be garnished to fund the program. hospital administration will likewise be cut by 90%, automated away by software.\n
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      this would fix a lot of the issues that people in America have with the medical/insurance system - but it would introduce a lot of the issues that socialized medicine has in countries like Canada or England. might be worth a try anyway, our current system is untenable, unwieldly, and prone to error.
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