GET https://kbin.spritesserver.nl/index.php/u/@crank@beehaw.org/newest/2023-11-20::2023-11-20

Response
200 OK
IP
216.73.216.163
Profiled on
Token
0f8411

Security

Token

There is no security token.

Firewall

main Name
Security enabled
Stateless

Configuration

Key Value
provider security.user.provider.concrete.app_user_provider
context main
entry_point App\Security\KbinAuthenticator
user_checker App\Security\UserChecker
access_denied_handler (none)
access_denied_url (none)
authenticators 
[
  "two_factor"
  "remember_me"
  "App\Security\KbinAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\FacebookAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GoogleAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\GithubAuthenticator"
  "App\Security\KeycloakAuthenticator"
]

Listeners

Listener Duration Response 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ChannelListener {#723
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -httpPort: 80
  -httpsPort: 443
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\ContextListener {#706
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\TokenStorage {#1017 …}
  -sessionKey: "_security_main"
  -logger: Monolog\Logger {#783 …}
  -userProviders: Symfony\Component\DependencyInjection\Argument\RewindableGenerator {#705 …}
  -dispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
  -registered: false
  -trustResolver: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authentication\AuthenticationTrustResolver {#780 …}
  -sessionTrackerEnabler: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage::enableUsageTracking(): void {#703 …}
}
 1.14 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AuthenticatorManagerListener {#584
  -authenticatorManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Authentication\AuthenticatorManager {#595 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Http\Firewall\TwoFactorAccessListener {#582
  -twoFactorFirewallConfig: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\TwoFactor\TwoFactorFirewallConfig {#842 …}
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -twoFactorAccessDecider: Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\TwoFactorAccessDecider {#581 …}
}
 0.07 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\AccessListener {#579
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -accessDecisionManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\TraceableAccessDecisionManager {#937 …}
  -map: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\AccessMap {#722 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none) 
Symfony\Component\Security\Http\Firewall\LogoutListener {#786
  -tokenStorage: Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authentication\Token\Storage\UsageTrackingTokenStorage {#1018 …}
  -options: [
    "csrf_parameter" => "_csrf_token"
    "csrf_token_id" => "logout"
    "logout_path" => "app_logout"
  ]
  -httpUtils: Symfony\Component\Security\Http\HttpUtils {#841 …}
  -csrfTokenManager: Symfony\Component\Security\Csrf\CsrfTokenManager {#1015 …}
  -eventDispatcher: Symfony\Component\EventDispatcher\Debug\TraceableEventDispatcher {#747 …}
}
 0.00 ms (none)

Authenticators

No authenticators have been recorded. Check previous profiles on your authentication endpoint.

Access Decision

affirmative Strategy
# Voter class
1 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\AuthenticatedVoter"
2 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
3 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
4 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\ExpressionVoter"
5 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
6 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
7 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
8 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
9 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
10 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
11 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
12 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
13 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
14 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"

Access decision log

# Result Attributes Object
1 DENIED ROLE_USER 
null
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"Symfony\Component\Security\Core\Authorization\Voter\RoleHierarchyVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
2 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1528
  +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1563 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1883 …}
  +slug: "How-to-keep-all-email-locally-in-a-useful-format"
  +title: "How to keep all email locally in a useful format that can be searched across devices?"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    I have an account on an SMTP server. The server has a storage quota. I’d like the delete stuff from the server but keep it locally in case I need it. Just in case.\n
    \n
    I’d like to be able to access the mail somehow on other computers and hopefully mobile devices on my network so that it can be searched when needed. I’m not sure what the best interface for that would be. A webmail client?\n
    \n
    One option would be to use Thunderbird or another client to download the mail once in a while but disable deleting local messages when they are removed from the server. Would Thunderbird store the messages in a format I can use readily with other applications? Or should I use something else to download the mail?\n
    \n
    What about situations where messages are moved from one folder to another on the server? Would I get a duplicate locally of the message appearing in both locations? Not sure how the storage and metadata actually are.\n
    \n
    Also, is it possible in such a situation to put a message *back* on the server if I realize it was deleted in error?\n
    \n
    Any idea would be welcome. I am a bit stuck.\n
    \n
    I can use the command line comfortably but ideally I’d have a solution that doesn’t rely on the terminal to find find messages and such. I don’t really like terminal mail clients.
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 33
  +favouriteCount: 31
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1700654753 {#2448
    date: 2023-11-22 13:05:53.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1407 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1907 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2381 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2022 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2030 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2031 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1672
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1528 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1563 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1580 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1577 …}
      +body: """
        Oh no!\n
        \n
        This kind of tool needs to be something you can rely on if it’s to be used in the way I am intending. If there is a master copy of the mail (as it sounds like you are working from) it’s not as big a deal as you can always go back to that. But if the application is relied upon to be doing its job, possibly in silence for long stretches, it can’t just combust.\n
        \n
        I am not sure I really like the word “database” in this context. I don’t understand them and I can’t fix them. Am feeling that maildir, where each email is simply a text file, should be the primary storage. If there is another tool that can index or interact with the maildir then that’s handy, but the mail itself should stay in a plain, interoperable filetype. (Unless that is how mailpiler works? I might be mis understanding.)\n
        \n
        I also [see](https://www.mailpiler.org/how-piler-works/) that mailpiler encrypts everything. I do not love that. My hdd is already encrypted. I do not want things further encrypted because it also means I am unlikely to be be able to fix any problems.\n
        \n
        I think this application is too complex for me. I need something that I can easily administer. Hopefully set up and leave it to be for a long time and not have too much to relearn if something needs to be fixed. It is perhaps suitable for a more advanced user/admin.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1700447947 {#1614
        date: 2023-11-20 03:39:07.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@crank@beehaw.org"
        "@tvcvt@lemmy.ml"
        "@zzzzzz@lemmy.ml"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1578 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1571 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1593 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1592 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1555 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1554 …}
      -id: 141789
      -bodyTs: "'/how-piler-works/)':167 'abl':199 'administ':220 'advanc':253 'alreadi':180 'also':163,191 'alway':54 'anoth':126 'applic':62,207 'back':56 'big':48 'combust':81 'complex':210 'context':94 'copi':32 'databas':91 'deal':50 'easili':219 'email':112 'encrypt':170,181,188 'everyth':171 'feel':107 'file':117 'filetyp':150 'fix':104,201,245 'go':55 'handi':139 'hdd':178 'hope':221 'index':130 'intend':26 'interact':132 'interoper':149 'job':70 'kind':4 'leav':225 'like':39,88 'long':75,231 'love':175 'mail':35,142 'maildir':109,135 'mailpil':155,169 'master':31 'mean':192 'might':158 'mis':160 'much':237 'need':7,214,242 'oh':1 'perhap':248 'plain':148 'possibl':71 'primari':121 'problem':203 'realli':87 'relearn':239 'reli':13,64 'see':164 'set':222 'silenc':73 'simpli':114 'someth':10,215,241 'sound':38 'stay':145 'storag':122 'stretch':76 'suitabl':249 'sure':85 'text':116 'thing':186 'think':205 'time':232 'tool':6,127 'understand':98,161 'unless':151 'unlik':195 'upon':65 'use':20 'user/admin':254 'want':185 'way':23 'word':90 'work':42,156 'www.mailpiler.org':166 'www.mailpiler.org/how-piler-works/)':165"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://beehaw.org/comment/1689919"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1700447947 {#1744
        date: 2023-11-20 03:39:07.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 141789
    }
  ]
  -id: 14004
  -titleTs: "'across':15 'devic':16 'email':5 'format':10 'keep':3 'local':6 'search':14 'use':9"
  -bodyTs: "'abl':41 'access':43 'account':4 'actual':170 'also':172 'anoth':88,146 'appear':159 'applic':124 'back':184 'best':71 'bit':204 'case':29,35 'client':79,89,240 'comfort':212 'command':210 'comput':49 'd':16,37,216 'delet':19,100,193 'devic':53 'disabl':99 'doesn':221 'download':91,132 'duplic':154 'els':130 'error':195 'find':228,229 'folder':144 'format':117 'get':152 'hope':51 'idea':197 'ideal':214 'interfac':72 'keep':25 'like':17,38,237 'line':211 'local':27,101,155 'locat':162 'm':66 'mail':45,93,134,239 'messag':102,114,139,158,183,230 'metadata':169 'mobil':52 'move':141 'need':31,64 'network':56 'one':80,143 'option':81 'possibl':175 'put':181 'quota':14 'readili':121 'realiz':190 'realli':236 'reli':223 'remov':106 'search':62 'server':8,10,23,109,149,187 'situat':137,179 'smtp':7 'solut':219 'somehow':46 'someth':129 'storag':13,167 'store':112 'stuck':205 'stuff':20 'sure':68,164 'termin':226,238 'thunderbird':86,111 'use':85,120,128,208 'webmail':78 'welcom':200 'would':75,82,110,150,198"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1700352061
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://beehaw.org/post/9647306"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1700265661 {#1676
    date: 2023-11-18 01:01:01.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
3 DENIED edit 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1528
  +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1563 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1883 …}
  +slug: "How-to-keep-all-email-locally-in-a-useful-format"
  +title: "How to keep all email locally in a useful format that can be searched across devices?"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    I have an account on an SMTP server. The server has a storage quota. I’d like the delete stuff from the server but keep it locally in case I need it. Just in case.\n
    \n
    I’d like to be able to access the mail somehow on other computers and hopefully mobile devices on my network so that it can be searched when needed. I’m not sure what the best interface for that would be. A webmail client?\n
    \n
    One option would be to use Thunderbird or another client to download the mail once in a while but disable deleting local messages when they are removed from the server. Would Thunderbird store the messages in a format I can use readily with other applications? Or should I use something else to download the mail?\n
    \n
    What about situations where messages are moved from one folder to another on the server? Would I get a duplicate locally of the message appearing in both locations? Not sure how the storage and metadata actually are.\n
    \n
    Also, is it possible in such a situation to put a message *back* on the server if I realize it was deleted in error?\n
    \n
    Any idea would be welcome. I am a bit stuck.\n
    \n
    I can use the command line comfortably but ideally I’d have a solution that doesn’t rely on the terminal to find find messages and such. I don’t really like terminal mail clients.
    """
  +type: "article"
  +lang: "en"
  +isOc: false
  +hasEmbed: false
  +commentCount: 33
  +favouriteCount: 31
  +score: 0
  +isAdult: false
  +sticky: false
  +lastActive: DateTime @1700654753 {#2448
    date: 2023-11-22 13:05:53.0 +01:00
  }
  +ip: null
  +adaAmount: 0
  +tags: null
  +mentions: null
  +comments: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1407 …}
  +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1907 …}
  +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2381 …}
  +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2022 …}
  +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2030 …}
  +badges: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#2031 …}
  +children: [
    App\Entity\EntryComment {#1672
      +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
      +entry: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1528 …2}
      +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1563 …}
      +image: null
      +parent: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1580 …}
      +root: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\EntryComment {#1577 …}
      +body: """
        Oh no!\n
        \n
        This kind of tool needs to be something you can rely on if it’s to be used in the way I am intending. If there is a master copy of the mail (as it sounds like you are working from) it’s not as big a deal as you can always go back to that. But if the application is relied upon to be doing its job, possibly in silence for long stretches, it can’t just combust.\n
        \n
        I am not sure I really like the word “database” in this context. I don’t understand them and I can’t fix them. Am feeling that maildir, where each email is simply a text file, should be the primary storage. If there is another tool that can index or interact with the maildir then that’s handy, but the mail itself should stay in a plain, interoperable filetype. (Unless that is how mailpiler works? I might be mis understanding.)\n
        \n
        I also [see](https://www.mailpiler.org/how-piler-works/) that mailpiler encrypts everything. I do not love that. My hdd is already encrypted. I do not want things further encrypted because it also means I am unlikely to be be able to fix any problems.\n
        \n
        I think this application is too complex for me. I need something that I can easily administer. Hopefully set up and leave it to be for a long time and not have too much to relearn if something needs to be fixed. It is perhaps suitable for a more advanced user/admin.
        """
      +lang: "en"
      +isAdult: false
      +favouriteCount: 0
      +score: 0
      +lastActive: DateTime @1700447947 {#1614
        date: 2023-11-20 03:39:07.0 +01:00
      }
      +ip: null
      +tags: null
      +mentions: [
        "@crank@beehaw.org"
        "@tvcvt@lemmy.ml"
        "@zzzzzz@lemmy.ml"
      ]
      +children: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1578 …}
      +nested: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1571 …}
      +votes: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1593 …}
      +reports: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1592 …}
      +favourites: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1555 …}
      +notifications: Doctrine\ORM\PersistentCollection {#1554 …}
      -id: 141789
      -bodyTs: "'/how-piler-works/)':167 'abl':199 'administ':220 'advanc':253 'alreadi':180 'also':163,191 'alway':54 'anoth':126 'applic':62,207 'back':56 'big':48 'combust':81 'complex':210 'context':94 'copi':32 'databas':91 'deal':50 'easili':219 'email':112 'encrypt':170,181,188 'everyth':171 'feel':107 'file':117 'filetyp':150 'fix':104,201,245 'go':55 'handi':139 'hdd':178 'hope':221 'index':130 'intend':26 'interact':132 'interoper':149 'job':70 'kind':4 'leav':225 'like':39,88 'long':75,231 'love':175 'mail':35,142 'maildir':109,135 'mailpil':155,169 'master':31 'mean':192 'might':158 'mis':160 'much':237 'need':7,214,242 'oh':1 'perhap':248 'plain':148 'possibl':71 'primari':121 'problem':203 'realli':87 'relearn':239 'reli':13,64 'see':164 'set':222 'silenc':73 'simpli':114 'someth':10,215,241 'sound':38 'stay':145 'storag':122 'stretch':76 'suitabl':249 'sure':85 'text':116 'thing':186 'think':205 'time':232 'tool':6,127 'understand':98,161 'unless':151 'unlik':195 'upon':65 'use':20 'user/admin':254 'want':185 'way':23 'word':90 'work':42,156 'www.mailpiler.org':166 'www.mailpiler.org/how-piler-works/)':165"
      +ranking: 0
      +commentCount: 0
      +upVotes: 0
      +downVotes: 0
      +visibility: "visible             "
      +apId: "https://beehaw.org/comment/1689919"
      +editedAt: null
      +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1700447947 {#1744
        date: 2023-11-20 03:39:07.0 +01:00
      }
      +"title": 141789
    }
  ]
  -id: 14004
  -titleTs: "'across':15 'devic':16 'email':5 'format':10 'keep':3 'local':6 'search':14 'use':9"
  -bodyTs: "'abl':41 'access':43 'account':4 'actual':170 'also':172 'anoth':88,146 'appear':159 'applic':124 'back':184 'best':71 'bit':204 'case':29,35 'client':79,89,240 'comfort':212 'command':210 'comput':49 'd':16,37,216 'delet':19,100,193 'devic':53 'disabl':99 'doesn':221 'download':91,132 'duplic':154 'els':130 'error':195 'find':228,229 'folder':144 'format':117 'get':152 'hope':51 'idea':197 'ideal':214 'interfac':72 'keep':25 'like':17,38,237 'line':211 'local':27,101,155 'locat':162 'm':66 'mail':45,93,134,239 'messag':102,114,139,158,183,230 'metadata':169 'mobil':52 'move':141 'need':31,64 'network':56 'one':80,143 'option':81 'possibl':175 'put':181 'quota':14 'readili':121 'realiz':190 'realli':236 'reli':223 'remov':106 'search':62 'server':8,10,23,109,149,187 'situat':137,179 'smtp':7 'solut':219 'somehow':46 'someth':129 'storag':13,167 'store':112 'stuck':205 'stuff':20 'sure':68,164 'termin':226,238 'thunderbird':86,111 'use':85,120,128,208 'webmail':78 'welcom':200 'would':75,82,110,150,198"
  +cross: false
  +upVotes: 0
  +downVotes: 0
  +ranking: 1700352061
  +visibility: "visible             "
  +apId: "https://beehaw.org/post/9647306"
  +editedAt: null
  +createdAt: DateTimeImmutable @1700265661 {#1676
    date: 2023-11-18 01:01:01.0 +01:00
  }
  +__isInitialized__: true
   …2
}
 
"Scheb\TwoFactorBundle\Security\Authorization\Voter\TwoFactorInProgressVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\EntryVoter"
 ACCESS DENIED 
"App\Security\Voter\MagazineVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageThreadVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\MessageVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\NotificationVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\OAuth2UserConsentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostCommentVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\PostVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN 
"App\Security\Voter\UserVoter"
 ACCESS ABSTAIN
Show voter details
4 DENIED moderate 
Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Entry {#1528
  +user: App\Entity\User {#261 …}
  +magazine: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Magazine {#1563 …}
  +image: null
  +domain: Proxies\__CG__\App\Entity\Domain {#1883 …}
  +slug: "How-to-keep-all-email-locally-in-a-useful-format"
  +title: "How to keep all email locally in a useful format that can be searched across devices?"
  +url: null
  +body: """
    I have an account on an SMTP server. The server has a storage quota. I’d like the delete stuff from the server but keep it locally in case I need it. Just in case.\n
    \n
    I’d like to be able to access the mail somehow on other computers and hopefully mobile devices on my network so that it can be searched when needed. I’m not sure what the best interface for that would be. A webmail client?\n
    \n
    One option would be to use Thunderbird or another client to download the mail once in a while but disable deleting local messages when they are removed from the server. Would Thunderbird store the messages in a format I can use readily with other applications? Or should I use something else to download the mail?\n
    \n
    What about situations where messages are moved from one folder to another on the server? Would I get a duplicate locally of the message appearing in both locations? Not sure how the storage and metadata actually are.\n
    \n
    Also, is it possible in such a situation to put a message *back* on the server if I realize it was deleted in error?\n
    \n
    Any idea would be welcome. I am a bit stuck.\n
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      I have an account on an SMTP server. The server has a storage quota. I’d like the delete stuff from the server but keep it locally in case I need it. Just in case.\n
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      I’d like to be able to access the mail somehow on other computers and hopefully mobile devices on my network so that it can be searched when needed. I’m not sure what the best interface for that would be. A webmail client?\n
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      One option would be to use Thunderbird or another client to download the mail once in a while but disable deleting local messages when they are removed from the server. Would Thunderbird store the messages in a format I can use readily with other applications? Or should I use something else to download the mail?\n
      \n
      What about situations where messages are moved from one folder to another on the server? Would I get a duplicate locally of the message appearing in both locations? Not sure how the storage and metadata actually are.\n
      \n
      Also, is it possible in such a situation to put a message *back* on the server if I realize it was deleted in error?\n
      \n
      Any idea would be welcome. I am a bit stuck.\n
      \n
      I can use the command line comfortably but ideally I’d have a solution that doesn’t rely on the terminal to find find messages and such. I don’t really like terminal mail clients.
      """
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  +body: """
    Oh no!\n
    \n
    This kind of tool needs to be something you can rely on if it’s to be used in the way I am intending. If there is a master copy of the mail (as it sounds like you are working from) it’s not as big a deal as you can always go back to that. But if the application is relied upon to be doing its job, possibly in silence for long stretches, it can’t just combust.\n
    \n
    I am not sure I really like the word “database” in this context. I don’t understand them and I can’t fix them. Am feeling that maildir, where each email is simply a text file, should be the primary storage. If there is another tool that can index or interact with the maildir then that’s handy, but the mail itself should stay in a plain, interoperable filetype. (Unless that is how mailpiler works? I might be mis understanding.)\n
    \n
    I also [see](https://www.mailpiler.org/how-piler-works/) that mailpiler encrypts everything. I do not love that. My hdd is already encrypted. I do not want things further encrypted because it also means I am unlikely to be be able to fix any problems.\n
    \n
    I think this application is too complex for me. I need something that I can easily administer. Hopefully set up and leave it to be for a long time and not have too much to relearn if something needs to be fixed. It is perhaps suitable for a more advanced user/admin.
    """
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